I think they [Xboxers] are just more vocal, at this point. The PS2'ers are simply too tired from rehashing the same "vs." discussion over and over again. There's really nothing left for them to prove, justify, or evangelize at this point [the PS2'ers]. It is the dominant platform, and they are simply content to enjoy the bounty of games that have become available before them.
I think they [Xboxers] are just more vocal, at this point. The PS2'ers are simply too tired from rehashing the same "vs." discussion over and over again. There's really nothing left for them to prove, justify, or evangelize at this point [the PS2'ers]. It is the dominant platform, ...
I think you hit the nail right in the head.
I think it's often astonishing how little machine power has to do with the look of the finished game, and how important the graphicians and animators are. I think GameCube's average graphic quality is better than the rival consoles' even if it has less power.
PS2 gamecube is dying. they lowered prices to 99 dollars, and had to stop production for a while because the 3000 they made didn't sell... xbox, microsoft .
Last reason? I gotz no monies after I bought this powerbook and all
That's true, but when Nintendo dropped the price to $99 sales soared beating both the PS2 and the Xbox. So Nintendo is gaining lots of ground nowadays, and the Nintendo excluses (Animal Crossing, F-zero gx, zelda, metroid prime (!!), viewitful joe) are easily the best console exclusives out there (now that the GTA games are crossplatform.)
If I would only buy one console today, I'd go for the PS2. There are so few really good XBox or GC games on the horizon, while the PS2 seems to get all the important ones, in addition to the exclusives. The controller is also superior (important!)
The XBox only sells reasonably well in US - in Japan it got no support at all, and the GC outsell it in Europe
Now get a PS2 with:
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (best on ps2)
SSX 3 (best on ps2 by far)
Soul Calibur 2 (really best on GC, but sheesh)
Rez (this is a spectacular little gem!)
GT3
GTA: vice city
..and you should be set
The new XBox controller is definetly better than the PS2 controller, although the GC controller is by far, the best one.
Prince of Persia is definetly far better on the XBox. Graphics are smoother and sharper. Gamespot agrees with me on this, they say, "The environments and soft ambient lighting effects used throughout the game are also fantastic-looking, especially on the Xbox, where the colors are richer, the frame rate is smoother, and the resolution is sharper than on the PlayStation 2 or GameCube versions. These versions of the game control equally as well as the Xbox version and look superb in their own rights, but the Xbox version of the game is hands down better. "
SSX3 is a little better on the PS2. But not nearly as much as Persia is on the xbox.
Soul Caliber does rock on the GC.
GTA3/VC are also better on the xbox
Oh, and let's not forget the killer Xbox exclusive (no, not Halo!), Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the BioWare Star Wars RPG that many are calling the game of the year. The plot is amazing, and it's probably been the best thing to happen to the star wars franchise in many years (including the two awful movies.)
I own all three consoles though, and I have to admit, the one I play most often (and the games I stick with the longest) have consistently been Gamecube games. Metroid Prime is probably the best console game I've played in years, and alone worth the price of the GC.
I think they [Xboxers] are just more vocal, at this point. The PS2'ers are simply too tired from rehashing the same "vs." discussion over and over again. There's really nothing left for them to prove, justify, or evangelize at this point [the PS2'ers]. It is the dominant platform, and they are simply content to enjoy the bounty of games that have become available before them.
Well, two reasons why the PS2 is outselling the XBox.
First, it was out a year earlier, and one year's worth of sales makes a considerable difference in therms of consoles sold and marketplace momentum.
Second, it is the easy choice for serious gamers buying a console who have had one before. I wasn't console gamer until I bought my XBox, and I was willing to take a more objective look at things. I didn't have a large library of PS1 games that I wanted to play. I have a 55 inch TV HDTV and I want a console that can use the extra space.
Interestingly, XBox is beating Nintendo in the US. XBox is doing rather well for a first release and will be profitable once Halo 2 comes out (because it will sell millions of copies and all that money goes straight to MS).
That's true, but when Nintendo dropped the price to $99 sales soared beating both the PS2 and the Xbox. So Nintendo is gaining lots of ground nowadays, and the Nintendo excluses (Animal Crossing, F-zero gx, zelda, metroid prime (!!), viewitful joe) are easily the best console exclusives out there (now that the GTA games are crossplatform.)
Nintendo's problem (unlike Sony and MS) is that they don't have other resources to fall back on. Sure they can slash their prices, but they need the money that they would have gotten from the higher prices.
Nintendo is the player who is most hurting right now, hence why they have been talking up the next gamecube design so much.
Nintendo's problem (unlike Sony and MS) is that they don't have other resources to fall back on. Sure they can slash their prices, but they need the money that they would have gotten from the higher prices.
Nintendo is the player who is most hurting right now, hence why they have been talking up the next gamecube design so much.
But that's Nintendo's strong suit too... they don't make "Uber-Television-DVD-Music-Game-Ultra-Convergence-Devices," like Sony and Microsoft are trying to make. They just make great consoles focused on one thing... games.
Nintendo's problem (unlike Sony and MS) is that they don't have other resources to fall back on. Sure they can slash their prices, but they need the money that they would have gotten from the higher prices.
Nintendo is the player who is most hurting right now, hence why they have been talking up the next gamecube design so much.
Huh???
Perhaps you should spend a little more time researching Nintendo's finances and hardware/manufacturing costs before making such claims.
Nintendo has been the quietest of all regarding their next console. I'm not sure where you got that impression.
Interestingly, XBox is beating Nintendo in the US. XBox is doing rather well for a first release and will be profitable once Halo 2 comes out (because it will sell millions of copies and all that money goes straight to MS).
The XBox project will never be profitable. Ever. End of story.
No one knows the exact amount of money Microsoft has lost on the project, but Halo 2 sure as hell isn't going to bring the project into the black. Not even close.
The XBox project will never be profitable. Ever. End of story.
No one knows the exact amount of money Microsoft has lost on the project, but Halo 2 sure as hell isn't going to bring the project into the black. Not even close.
Tuttle is right, it's common knowledge that the gamecube is by far the cheapest console to produce, and Nintendo is very very stingy about margins. I'm sure that they are still making money off of every console sold.
The XBox, on the otherhand, has been a HUGE money loser for Microsoft. If you look at their financial statements from last year, MS is having troubles with the xbox. Costs are down in producing them "due to fewer Xbox console units." It's common knowledge that MS always sold the Xbox for a loss, as a loss leader (and the $199 price drop to meet the PS2 further hurts microsoft...)
Tuttle is right, it's common knowledge that the gamecube is by far the cheapest console to produce, and Nintendo is very very stingy about margins. I'm sure that they are still making money off of every console sold.
The XBox, on the otherhand, has been a HUGE money loser for Microsoft. If you look at their financial statements from last year, MS is having troubles with the xbox. Costs are down in producing them "due to fewer Xbox console units." It's common knowledge that MS always sold the Xbox for a loss, as a loss leader (and the $199 price drop to meet the PS2 further hurts microsoft...)
I think you underestimate the will of BIll Gates wanting to run the world. He can afford to sell these things for a loss, and as soon as he gets them in everybody's home he'll start churning out kick ass games only for Xbox. Example: Halo, Halo2. These games are good enough that the average gamer will choose an Xbox over a PS2. Xbox gets almost every game PS2 and others get so that's not a problem, and the one thing I love about the Xbox is the eternal harddrive so you don't have to buy damned memory cards.
I think you underestimate the will of BIll Gates wanting to run the world. He can afford to sell these things for a loss
With all due respect, Microsoft is not a hardware manufacturer. Neither are the spectacular at marketing in any sense of the word. The Xbox was just another bad decision made at the height of the .com boom. Yes, Microsoft has room to throw money at this .... but not 400 + million year on year on year.
Despite popular belief, Microsoft does not own that 50 billion they have sitting in the bank - the share holders do, and it's only a matter of time before they decide enough is enough.
I think you underestimate the will of BIll Gates wanting to run the world. He can afford to sell these things for a loss, and as soon as he gets them in everybody's home he'll start churning out kick ass games only for Xbox.
I don't understand where these bizarre statements keep coming from. What Bill Gates wants is of no relevance to the console world. Unless there is some way he can leverage his desktop monopoly to ram his product down console consumer's throats that the folks at MS haven't tried yet he will continue to have a failed product on his hands.
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Example: Halo, Halo2. These games are good enough that the average gamer will choose an Xbox over a PS2. Xbox gets almost every game PS2 and others get so that's not a problem, and the one thing I love about the Xbox is the eternal harddrive so you don't have to buy damned memory cards.
That's one way of characterizing the situation. However an accurate characterizations would be that Halo isn't good enough for console gamers to buy a XBox. There are around 60 million PS2s worldwide and around nine to ten million XBoxes. Looks like 60 million console gamers don't agree with you. Even among windows gamers, Halo is considered a mediocre shooter.
That's one way of characterizing the situation. However an accurate characterizations would be that Halo isn't good enough for console gamers to buy a XBox. There are around 60 million PS2s worldwide and around nine to ten million XBoxes. Looks like 60 million console gamers don't agree with you. Even among windows gamers, Halo is considered a mediocre shooter.
I think you misunderstood, or else I stated it poorly. What I mean is if everybody can get all the same games on Xbox as on PS2 and then Microsoft continues to get games like Halo specifically for Xbox I think people will choose an Xbox over PS2 granted I base that on only pure speculation.
I think you misunderstood, or else I stated it poorly. What I mean is if everybody can get all the same games on Xbox as on PS2 and then Microsoft continues to get games like Halo specifically for Xbox I think people will choose an Xbox over PS2 granted I base that on only pure speculation.
But there are more exclusive games for the PS2 than there are for the Xbox. So with that theory, more people will buy a PS2 than an Xbox.
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Originally posted by Matsu
IF you live in Toronto, PS/PS2 is the only way to go. Excellent software support from the Chinese community.
U mean copied games? LOL
Originally posted by Randycat99
I think they [Xboxers] are just more vocal, at this point. The PS2'ers are simply too tired from rehashing the same "vs." discussion over and over again. There's really nothing left for them to prove, justify, or evangelize at this point [the PS2'ers]. It is the dominant platform, ...
I think you hit the nail right in the head.
I think it's often astonishing how little machine power has to do with the look of the finished game, and how important the graphicians and animators are. I think GameCube's average graphic quality is better than the rival consoles' even if it has less power.
Man, I owned 1 game for months and months... now within a week I have 5. Sweet.
Nothing like pulling a cop out of his car, mashing him with a bat 40 times, and using his patrol car to mow down a sidewalk full of hookers.
Originally posted by murbot
I got Grand Theft Auto III/Vice City pack last night. It ROCKS.
Man, I owned 1 game for months and months... now within a week I have 5. Sweet.
Nothing like pulling a cop out of his car, mashing him with a bat 40 times, and using his patrol car to mow down a sidewalk full of hookers.
just like home, eh?
Originally posted by Ichiban_jay
PS2
Last reason? I gotz no monies
That's true, but when Nintendo dropped the price to $99 sales soared beating both the PS2 and the Xbox. So Nintendo is gaining lots of ground nowadays, and the Nintendo excluses (Animal Crossing, F-zero gx, zelda, metroid prime (!!), viewitful joe) are easily the best console exclusives out there (now that the GTA games are crossplatform.)
Originally posted by Sopphode
If I would only buy one console today, I'd go for the PS2. There are so few really good XBox or GC games on the horizon, while the PS2 seems to get all the important ones, in addition to the exclusives. The controller is also superior (important!)
The XBox only sells reasonably well in US - in Japan it got no support at all, and the GC outsell it in Europe
Now get a PS2 with:
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (best on ps2)
SSX 3 (best on ps2 by far)
Soul Calibur 2 (really best on GC, but sheesh
Rez (this is a spectacular little gem!)
GT3
GTA: vice city
..and you should be set
The new XBox controller is definetly better than the PS2 controller, although the GC controller is by far, the best one.
Prince of Persia is definetly far better on the XBox. Graphics are smoother and sharper. Gamespot agrees with me on this, they say, "The environments and soft ambient lighting effects used throughout the game are also fantastic-looking, especially on the Xbox, where the colors are richer, the frame rate is smoother, and the resolution is sharper than on the PlayStation 2 or GameCube versions. These versions of the game control equally as well as the Xbox version and look superb in their own rights, but the Xbox version of the game is hands down better. "
SSX3 is a little better on the PS2. But not nearly as much as Persia is on the xbox.
Soul Caliber does rock on the GC.
GTA3/VC are also better on the xbox
Oh, and let's not forget the killer Xbox exclusive (no, not Halo!), Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, the BioWare Star Wars RPG that many are calling the game of the year. The plot is amazing, and it's probably been the best thing to happen to the star wars franchise in many years (including the two awful movies.)
I own all three consoles though, and I have to admit, the one I play most often (and the games I stick with the longest) have consistently been Gamecube games. Metroid Prime is probably the best console game I've played in years, and alone worth the price of the GC.
Originally posted by Randycat99
I think they [Xboxers] are just more vocal, at this point. The PS2'ers are simply too tired from rehashing the same "vs." discussion over and over again. There's really nothing left for them to prove, justify, or evangelize at this point [the PS2'ers]. It is the dominant platform, and they are simply content to enjoy the bounty of games that have become available before them.
Well, two reasons why the PS2 is outselling the XBox.
First, it was out a year earlier, and one year's worth of sales makes a considerable difference in therms of consoles sold and marketplace momentum.
Second, it is the easy choice for serious gamers buying a console who have had one before. I wasn't console gamer until I bought my XBox, and I was willing to take a more objective look at things. I didn't have a large library of PS1 games that I wanted to play. I have a 55 inch TV HDTV and I want a console that can use the extra space.
Interestingly, XBox is beating Nintendo in the US. XBox is doing rather well for a first release and will be profitable once Halo 2 comes out (because it will sell millions of copies and all that money goes straight to MS).
Originally posted by The Former Lurker
That's true, but when Nintendo dropped the price to $99 sales soared beating both the PS2 and the Xbox. So Nintendo is gaining lots of ground nowadays, and the Nintendo excluses (Animal Crossing, F-zero gx, zelda, metroid prime (!!), viewitful joe) are easily the best console exclusives out there (now that the GTA games are crossplatform.)
Nintendo's problem (unlike Sony and MS) is that they don't have other resources to fall back on. Sure they can slash their prices, but they need the money that they would have gotten from the higher prices.
Nintendo is the player who is most hurting right now, hence why they have been talking up the next gamecube design so much.
Originally posted by Yevgeny
Nintendo's problem (unlike Sony and MS) is that they don't have other resources to fall back on. Sure they can slash their prices, but they need the money that they would have gotten from the higher prices.
Nintendo is the player who is most hurting right now, hence why they have been talking up the next gamecube design so much.
But that's Nintendo's strong suit too... they don't make "Uber-Television-DVD-Music-Game-Ultra-Convergence-Devices," like Sony and Microsoft are trying to make. They just make great consoles focused on one thing... games.
Originally posted by Yevgeny
Nintendo's problem (unlike Sony and MS) is that they don't have other resources to fall back on. Sure they can slash their prices, but they need the money that they would have gotten from the higher prices.
Nintendo is the player who is most hurting right now, hence why they have been talking up the next gamecube design so much.
Huh???
Perhaps you should spend a little more time researching Nintendo's finances and hardware/manufacturing costs before making such claims.
Nintendo has been the quietest of all regarding their next console. I'm not sure where you got that impression.
Originally posted by Yevgeny
Interestingly, XBox is beating Nintendo in the US. XBox is doing rather well for a first release and will be profitable once Halo 2 comes out (because it will sell millions of copies and all that money goes straight to MS).
The XBox project will never be profitable. Ever. End of story.
No one knows the exact amount of money Microsoft has lost on the project, but Halo 2 sure as hell isn't going to bring the project into the black. Not even close.
Originally posted by Tuttle
The XBox project will never be profitable. Ever. End of story.
No one knows the exact amount of money Microsoft has lost on the project, but Halo 2 sure as hell isn't going to bring the project into the black. Not even close.
Tuttle is right, it's common knowledge that the gamecube is by far the cheapest console to produce, and Nintendo is very very stingy about margins. I'm sure that they are still making money off of every console sold.
The XBox, on the otherhand, has been a HUGE money loser for Microsoft. If you look at their financial statements from last year, MS is having troubles with the xbox. Costs are down in producing them "due to fewer Xbox console units." It's common knowledge that MS always sold the Xbox for a loss, as a loss leader (and the $199 price drop to meet the PS2 further hurts microsoft...)
Originally posted by The Former Lurker
Tuttle is right, it's common knowledge that the gamecube is by far the cheapest console to produce, and Nintendo is very very stingy about margins. I'm sure that they are still making money off of every console sold.
The XBox, on the otherhand, has been a HUGE money loser for Microsoft. If you look at their financial statements from last year, MS is having troubles with the xbox. Costs are down in producing them "due to fewer Xbox console units." It's common knowledge that MS always sold the Xbox for a loss, as a loss leader (and the $199 price drop to meet the PS2 further hurts microsoft...)
I think you underestimate the will of BIll Gates wanting to run the world. He can afford to sell these things for a loss, and as soon as he gets them in everybody's home he'll start churning out kick ass games only for Xbox. Example: Halo, Halo2. These games are good enough that the average gamer will choose an Xbox over a PS2. Xbox gets almost every game PS2 and others get so that's not a problem, and the one thing I love about the Xbox is the eternal harddrive so you don't have to buy damned memory cards.
xbox is a 1 to 2 person console. playstation too.
the GC is designed (via their games) to be a lot of fun for groups of players. solo gaming just isn't all that interesting to me anymore.
although if i had to pick between an Xbox and Playstation, i'd go with a playstation.
FF7 after all.
Originally posted by Argento
I think you underestimate the will of BIll Gates wanting to run the world. He can afford to sell these things for a loss
With all due respect, Microsoft is not a hardware manufacturer. Neither are the spectacular at marketing in any sense of the word. The Xbox was just another bad decision made at the height of the .com boom. Yes, Microsoft has room to throw money at this .... but not 400 + million year on year on year.
Despite popular belief, Microsoft does not own that 50 billion they have sitting in the bank - the share holders do, and it's only a matter of time before they decide enough is enough.
Originally posted by Argento
I think you underestimate the will of BIll Gates wanting to run the world. He can afford to sell these things for a loss, and as soon as he gets them in everybody's home he'll start churning out kick ass games only for Xbox.
I don't understand where these bizarre statements keep coming from. What Bill Gates wants is of no relevance to the console world. Unless there is some way he can leverage his desktop monopoly to ram his product down console consumer's throats that the folks at MS haven't tried yet he will continue to have a failed product on his hands.
Example: Halo, Halo2. These games are good enough that the average gamer will choose an Xbox over a PS2. Xbox gets almost every game PS2 and others get so that's not a problem, and the one thing I love about the Xbox is the eternal harddrive so you don't have to buy damned memory cards.
That's one way of characterizing the situation. However an accurate characterizations would be that Halo isn't good enough for console gamers to buy a XBox. There are around 60 million PS2s worldwide and around nine to ten million XBoxes. Looks like 60 million console gamers don't agree with you. Even among windows gamers, Halo is considered a mediocre shooter.
Originally posted by Tuttle
That's one way of characterizing the situation. However an accurate characterizations would be that Halo isn't good enough for console gamers to buy a XBox. There are around 60 million PS2s worldwide and around nine to ten million XBoxes. Looks like 60 million console gamers don't agree with you. Even among windows gamers, Halo is considered a mediocre shooter.
I think you misunderstood, or else I stated it poorly. What I mean is if everybody can get all the same games on Xbox as on PS2 and then Microsoft continues to get games like Halo specifically for Xbox I think people will choose an Xbox over PS2 granted I base that on only pure speculation.
Originally posted by Argento
I think you misunderstood, or else I stated it poorly. What I mean is if everybody can get all the same games on Xbox as on PS2 and then Microsoft continues to get games like Halo specifically for Xbox I think people will choose an Xbox over PS2 granted I base that on only pure speculation.
But there are more exclusive games for the PS2 than there are for the Xbox. So with that theory, more people will buy a PS2 than an Xbox.