1) It wasn't confirmed that Jobs was actually delivering the keynote until later than usual. Maybe they weren't sure the only product they have to announce (the miniPods) would be ready.
Really? I don't recall hearing anything about Steve Jobs confirming late. But perhaps it was just because it was thought to be a given?
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2) There is no obvious QuickTime stream in place yet.
Someone posted a bit above that there was a link posted for a period of time in Dec, but it has just recently gone missing. I am sure it will resurface.
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3) There is no big MacWorld promotion at www.apple.com, no "you ain't seen nothin' yet", "9 days and counting" hype.
Apple did this once, and only once (before the intro of the new iMac). It hadn't been done before or since. This is not an indication of anything really, as I think that the whole thing backfired (caused overhype).
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4) Apart from miniPods, the rumors of "new" products amount to software updates only. The rumor sites may be quiet NOT because Apple is good at keeping a secret, but there are no secrets to keep.
The rumor sites always miss the big things. I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube, or Aqua, or the G5 (date of introduction), or the new iMac. They can get the little things pretty good however. Not that I am saying there will be something big, but i wouldn't be surprised if something gets announced/released that none of the rumor sites sees coming. Apple IS good at keeping secrets on certain KEY products.
Of course hardware is more sexy, but could this be the time we see an Apple branded "Office" suite of apps?
I bet when they DO release it, it will use AppleWorks to wipe it's metaphorical butt. It will use some great Cocoa built-in stuff, which is already great. They just need to incorporate Sketch and TextEdit with some Spreadsheetin'.
i DO remember reading a post on appleinsider? about in the spring of the year before the ipod was introduced about someone overhearing some apple employees talking about something called an "ipod pavillion" and i remember the poster said they stopped talking when they noticed the listener. i wondered then what "ipod pavillion" could stand for, now we know.
however steve has clamped down on rumors. it used to be that in the weeks before a mac event we'd have at least blurry photos of new products. remember the pic of the mdd powermac? or the first photo of the "see-through" case of the imac special edition? the "workerbee" mouse?
now nothing...
steve must have these people locked in a room until the stevenote! lol
I agree with you on the first part, but I dont think Apple has set the date for the WWDC after a possible introduction of the 3 ghz powermac. This is because it's probably very (?) difficult the predict the date a hardware product will be ready for introduction, and they are always dependent on how well their suppliers (read IBM) has products ready for them. It's possible Apple has got words or promises from IBM for when the can expect the 3 ghz chips to arrive, but there is always time needed for ironing out bugs, doint test runs and so on, and the 3 ghz powermac is not so big a deal after all. The first G5 was a milestone, the introduction of the 3 ghz G5 will just be a minor update compared to this. And june is probably a bit early for it to arrive too. Not any sooner than August I predict, along with the introduction of a fully 64 bit native OSX 10.4
I don't expect a 3GHz machine in June either. I DO expect a 3GHz machine to be announced at WWDC. Remember, this is Steve we're talking about. He promised 3GHz within a year and, by God, he's going to announce 3GHz within a year. When it will ship is anybody's guess, but I think early September might be about right.
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.
10,000 songs means a 40GB storage device. If so, it can't be flash based. If it's the new 1-inch hard drives then $249 seems too cheap.
I don't expect a 3GHz machine in June either. I DO expect a 3GHz machine to be announced at WWDC. Remember, this is Steve we're talking about. He promised 3GHz within a year and, by God, he's going to announce 3GHz within a year. When it will ship is anybody's guess, but I think early September might be about right.
I think he'll go beyond 3GHz at WWDC. He should have no problems doing it either.
I don't understand how any rational minded person could possibly think the iMac's form factor will be updated, seeing as how they just released a new model -- the 20". When has Apple ever released a new version of an existing piece of hardware, only to replace it with an entirely new one but a month or two later?
Furthermore, why go to all the work to engineer, market, and distribute a new machine only for a month or two? That isn't how economics work. Manufacturers lose money for the first few months on a product, then after having sold them for quite a while, start making the money back. The "quiet a while" varies depending on the product, of course, but there is no way all the costs involved with creating the 20" could be recouped in the short amount of time it has been out.
Don't get swept up in the Mac fervor by reading these boards too much. Step back, think about the situation, and you'll see that a bunch of people posting on here does not a make for a new Mac.
I see things a bit differrently, with in a month or two we should be able to pick up 3GHz G5's or something very close to 3GHz. WWDC will be where new technology is introduced, a faster 970 is NOT new technology from the perspective of WWDC.
At WWDC we should see the announcement of a Power 5 derived processor with multi threaded capabilities. Part of the announcement will of course be the software support to exploit that capability.
Think about what WWDC has always been about, it is a conference for developers, at this point the G5 is a has been from their perspective. Developers will be the first to be introduced to new technology. Now it would be interesting to see 64 bit OS/X introduced then also. IF that happens then they are farther along than I suspected. In any event expect additions to OS/X to allow multiprogramming and other technologies to exist on the platoform (with Apples ease of use).
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Originally posted by NETROMac
I agree with you on the first part, but I dont think Apple has set the date for the WWDC after a possible introduction of the 3 ghz powermac. This is because it's probably very (?) difficult the predict the date a hardware product will be ready for introduction, and they are always dependent on how well their suppliers (read IBM) has products ready for them. It's possible Apple has got words or promises from IBM for when the can expect the 3 ghz chips to arrive, but there is always time needed for ironing out bugs, doint test runs and so on, and the 3 ghz powermac is not so big a deal after all. The first G5 was a milestone, the introduction of the 3 ghz G5 will just be a minor update compared to this. And june is probably a bit early for it to arrive too. Not any sooner than August I predict, along with the introduction of a fully 64 bit native OSX 10.4
Wow for the first time in... forever I'm not hyped. I have no really interesting technologies to lust after in the next Powermac update, the G5's are here, the iMac probably won't get an update, and I don't see anything really cool like a tablet or Apple PDA coming out. I wish someone would bring back the tablet/PDA rumor, it's sooo much fun researching the different processors (like the G4 or maybe the 440GP) and technologies that could be used. Where is an interesting rumor when ya need one?
, with in a month or two we should be able to pick up 3GHz G5's or something very close to 3GHz.
Like say the 2.6 ghz G5 being introduced tomorrow
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WWDC will be where new technology is introduced, a faster 970 is NOT new technology from the perspective of WWDC.
I have always thought that the WWDC was more of a software event that a hardware event, and Apple can't introduce "new technology" processors before IBM can ship them
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At WWDC we should see the announcement of a Power 5 derived processor with multi threaded capabilities.
A few months too early maybe?
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Part of the announcement will of course be the software support to exploit that capability.
Think about what WWDC has always been about, it is a conference for developers, at this point the G5 is a has been from their perspective.
Not quite. I bet a lot of developers are still working hard on optimizing their current software for the 970, and there are always things to learn at the WWDC that can help them on the way to faster 970 optimized code. And the 970 is a preview of the technology to come in the next 9xx series processor, so saying that it is a "has been" is taking it a little to far I think. Nobody will go crazy about a 3 ghz G5 being introduced at the WWDC, but I bet people will be pleased with the upgrade.
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Developers will be the first to be introduced to new technology.
History has shown that this isn't always true, and I bet that important developers of software and accessories probably have information about and test models in their labs long before the public even knows about it.
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Now it would be interesting to see 64 bit OS/X introduced then also. IF that happens then they are farther along than I suspected.
Farther along than everybody suspects I think.
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In any event expect additions to OS/X to allow multiprogramming and other technologies to exist on the platoform (with Apples ease of use).
Considering 2 gig was comfortably ready half a year ago and IBM is making an announcement about 0.09 in early Jan'? We should expect 2.4 minimum with 2.6 shipping later if need be. That really puts the boot into Intel. PPC breathing right down their neck! I'd like to see them at the show but it could happen in Jan' SOMETIME...
You'd have to be really sure to pre-announce 3 gig in 12 months.
The next PowerMac announcement should tell us abit about how it will play out...
The WWDC seems to be superceding the Summer Macworld in influence.
A 980 multithreading CPU performing at 40% more per clock would send shockwaves through the Wintel crowd. Add that to the new compiler coming round the mountain under cover of stealth.
That would be the kind of bomb shell I'm expecting at WWDC. Apple have the CPU. But they really don't have a compiler to do the PPC justice. Surely it is about time IBM stepped upto bat for the PPC compiler tech' now they are officially pumping out 970/9** processors for the next five years it seems... 1 recompile later and plenty of apps could have an incredible performance boost.
And like one of the posters above, I suspect a 3.2 gig breakthrough by the Summer/WWDC. I'm Intel keeps having their problems...then it's not inconceivable that Apple could draw level with Intel!
I have always thought that the WWDC was more of a software event that a hardware event, and Apple can't introduce "new technology" processors before IBM can ship them
They introduced the G5 months before IBM shipped them in any quantity. For the purposes of revealing a new processor at WWDC, Apple really only needs the specifications (to, say, tell people how to take advantage of CPU threading). If they want a nice bonus, they can scrape up a couple of samples to stuff in a preproduction mule to show the chip off. Samples of the final design are available 6 months before a full-scale rollout.
Any new technology is of interest to WWDC. It's not the World Wide Software Developer's Conference. Developers include people engineering PCI and AGP cards, peripherals, aftermarket components, etc.
I'm not 100% sure of a PowerMac update at MWSF. On the one hand, they've been doing press release updates recently. On the other hand, that's because the updates had been nothing to write home about. Steve has a lot to talk about, and I consider an iMac update more likely - the line needs one more than the PowerMac does, and it needs the publicity boost as well. But since the PMG5 needs no introduction at this point it might not take too long to announce, after running down sales results and reactions, that the line's been boosted to 2.x GHz, available February.
The rumor sites always miss the big things. I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube, or Aqua, or the G5 (date of introduction), or the new iMac.
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.
Don't care about any of that music stuff myself. I suppose it keeps the lights on. But your sig "cill [sic] the wabbit", is this a reference to the classic Wagner opera satire cartoon? I only saw it once, it was terrific!
MacRumors has a strong opinion on what's happening tomorrow at MWSF:
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Less then a day away, and last minute notes...
"GarageBand" will be announced tomorrow.
Xserve updates tomorrow, as well.
This Mini iPod information [link] is still considered reliable.
Related Link: our ealier [sic] MWSF 2004 Rumor Roundup.
Readers are reminded that Garage Band was trademarked by Apple in September 2003 and the newly released 2GB mini drives would fit nicely in a new iPod.
Go to the MacRumors site to see the various links included in the quoted text.
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Originally posted by michaelb
1) It wasn't confirmed that Jobs was actually delivering the keynote until later than usual. Maybe they weren't sure the only product they have to announce (the miniPods) would be ready.
Really? I don't recall hearing anything about Steve Jobs confirming late. But perhaps it was just because it was thought to be a given?
2) There is no obvious QuickTime stream in place yet.
Someone posted a bit above that there was a link posted for a period of time in Dec, but it has just recently gone missing. I am sure it will resurface.
3) There is no big MacWorld promotion at www.apple.com, no "you ain't seen nothin' yet", "9 days and counting" hype.
Apple did this once, and only once (before the intro of the new iMac). It hadn't been done before or since. This is not an indication of anything really, as I think that the whole thing backfired (caused overhype).
4) Apart from miniPods, the rumors of "new" products amount to software updates only. The rumor sites may be quiet NOT because Apple is good at keeping a secret, but there are no secrets to keep.
The rumor sites always miss the big things. I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube, or Aqua, or the G5 (date of introduction), or the new iMac. They can get the little things pretty good however. Not that I am saying there will be something big, but i wouldn't be surprised if something gets announced/released that none of the rumor sites sees coming. Apple IS good at keeping secrets on certain KEY products.
http://stream.apple.akadns.net/
Originally posted by satchmo
Of course hardware is more sexy, but could this be the time we see an Apple branded "Office" suite of apps?
I bet when they DO release it, it will use AppleWorks to wipe it's metaphorical butt. It will use some great Cocoa built-in stuff, which is already great. They just need to incorporate Sketch and TextEdit with some Spreadsheetin'.
however steve has clamped down on rumors. it used to be that in the weeks before a mac event we'd have at least blurry photos of new products. remember the pic of the mdd powermac? or the first photo of the "see-through" case of the imac special edition? the "workerbee" mouse?
now nothing...
steve must have these people locked in a room until the stevenote! lol
Originally posted by NETROMac
I agree with you on the first part, but I dont think Apple has set the date for the WWDC after a possible introduction of the 3 ghz powermac. This is because it's probably very (?) difficult the predict the date a hardware product will be ready for introduction, and they are always dependent on how well their suppliers (read IBM) has products ready for them. It's possible Apple has got words or promises from IBM for when the can expect the 3 ghz chips to arrive, but there is always time needed for ironing out bugs, doint test runs and so on, and the 3 ghz powermac is not so big a deal after all. The first G5 was a milestone, the introduction of the 3 ghz G5 will just be a minor update compared to this. And june is probably a bit early for it to arrive too. Not any sooner than August I predict, along with the introduction of a fully 64 bit native OSX 10.4
I don't expect a 3GHz machine in June either. I DO expect a 3GHz machine to be announced at WWDC. Remember, this is Steve we're talking about. He promised 3GHz within a year and, by God, he's going to announce 3GHz within a year. When it will ship is anybody's guess, but I think early September might be about right.
Originally posted by kupan787
I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube,...
*cough* TABLET *cough*
Originally posted by Elmer Fudd
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Fact.
fiction
Originally posted by Elmer Fudd
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.
10,000 songs means a 40GB storage device. If so, it can't be flash based. If it's the new 1-inch hard drives then $249 seems too cheap.
Don't. Do. Crack.
Screed
Originally posted by gfeier
I don't expect a 3GHz machine in June either. I DO expect a 3GHz machine to be announced at WWDC. Remember, this is Steve we're talking about. He promised 3GHz within a year and, by God, he's going to announce 3GHz within a year. When it will ship is anybody's guess, but I think early September might be about right.
I think he'll go beyond 3GHz at WWDC. He should have no problems doing it either.
Furthermore, why go to all the work to engineer, market, and distribute a new machine only for a month or two? That isn't how economics work. Manufacturers lose money for the first few months on a product, then after having sold them for quite a while, start making the money back. The "quiet a while" varies depending on the product, of course, but there is no way all the costs involved with creating the 20" could be recouped in the short amount of time it has been out.
Don't get swept up in the Mac fervor by reading these boards too much. Step back, think about the situation, and you'll see that a bunch of people posting on here does not a make for a new Mac.
At WWDC we should see the announcement of a Power 5 derived processor with multi threaded capabilities. Part of the announcement will of course be the software support to exploit that capability.
Think about what WWDC has always been about, it is a conference for developers, at this point the G5 is a has been from their perspective. Developers will be the first to be introduced to new technology. Now it would be interesting to see 64 bit OS/X introduced then also. IF that happens then they are farther along than I suspected. In any event expect additions to OS/X to allow multiprogramming and other technologies to exist on the platoform (with Apples ease of use).
Originally posted by NETROMac
I agree with you on the first part, but I dont think Apple has set the date for the WWDC after a possible introduction of the 3 ghz powermac. This is because it's probably very (?) difficult the predict the date a hardware product will be ready for introduction, and they are always dependent on how well their suppliers (read IBM) has products ready for them. It's possible Apple has got words or promises from IBM for when the can expect the 3 ghz chips to arrive, but there is always time needed for ironing out bugs, doint test runs and so on, and the 3 ghz powermac is not so big a deal after all. The first G5 was a milestone, the introduction of the 3 ghz G5 will just be a minor update compared to this. And june is probably a bit early for it to arrive too. Not any sooner than August I predict, along with the introduction of a fully 64 bit native OSX 10.4
Originally posted by wizard69
I see things a bit differrently
, with in a month or two we should be able to pick up 3GHz G5's or something very close to 3GHz.
Like say the 2.6 ghz G5 being introduced tomorrow
WWDC will be where new technology is introduced, a faster 970 is NOT new technology from the perspective of WWDC.
I have always thought that the WWDC was more of a software event that a hardware event, and Apple can't introduce "new technology" processors before IBM can ship them
At WWDC we should see the announcement of a Power 5 derived processor with multi threaded capabilities.
A few months too early maybe?
Part of the announcement will of course be the software support to exploit that capability.
Think about what WWDC has always been about, it is a conference for developers, at this point the G5 is a has been from their perspective.
Not quite. I bet a lot of developers are still working hard on optimizing their current software for the 970, and there are always things to learn at the WWDC that can help them on the way to faster 970 optimized code. And the 970 is a preview of the technology to come in the next 9xx series processor, so saying that it is a "has been" is taking it a little to far I think. Nobody will go crazy about a 3 ghz G5 being introduced at the WWDC, but I bet people will be pleased with the upgrade.
Developers will be the first to be introduced to new technology.
History has shown that this isn't always true, and I bet that important developers of software and accessories probably have information about and test models in their labs long before the public even knows about it.
Now it would be interesting to see 64 bit OS/X introduced then also. IF that happens then they are farther along than I suspected.
Farther along than everybody suspects I think.
In any event expect additions to OS/X to allow multiprogramming and other technologies to exist on the platoform (with Apples ease of use).
huh?
Originally posted by Crusader
Wow for the first time in... forever I'm not hyped.
Could be you will be surprised the most. I am sorta expecting something radically different due to the complete quietness of the rumor-aire.
Considering 2 gig was comfortably ready half a year ago and IBM is making an announcement about 0.09 in early Jan'? We should expect 2.4 minimum with 2.6 shipping later if need be. That really puts the boot into Intel. PPC breathing right down their neck! I'd like to see them at the show but it could happen in Jan' SOMETIME...
You'd have to be really sure to pre-announce 3 gig in 12 months.
The next PowerMac announcement should tell us abit about how it will play out...
The WWDC seems to be superceding the Summer Macworld in influence.
A 980 multithreading CPU performing at 40% more per clock would send shockwaves through the Wintel crowd. Add that to the new compiler coming round the mountain under cover of stealth.
That would be the kind of bomb shell I'm expecting at WWDC. Apple have the CPU. But they really don't have a compiler to do the PPC justice. Surely it is about time IBM stepped upto bat for the PPC compiler tech' now they are officially pumping out 970/9** processors for the next five years it seems... 1 recompile later and plenty of apps could have an incredible performance boost.
And like one of the posters above, I suspect a 3.2 gig breakthrough by the Summer/WWDC. I'm Intel keeps having their problems...then it's not inconceivable that Apple could draw level with Intel!
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by NETROMac
I have always thought that the WWDC was more of a software event that a hardware event, and Apple can't introduce "new technology" processors before IBM can ship them
They introduced the G5 months before IBM shipped them in any quantity. For the purposes of revealing a new processor at WWDC, Apple really only needs the specifications (to, say, tell people how to take advantage of CPU threading). If they want a nice bonus, they can scrape up a couple of samples to stuff in a preproduction mule to show the chip off. Samples of the final design are available 6 months before a full-scale rollout.
Any new technology is of interest to WWDC. It's not the World Wide Software Developer's Conference.
I'm not 100% sure of a PowerMac update at MWSF. On the one hand, they've been doing press release updates recently. On the other hand, that's because the updates had been nothing to write home about. Steve has a lot to talk about, and I consider an iMac update more likely - the line needs one more than the PowerMac does, and it needs the publicity boost as well. But since the PMG5 needs no introduction at this point it might not take too long to announce, after running down sales results and reactions, that the line's been boosted to 2.x GHz, available February.
Originally posted by kupan787
The rumor sites always miss the big things. I don't think anyone saw the iPod coming, or the Cube, or Aqua, or the G5 (date of introduction), or the new iMac.
Pictures of the Cube Leaked.
G5 rumors were pretty solid before their release
Originally posted by Elmer Fudd
miniPod is credit card in size. Holds 10,000 songs and costs $249 for the largest size. Plus, new iApp. GarageBand. Music creation tool. Included in $99 updated iLife. Fact.
Don't care about any of that music stuff myself. I suppose it keeps the lights on. But your sig "cill [sic] the wabbit", is this a reference to the classic Wagner opera satire cartoon? I only saw it once, it was terrific!
Less then a day away, and last minute notes...
"GarageBand" will be announced tomorrow.
Xserve updates tomorrow, as well.
This Mini iPod information [link] is still considered reliable.
Related Link: our ealier [sic] MWSF 2004 Rumor Roundup.
Readers are reminded that Garage Band was trademarked by Apple in September 2003 and the newly released 2GB mini drives would fit nicely in a new iPod.
Go to the MacRumors site to see the various links included in the quoted text.