Faster is better because you can charge more for getting more done in that hour.
And you won't have the customer sitting over your shoulder, breathing down your neck when the project is not done, is falling behind schedule and costing them more to reschedule events that rely on your part of the project. Yes, speed is good!
To bring this back to MWSF, I'll be buying a new dektop January 6, 2004. With any luck, I'll be back to Mac after a 2 year hiatus. More likely, the marketing geniuses at Apple will ensure I settle for another cheap PC.
One thing i always think about when I hear these stories is software. For me at least the price of software was one big thing holding me back from moving up from my beige OS9 machine to alu-coated OSX. I probably droped $1500 on new software. I figure this is a big concern for switchers as well. A few hundred bucks difference in prices between CPUs is really not the big problem.
One thing i always think about when I hear these stories is software. For me at least the price of software was one big thing holding me back from moving up from my beige OS9 machine to alu-coated OSX. I probably droped $1500 on new software. I figure this is a big concern for switchers as well. A few hundred bucks difference in prices between CPUs is really not the big problem.
You're right, the slapped together PC is faster, cheaper AND I wouldn't have to spend money buying an OSX version of Microsoft Office. Still...I'd be willing to pony up if Apple decided to sell a non-AIO for $999.
How about doubling sales? If the rumor of >500k Powermacs sold is true that means about 300k sold for Q1 04, since they sold about 220k in Q4 03. in Q1 03, they sold 158k, so they'd be at damn near doubling their sales over the year ago quarter for the Powermacs.
I think there's going to be plenty of room to start diffrentiating their desktop offerings, once the G5 gets rolled out across the entire line.
206K in 04Q1.
Oopsies!
And, told you so!
Oh look! Right around 800K units sold this quarter! Magical!
expanding the product line right now would just slice up that 800K number a few more ways, not add to it. Apple has to convince people to buy their CORE offerings before making new niche offerings.
...wait, hold on. A freaking $500 iPod is a commodity item, but a computer is not "replaceable on a whim" at $199.
MMmmmm. Ok.
Sorry, you make a poor argument.
Mooseman dude I used to service those imacs, none of them had a logic board replaced, they have another card that latchs on to the logic board, the cost is about 75 as i remember for the parts usually.
I want to make one minor point, as a Cube owner. I bought the Cube, not because it was cheap (it wasn't), not because it was expandable (it's kind of expandable, but not much), not because it was silent (I have a hearing loss anyway), not because I could use any monitor (altho I liked that), but because it was small.
If the rumor of >500k Powermacs sold is true that means about 300k sold for Q1 04, since they sold about 220k in Q4 03. in Q1 03, they sold 158k, so they'd be at damn near doubling their sales over the year ago quarter for the Powermacs.
Looks like the rumor wasn't true, right, Eugene? But if it makes you feel better, you were right, and I was wrong, on this mostly irrelevant side issue...
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And, told you so!
Can't you just feel the schadenfreude?
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Yes, because I was called out on it. So I'm calling them out on it now. How far away does 5M Macs a year sound now? Tooot tooooot!
Let me get this straight, Eugene-- you're actually HAPPY Apple's not in a position to expand their desktop offerings?
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Besides, in this thread, I'm arguing against adding more Mac product lines into the mix whereas in the others I'm just laying down the facts.
Yeah, look at what happened with the laptops. Last year, they introduced two new laptop models, and as a direct result, they lost money, just like last year. Oh, wait, unlike in the fall of 2002 when they only had one Powerbook model, not only did they sell damn near twice as many units, and their revenue was up 70%-- but they managed to make a $63 million profit, as well! So much for expanding lines eating into profits.
Let me get this straight, Eugene-- you're actually HAPPY Apple's not in a position to expand their desktop offerings?
No, I'm happy they don't listen to the geek minority who selfishly demand something they want, but nobody else really cares for. If Apple did as so many here have suggested and developed the Cube 2.0, where do you think it would be this quarter financially?
And you're trying to compare the expansion of the PowerBook line-up with bigger and smaller screens to creating an entirely new product family? Please...
Accept the fact that a headless iMac or mini-Power Mac currently has no place in the line-up and move on.
If Apple did as so many here have suggested and developed the Cube 2.0, where do you think it would be this quarter financially?
Given that an expanded Powerbook line didn't adversely effect their bottom line, I have no reason to believe cheaper G5 machines between $1k - $2k would, either.
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And you're trying to compare the expansion of the PowerBook line-up with bigger and smaller screens to creating an entirely new product family? Please...
Right-- because it'd be nearly the same thing. Think about it-- what did Apple have to design for the 12" & 17" Powerbooks? New motherboards, and new enclosures. What would they have to redesign for a "Cube 2.0"? New motherboards & new enclosures... Seems like a fair comparison to me.
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Accept the fact that a headless iMac or mini-Power Mac currently has no place in the line-up and move on.
Accept the fact that that ain't gonna happen, and move on yourself. There's a REASON this thread died two weeks ago, Eugene...
Cheaper G5s, between $1000 and $2000. You mean like the low-end G5 already occupies...and the G5 iMac when it'll be released?
I'm sure Apple could release such a G5, if they axe the iMac, but is that what you really want?
*or*
They could make a headless iMac with a G4 while all the other desktops move on to the G5. That's obviously not what you want.
*or*
Apple gets more economical on volume and shrinks the current Power Mac tower down to a respectable mini-tower size. This is still targetting the same audience as before, except it's perhaps slightly cheaper by virtue of time passed. They then release a full-tower with 5 expansion slot. ECC support, two 5.25" bays and two hot swap 3.5" bays (+two internal)...a 'workstation' with an Xsomething name. Xstation?
The latter two options aren't shoehorning a prosumer product in between. In one you're getting a bargain-bin Mac with yesteryear's tech. In the other, you're creating a true professional workstation for those who demand it. In both the dollar spectrum is widened.
The only real feasible option, IMO, is the last one. The Power Mac G5, as an all new replacement for the Power Mac G4 costs a lot to manufacture. There's no way in hell Apple will just continue to leave all that empty space inside. Those big-ass heatsinks and cooling zones? They can be replaced by smaller heatsinks with fans that blow directly onto them. The current Power Mac G5 could be about 4 inches shorter, at least.
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Originally posted by shawk
If you're paid by the hour, a slower computer is better.
Don't be stupid. People will be wondering why it took you so long!?
Faster is better because you can charge more for getting more done in that hour.
-- Clive
Originally posted by Clive
Faster is better because you can charge more for getting more done in that hour.
And you won't have the customer sitting over your shoulder, breathing down your neck when the project is not done, is falling behind schedule and costing them more to reschedule events that rely on your part of the project. Yes, speed is good!
Originally posted by Ompus
To bring this back to MWSF, I'll be buying a new dektop January 6, 2004. With any luck, I'll be back to Mac after a 2 year hiatus. More likely, the marketing geniuses at Apple will ensure I settle for another cheap PC.
One thing i always think about when I hear these stories is software. For me at least the price of software was one big thing holding me back from moving up from my beige OS9 machine to alu-coated OSX. I probably droped $1500 on new software. I figure this is a big concern for switchers as well. A few hundred bucks difference in prices between CPUs is really not the big problem.
Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
One thing i always think about when I hear these stories is software. For me at least the price of software was one big thing holding me back from moving up from my beige OS9 machine to alu-coated OSX. I probably droped $1500 on new software. I figure this is a big concern for switchers as well. A few hundred bucks difference in prices between CPUs is really not the big problem.
You're right, the slapped together PC is faster, cheaper AND I wouldn't have to spend money buying an OSX version of Microsoft Office. Still...I'd be willing to pony up if Apple decided to sell a non-AIO for $999.
Originally posted by Gamblor
How about doubling sales? If the rumor of >500k Powermacs sold is true that means about 300k sold for Q1 04, since they sold about 220k in Q4 03. in Q1 03, they sold 158k, so they'd be at damn near doubling their sales over the year ago quarter for the Powermacs.
I think there's going to be plenty of room to start diffrentiating their desktop offerings, once the G5 gets rolled out across the entire line.
206K in 04Q1.
Oopsies!
And, told you so!
Oh look! Right around 800K units sold this quarter! Magical!
expanding the product line right now would just slice up that 800K number a few more ways, not add to it. Apple has to convince people to buy their CORE offerings before making new niche offerings.
Jeez.....
Originally posted by Flounder
hmmmm, so you like tooting your own horn so much that the two other threads weren't enough, you had to dig up a thread that died two weeks ago?
Jeez.....
Yes, because I was called out on it. So I'm calling them out on it now. How far away does 5M Macs a year sound now? Tooot tooooot!
Besides, in this thread, I'm arguing against adding more Mac product lines into the mix whereas in the others I'm just laying down the facts.
Originally posted by mooseman
...wait, hold on. A freaking $500 iPod is a commodity item, but a computer is not "replaceable on a whim" at $199.
MMmmmm. Ok.
Sorry, you make a poor argument.
Mooseman dude I used to service those imacs, none of them had a logic board replaced, they have another card that latchs on to the logic board, the cost is about 75 as i remember for the parts usually.
Originally posted by cubist
I want to make one minor point, as a Cube owner. I bought the Cube, not because it was cheap (it wasn't), not because it was expandable (it's kind of expandable, but not much), not because it was silent (I have a hearing loss anyway), not because I could use any monitor (altho I liked that), but because it was small.
I agree...
Check out my thoughts in Half-Depth cases for new Macs (?)
206K in 04Q1.
Oopsies!
Here-- highlighted for clarity:
If the rumor of >500k Powermacs sold is true that means about 300k sold for Q1 04, since they sold about 220k in Q4 03. in Q1 03, they sold 158k, so they'd be at damn near doubling their sales over the year ago quarter for the Powermacs.
Looks like the rumor wasn't true, right, Eugene? But if it makes you feel better, you were right, and I was wrong, on this mostly irrelevant side issue...
And, told you so!
Can't you just feel the schadenfreude?
Yes, because I was called out on it. So I'm calling them out on it now. How far away does 5M Macs a year sound now? Tooot tooooot!
Let me get this straight, Eugene-- you're actually HAPPY Apple's not in a position to expand their desktop offerings?
Besides, in this thread, I'm arguing against adding more Mac product lines into the mix whereas in the others I'm just laying down the facts.
Yeah, look at what happened with the laptops. Last year, they introduced two new laptop models, and as a direct result, they lost money, just like last year. Oh, wait, unlike in the fall of 2002 when they only had one Powerbook model, not only did they sell damn near twice as many units, and their revenue was up 70%-- but they managed to make a $63 million profit, as well! So much for expanding lines eating into profits.
Let me get this straight, Eugene-- you're actually HAPPY Apple's not in a position to expand their desktop offerings?
No, I'm happy they don't listen to the geek minority who selfishly demand something they want, but nobody else really cares for. If Apple did as so many here have suggested and developed the Cube 2.0, where do you think it would be this quarter financially?
And you're trying to compare the expansion of the PowerBook line-up with bigger and smaller screens to creating an entirely new product family? Please...
Accept the fact that a headless iMac or mini-Power Mac currently has no place in the line-up and move on.
If Apple did as so many here have suggested and developed the Cube 2.0, where do you think it would be this quarter financially?
Given that an expanded Powerbook line didn't adversely effect their bottom line, I have no reason to believe cheaper G5 machines between $1k - $2k would, either.
And you're trying to compare the expansion of the PowerBook line-up with bigger and smaller screens to creating an entirely new product family? Please...
Right-- because it'd be nearly the same thing. Think about it-- what did Apple have to design for the 12" & 17" Powerbooks? New motherboards, and new enclosures. What would they have to redesign for a "Cube 2.0"? New motherboards & new enclosures... Seems like a fair comparison to me.
Accept the fact that a headless iMac or mini-Power Mac currently has no place in the line-up and move on.
Accept the fact that that ain't gonna happen, and move on yourself. There's a REASON this thread died two weeks ago, Eugene...
I'm sure Apple could release such a G5, if they axe the iMac, but is that what you really want?
*or*
They could make a headless iMac with a G4 while all the other desktops move on to the G5. That's obviously not what you want.
*or*
Apple gets more economical on volume and shrinks the current Power Mac tower down to a respectable mini-tower size. This is still targetting the same audience as before, except it's perhaps slightly cheaper by virtue of time passed. They then release a full-tower with 5 expansion slot. ECC support, two 5.25" bays and two hot swap 3.5" bays (+two internal)...a 'workstation' with an Xsomething name. Xstation?
The latter two options aren't shoehorning a prosumer product in between. In one you're getting a bargain-bin Mac with yesteryear's tech. In the other, you're creating a true professional workstation for those who demand it. In both the dollar spectrum is widened.
The only real feasible option, IMO, is the last one. The Power Mac G5, as an all new replacement for the Power Mac G4 costs a lot to manufacture. There's no way in hell Apple will just continue to leave all that empty space inside. Those big-ass heatsinks and cooling zones? They can be replaced by smaller heatsinks with fans that blow directly onto them. The current Power Mac G5 could be about 4 inches shorter, at least.