According to this China Daily article, the best source I can find on the topic,
Quote:
Eli Pariser, campaign director for MoveOn.org, said the ad appeared on the Web site with hundreds of others submitted by the public and voted on during a two-week period. They were removed Dec. 31, when the voting period had ended.
Will somebody please tell me what's controversial about an ad that was certainly not "featured" more prominently than any other submission. MoveOn sponsored an ad contest, so it's going to get a few classless submissions. <--period. It's a testament to registered voters on Bushin30seconds.org that the ad will not be chosen as a finalist. One ad submitted by one member is not indicative of any wrongdoing on MoveOn's part.
I actually know someone who's working on the contest.
And this is what they have to say about it.
"Well, the ad would never have aired if we had caught it. It somehow slipped through our screening process, because we had decided to not air stuff like that.
But it got in. But then no one rated it very high, so it dropped out of rotation in a couple of days, and hasn't been on our site since. The only people "airing" that ad are the Republicans--
Also, we're not responsible for how people express themselves, and NONE of the ads entered are "sponsored" by moveOn--the CONTEST was sponsored, but we are not responsible for what people enter into it--
That ad was never considered for any further airing by Moveon.
and No, no one ever complained--
Honestly, I don't know anyone who ever even saw it.
No one ever heard of it until the RNC started yelling about it yesterday."
But it got in. But then no one rated it very high, so it dropped out of rotation in a couple of days, and hasn't been on our site since. The only people "airing" that ad are the Republicans--
Also, we're not responsible for how people express themselves, and NONE of the ads entered are "sponsored" by moveOn--the CONTEST was sponsored, but we are not responsible for what people enter into it--
The only thing keeping me from calling some folks here every name in the book is the posting guidelines.
Regardless of political opinion or affiliation, this kind of thing is just horrible. Absolutely horrible. One doesn't need to link to anywhere or anything on the net to know that the hosting of such as ad is implicit sanction of it. And let's not kid outselves here, moveon.org has a clear anti-Bush agenda. Their hosting of the ad is just beyond any shadow of civilility. In fact, it borders on slander. To prove slander, one must demonstrate that the subject has 1) Been harmed by the statements and 2) The statement is untrue and was made knowing it was untrue. Hmmmm.
Let's break it down: The site is hosting ads comparing the President of the United States to a man who delibrately murdered 6,000,000 jews because he wanted to create super race. The ads compare the invasion of Iraq to the invasions of Poland and Russia. So, I guess Bush got on his soapbox and said "We need breathing room"? Bush says he prays for wisdom and guidance, ans this compares to Hitler saying we should "follow the will of the almighty"? Right.
But none of the above matters. The ads are another symptom of the total lack of civility, reason and judgement in politics today...and in our society on the whole. And furthermore, they're a symptom of the deep sickness the Democratic Party has become afflicted with...one that is even being denied by people on this board. I mean, shit, some of you are actually defending these ads and their hosts. See my signature.
The only thing keeping me from calling some folks here every name in the book is the posting guidelines.
Regardless of political opinion or affiliation, this kind of thing is just horrible. Absolutely horrible. One doesn't need to link to anywhere or anything on the net to know that the hosting of such as ad is implicit sanction of it. And let's not kid outselves here, moveon.org has a clear anti-Bush agenda. Their hosting of the ad is just beyond any shadow of civilility. In fact, it borders on slander. To prove slander, one must demonstrate that the subject has 1) Been harmed by the statements and 2) The statement is untrue and was made knowing it was untrue. Hmmmm.
Let's break it down: The site is hosting ads comparing the President of the United States to a man who delibrately murdered 6,000,000 jews because he wanted to create super race. The ads compare the invasion of Iraq to the invasions of Poland and Russia. So, I guess Bush got on his soapbox and said "We need breathing room"? Bush says he prays for wisdom and guidance, ans this compares to Hitler saying we should "follow the will of the almighty"? Right.
But none of the above matters. The ads are another symptom of the total lack of civility, reason and judgement in politics today...and in our society on the whole. And furthermore, they're a symptom of the deep sickness the Democratic Party has become afflicted with...one that is even being denied by people on this board. I mean, shit, some of you are actually defending these ads and their hosts. See my signature.
I've always found your signature a direct reflection of the content of your posts.
If the situation were reversed I know you'd be defending this.
This from a post trumptman penned today in his other thread.
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Originally posted by jimmac
Don't you know that the rules change from thread to thread? You can't hold people accountable for things they've said on other threads!
You both need a reading comprehension check. I said moveon endorsed the views. I said the views were hateful and terrible. However I would love to see where I said they didn't have a right to air the ad or that they should censor it.
gee... guess you missed the disclaimer that shows with every contest entry.
"The viewpoints and opinions expressed in this ad are not necessarily endorsed by MoveOn.org Voter Fund, MoveOn.org, or the Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. More general info on Bush in 30 Seconds is available on our main page."
gee... guess you missed the disclaimer that shows with every contest entry.
"The viewpoints and opinions expressed in this ad are not necessarily endorsed by MoveOn.org Voter Fund, MoveOn.org, or the Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. More general info on Bush in 30 Seconds is available on our main page."
Oh, I see trumptman. Your defense is that you are a liar, not a hypocrite.
Contact: Myrna Shinbaum, 212-885-7747, or Todd Gutnick, 212-885-7755, both of the Anti-Defamation League
NEW YORK, Jan. 5 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today said it was deeply troubled that MoveOn.org had allowed an outrageous and highly offensive political ad that directly compared President George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler to be posted on its Web site.
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL national director and author of "Never Again: The Threat of the New Anti-Semitism," issued the following statement:
"It is shocking that a mainstream political group like MoveOn.org not only allowed this vile and outrageous comparison of the American President to Adolf Hitler to be entered into its "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest in the first place, but that they even went so far as to make it available to the public on the Internet. Those responsible for this contest at MoveOn.org should have immediately identified this advertisement as one going far beyond legitimate criticism and rejected it out of hand. Instead, they made an irresponsible decision that has given legitimacy to the exploitative manipulation of images in a campaign season.
"MoveOn.org clearly would not have accepted a pornographic ad as legitimate criticism of a candidate. Why did they think that images of Hitler, the Nazi whose evil regime was responsible for the slaughter of millions of people during the Holocaust, was a fitting and credible expression of criticism of President Bush and his policies? Their lack of discretion cheapens the level of political discourse in America, and their comments explaining it were hardly comforting."
The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
Jack Rosen, president of the American Jewish Congress, writes in Monday's WALL STREET JOURNAL: "MoveOn.org informed potential ad makers that 'we're not going to post anything that would be inappropriate for television.' Two of the ads posted on the group's Web site compared Adolf Hitler to George W. Bush. One ad morphed an image of Hitler into President Bush and says that, '1945's war crimes' are '2003's foreign policy.'" Rosen says MoveOn.org is "using the memory of that genocide as a political prop. Their comparison diminishes the reality of what happened, and their actions cheapen the memory of a horrific crime. It also does a terrible disservice to this country at a perilous time, when we need to examine the dangers we face with clarity and purpose." Leadership is "about confronting threats to freedom everywhere. President Bush has shown that leadership in Iraq, and our troops have liberated a people who were oppressed by another murderous dictator. MoveOn.org compares this liberation to the Holocaust. It deploys a picture of Hitler to vilify President Bush. Comparing the commander-in-chief of a democratic nation to the murderous tyrant Hitler is not only historically specious, it is morally outrageous. Comparing an American president, any American president, to Hitler is an outrage. The MoveOn.org ad was inexcusable. Political figures such as Al Gore, who have associated themselves with MoveOn.org, have a special responsibility to condemn these ads; donors to the group such as George Soros have the same responsibility. They owe it not just to the memory of the millions who died in the Holocaust. They owe it also as a simple matter of decency."
Comments
NOTHING HAPPENED.
According to this China Daily article, the best source I can find on the topic,
Eli Pariser, campaign director for MoveOn.org, said the ad appeared on the Web site with hundreds of others submitted by the public and voted on during a two-week period. They were removed Dec. 31, when the voting period had ended.
Will somebody please tell me what's controversial about an ad that was certainly not "featured" more prominently than any other submission. MoveOn sponsored an ad contest, so it's going to get a few classless submissions. <--period. It's a testament to registered voters on Bushin30seconds.org that the ad will not be chosen as a finalist. One ad submitted by one member is not indicative of any wrongdoing on MoveOn's part.
And this is what they have to say about it.
"Well, the ad would never have aired if we had caught it. It somehow slipped through our screening process, because we had decided to not air stuff like that.
But it got in. But then no one rated it very high, so it dropped out of rotation in a couple of days, and hasn't been on our site since. The only people "airing" that ad are the Republicans--
Also, we're not responsible for how people express themselves, and NONE of the ads entered are "sponsored" by moveOn--the CONTEST was sponsored, but we are not responsible for what people enter into it--
That ad was never considered for any further airing by Moveon.
and No, no one ever complained--
Honestly, I don't know anyone who ever even saw it.
No one ever heard of it until the RNC started yelling about it yesterday."
Originally posted by chu_bakka
But it got in. But then no one rated it very high, so it dropped out of rotation in a couple of days, and hasn't been on our site since. The only people "airing" that ad are the Republicans--
Also, we're not responsible for how people express themselves, and NONE of the ads entered are "sponsored" by moveOn--the CONTEST was sponsored, but we are not responsible for what people enter into it--
Pa-thet-ic, trumptman.
Regardless of political opinion or affiliation, this kind of thing is just horrible. Absolutely horrible. One doesn't need to link to anywhere or anything on the net to know that the hosting of such as ad is implicit sanction of it. And let's not kid outselves here, moveon.org has a clear anti-Bush agenda. Their hosting of the ad is just beyond any shadow of civilility. In fact, it borders on slander. To prove slander, one must demonstrate that the subject has 1) Been harmed by the statements and 2) The statement is untrue and was made knowing it was untrue. Hmmmm.
Let's break it down: The site is hosting ads comparing the President of the United States to a man who delibrately murdered 6,000,000 jews because he wanted to create super race. The ads compare the invasion of Iraq to the invasions of Poland and Russia. So, I guess Bush got on his soapbox and said "We need breathing room"? Bush says he prays for wisdom and guidance, ans this compares to Hitler saying we should "follow the will of the almighty"? Right.
But none of the above matters. The ads are another symptom of the total lack of civility, reason and judgement in politics today...and in our society on the whole. And furthermore, they're a symptom of the deep sickness the Democratic Party has become afflicted with...one that is even being denied by people on this board. I mean, shit, some of you are actually defending these ads and their hosts. See my signature.
Originally posted by trumptman
...it is sickening that you would endorse speech limits for groups that you disagree with.
Nick
This from a post trumptman penned today in his other thread.
Originally posted by giant
You know what I find interesting?
This from a post trumptman penned today in his other thread.
Don't you know that the rules change from thread to thread? You can't hold people accountable for things they've said on other threads!
Originally posted by SDW2001
The only thing keeping me from calling some folks here every name in the book is the posting guidelines.
Regardless of political opinion or affiliation, this kind of thing is just horrible. Absolutely horrible. One doesn't need to link to anywhere or anything on the net to know that the hosting of such as ad is implicit sanction of it. And let's not kid outselves here, moveon.org has a clear anti-Bush agenda. Their hosting of the ad is just beyond any shadow of civilility. In fact, it borders on slander. To prove slander, one must demonstrate that the subject has 1) Been harmed by the statements and 2) The statement is untrue and was made knowing it was untrue. Hmmmm.
Let's break it down: The site is hosting ads comparing the President of the United States to a man who delibrately murdered 6,000,000 jews because he wanted to create super race. The ads compare the invasion of Iraq to the invasions of Poland and Russia. So, I guess Bush got on his soapbox and said "We need breathing room"? Bush says he prays for wisdom and guidance, ans this compares to Hitler saying we should "follow the will of the almighty"? Right.
But none of the above matters. The ads are another symptom of the total lack of civility, reason and judgement in politics today...and in our society on the whole. And furthermore, they're a symptom of the deep sickness the Democratic Party has become afflicted with...one that is even being denied by people on this board. I mean, shit, some of you are actually defending these ads and their hosts. See my signature.
I've always found your signature a direct reflection of the content of your posts.
If the situation were reversed I know you'd be defending this.
Originally posted by trumptman
Oh and thanks for claiming about 45% of America are brainwashed masses/asses who would have gassed millions.
Trumptman:
Do you think that Americans are genetically superior to Germans?
Is this the reason why they would never "have gassed millions"?
I did defend the site that sponsored the contest.
The ad sucked. It didn't get high marks FROM DEMOCRATS. And it didn't go any further than that.
How can a population of democrats that DON'T support the contest entry somehow be endorsing the message?
Originally posted by giant
You know what I find interesting?
This from a post trumptman penned today in his other thread.
Originally posted by jimmac
Don't you know that the rules change from thread to thread? You can't hold people accountable for things they've said on other threads!
You both need a reading comprehension check. I said moveon endorsed the views. I said the views were hateful and terrible. However I would love to see where I said they didn't have a right to air the ad or that they should censor it.
Go on... start looking....
Nick
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Trumptman threatened to beat me up once. That was funny.
No trumptman said that if you treated people in the real world like you did in these forums, you would likely get beat up.
I didn't say I would do it. I live 3,000 miles from you for goodness sake.
Nick
"The viewpoints and opinions expressed in this ad are not necessarily endorsed by MoveOn.org Voter Fund, MoveOn.org, or the Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. More general info on Bush in 30 Seconds is available on our main page."
You're ignoring the facts.
Originally posted by 123
Trumptman:
Do you think that Americans are genetically superior to Germans?
Is this the reason why they would never "have gassed millions"?
No I don't think they are genetically superior. However attributing Nazism to people not practicing it is wrong.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
I said moveon endorsed the views.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
gee... guess you missed the disclaimer that shows with every contest entry.
"The viewpoints and opinions expressed in this ad are not necessarily endorsed by MoveOn.org Voter Fund, MoveOn.org, or the Bush in 30 Seconds ad contest. More general info on Bush in 30 Seconds is available on our main page."
Oh, I see trumptman. Your defense is that you are a liar, not a hypocrite.
Have it your way.
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/01_small.shtml
Strike two
Here's what the ADL has to say about it.
To: National Desk
Contact: Myrna Shinbaum, 212-885-7747, or Todd Gutnick, 212-885-7755, both of the Anti-Defamation League
NEW YORK, Jan. 5 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today said it was deeply troubled that MoveOn.org had allowed an outrageous and highly offensive political ad that directly compared President George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler to be posted on its Web site.
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL national director and author of "Never Again: The Threat of the New Anti-Semitism," issued the following statement:
"It is shocking that a mainstream political group like MoveOn.org not only allowed this vile and outrageous comparison of the American President to Adolf Hitler to be entered into its "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest in the first place, but that they even went so far as to make it available to the public on the Internet. Those responsible for this contest at MoveOn.org should have immediately identified this advertisement as one going far beyond legitimate criticism and rejected it out of hand. Instead, they made an irresponsible decision that has given legitimacy to the exploitative manipulation of images in a campaign season.
"MoveOn.org clearly would not have accepted a pornographic ad as legitimate criticism of a candidate. Why did they think that images of Hitler, the Nazi whose evil regime was responsible for the slaughter of millions of people during the Holocaust, was a fitting and credible expression of criticism of President Bush and his policies? Their lack of discretion cheapens the level of political discourse in America, and their comments explaining it were hardly comforting."
The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
Keep digging...
Nick
Jack Rosen, president of the American Jewish Congress, writes in Monday's WALL STREET JOURNAL: "MoveOn.org informed potential ad makers that 'we're not going to post anything that would be inappropriate for television.' Two of the ads posted on the group's Web site compared Adolf Hitler to George W. Bush. One ad morphed an image of Hitler into President Bush and says that, '1945's war crimes' are '2003's foreign policy.'" Rosen says MoveOn.org is "using the memory of that genocide as a political prop. Their comparison diminishes the reality of what happened, and their actions cheapen the memory of a horrific crime. It also does a terrible disservice to this country at a perilous time, when we need to examine the dangers we face with clarity and purpose." Leadership is "about confronting threats to freedom everywhere. President Bush has shown that leadership in Iraq, and our troops have liberated a people who were oppressed by another murderous dictator. MoveOn.org compares this liberation to the Holocaust. It deploys a picture of Hitler to vilify President Bush. Comparing the commander-in-chief of a democratic nation to the murderous tyrant Hitler is not only historically specious, it is morally outrageous. Comparing an American president, any American president, to Hitler is an outrage. The MoveOn.org ad was inexcusable. Political figures such as Al Gore, who have associated themselves with MoveOn.org, have a special responsibility to condemn these ads; donors to the group such as George Soros have the same responsibility. They owe it not just to the memory of the millions who died in the Holocaust. They owe it also as a simple matter of decency."
Nick
Originally posted by giant
Oh, I see trumptman. Your defense is that you are a liar, not a hypocrite.
Have it your way.
You want to see a liar, look in the mirror buddy. I'm not the one defending a group using genocide for political gain.
Nick
Is the RNC endorsing it?
Find it on the Bush in 30 seconds site.
here's another contest finalist.
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/10_small.shtml
it's cute... uses the OS 9 desktop sounds too.