The basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, often held to include the right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law.
civil rights
pl.n.
The rights belonging to an individual by virtue of citizenship, especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and by subsequent acts of Congress, including civil liberties, due process, equal protection of the laws, and freedom from discrimination.
If you listen hard enough, you'll hear whatever you want to hear and believe it like the gospel.
You miss the point. Every media channel in the US depicts the same point of view as they don't want to be labelled as un-patriotic. If you are listening to people praising the role being played by the west and their achievements in Afghanisthan, you need to look elsewhere to get a touch of ground reality. The UN is a useless world body which no one gives a shit about after the last war, they don't have a voice in the media or elsewhere. Hence the need to listen up.
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Maybe you should yourself pay more attention. You will not find one single person in the administration who has said Iraq is a democratic state right now
What state is Iraq in? Liberated? Do you seriously believe the people are happy over continued US occupation? The US went in there stating a goal of regime change due to WMD. Now that the regime is finished and all of the top leaders have been captured/killed, why is the US still continuing to occupy the country? What is the lie now? I know I pissed off people with my first post. But feel free to search for it and read it once.
edit: 11 of the 14 Sep 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. So what did the US do about it? Bomb iraq instead? \
The US, because of it's strict environmental laws produces in the rage of only 10% or maybe it was less (I am looking for the article now) of the worlds polution. Kyoto was just a failed UN power grab..
Look. Unless the World Bank has suddenly become an anti-American liberal body, the following table is correct.
The United States alone accounts for near-on 24% of all global emissions. You have just less than 5% of the world's population. Your environmental laws are not "strict".
Kyoto was not a "failed UN power grab" since it was endorsed by member states, all of whom were pissed off, many of whom are adhering to it despite your President's veto.
I've never stopped talking about human rights. Since when is the freedom of prisoners in guantanamo not a human rights issue? Since when does the national debt not infringe on my daughter's human rights (to health and socioeconomic freedom).
Trying to derail the discussion is a typical tactic of the right.
You are so full of yourself not to mention cocky.
You derailed this thread so far off topic by spouting your extreme left propaganda that it will probably never gat back on track. Every thing you accuse bush of could be applied to at least the last four presidents and maybe more. Talk about vague and argumentative. You don't like bush and you just wish to blame him for everything, when in reality a lot of issues he faces could have been solved by the previous president, but we all know what he was busy doing.
There are always some whackos crying how one decision caused some catastrophe or another. You are an "everything conservative" hater and a far left parrot. You really should expand your horizons and try to get your world view somewhere other than moveon.org or the DNC homepage or Howard Dean's website.
There are more Muslims in Asia, 670m of them, than in the Middle East. The country with the highest Muslim population in the world is Indonesia.
So who do they profile? German woman?
They are doing what they have to do. If another 9/11 happens you and your liberal friends will be crying and pounding your fists saying' "why didn't you do enough?" to Bush.
Look. Unless the World Bank has suddenly become an anti-American liberal body, the following table is correct.
The United States alone accounts for near-on 24% of all global emissions. You have just less than 5% of the world's population. Your environmental laws are not "strict".
Kyoto was not a "failed UN power grab" since it was endorsed by member states, all of whom were pissed off, many of whom are adhering to it despite your President's veto.
You are just rediculous. This is a chart for fuel emissions, um cars and the like. That is not where the damage is being done, my friend. Dig a little deeper.
You are just rediculous. This is a chart for fuel emissions, um cars and the like.
No. It's not. It's a chart for emissions from fuel combustion. Like it says.
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Originally posted by NaplesX
That is not where the damage is being done, my friend.
Yes. It is.
And America still makes nearly a quarter of these emissions even though it has less than 5% of the world's population, a figure I notice you chose not to contest.
No. It's not. It's a chart for emissions from fuel combustion. Like it says.
Yes. It is.
And America still makes nearly a quarter of these emissions even though it has less than 5% of the world's population, a figure I notice you chose not to contest.
Fuel combustion. We are talking mostly cars. Open your eyes. This is one form of pollution.
Trying to derail the discussion is a typical tactic of the right.
And accusing me of "tactics of the right" is a round about way of ignoring the fact that you are using the wrong terminology. I understand YOU may feel these are human rights violations, but according to international law you are incorrect. They are called civil rights or civil liberties. If you are going to argue with someone, you need to sound like you understand what you're talking about.
As for my being "right", the reason I am pointing out your incorrect terminology is because I agree with what you say at certain points, if only you would say it properly. So, good attempt at flaming me, but no soup for you.
You derailed this thread so far off topic by spouting your extreme left propaganda that it will probably never gat back on track. Every thing you accuse bush of could be applied to at least the last four presidents and maybe more. Talk about vague and argumentative. You don't like bush and you just wish to blame him for everything, when in reality a lot of issues he faces could have been solved by the previous president, but we all know what he was busy doing.
There are always some whackos crying how one decision caused some catastrophe or another. You are an "everything conservative" hater and a far left parrot. You really should expand your horizons and try to get your world view somewhere other than moveon.org or the DNC homepage or Howard Dean's website.
You're one to talk about derailing threads. Everytime I come here nowdays it's the same thing. You're not really having a dialog you're just ready to fire off another volley of nonsense.
By the way the last four presidents didn't take us to war in a time of economic strife. A war I might add that was based on a falsehood. It cost many dollars and many lives.
Come on NaplesX! Where's that big anouncement you were telling me about a couple of weeks ago about WOMD? Hmmm?
While I certainly agree that going to war over the WMD issue was ill-advised at best, we mustn't forget that the vast majority of intelligence in the possession of the US, as well as other members of the UN security council, pointed to Iraq having WMD. Very few disputed this in any way. Obviously something was going on for all these countries to feel like this. That something doesn't mean that there were actual WMD, rather it could have been many other things like misinformation ploys. So while it's much easier to say now that it was a falsehood, it was not so easy back then.
Unfortunately, this has degraded to a lose lose situation. Should WMD never be found, it'll forever discredit one of the major reasons for invasion. Should they be found, however, at this late stage, the validity of the discovery will no doubt be scrutinized and called into question for a very long time.
Hassan that graph is completely not useable, if you want to know who the real culprits are for industrial pollution look at coal burning places without the same restrictions we have such as china, mexico, and the like. Gas Emissions as well aren't near as harmful other harmful countries that use extremely harmful chemicals in their factories.
also think about how hard and taxing it'd be to get the whole picture of where what pollution is coming from where... all around the world, in the span of one year.
The most Lincoln ever did to actually free any slaves was to piss off the South enough to make them secede.
Um duh?!
Dirty Southerners were being evil, we made them attack us, and crushed them. The majority of Good vs. Evil conflicts have been solved through war. Like it or not. This is one of those cases. I mean really what happened to the real groverat!? You're proving why Lincoln's record is what is important. Something had to be done about the dirty southerners. He bent the South over and spanked it, and on top of that he made them ask for it. Thank you sir may I have another! Thank you sir may I have another!
Comments
pl.n.
The basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, often held to include the right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law.
civil rights
pl.n.
The rights belonging to an individual by virtue of citizenship, especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and by subsequent acts of Congress, including civil liberties, due process, equal protection of the laws, and freedom from discrimination.
Originally posted by rageous
If you listen hard enough, you'll hear whatever you want to hear and believe it like the gospel.
You miss the point. Every media channel in the US depicts the same point of view as they don't want to be labelled as un-patriotic. If you are listening to people praising the role being played by the west and their achievements in Afghanisthan, you need to look elsewhere to get a touch of ground reality. The UN is a useless world body which no one gives a shit about after the last war, they don't have a voice in the media or elsewhere. Hence the need to listen up.
Maybe you should yourself pay more attention. You will not find one single person in the administration who has said Iraq is a democratic state right now
What state is Iraq in? Liberated? Do you seriously believe the people are happy over continued US occupation? The US went in there stating a goal of regime change due to WMD. Now that the regime is finished and all of the top leaders have been captured/killed, why is the US still continuing to occupy the country? What is the lie now? I know I pissed off people with my first post. But feel free to search for it and read it once.
edit: 11 of the 14 Sep 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. So what did the US do about it? Bomb iraq instead?
Originally posted by NaplesX
before I start on you, welcome.
The US, because of it's strict environmental laws produces in the rage of only 10% or maybe it was less (I am looking for the article now) of the worlds polution. Kyoto was just a failed UN power grab..
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Sep/09212...enta/94284.asp
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssen...al/7386664.htm
This is incorrect.
Look. Unless the World Bank has suddenly become an anti-American liberal body, the following table is correct.
The United States alone accounts for near-on 24% of all global emissions. You have just less than 5% of the world's population. Your environmental laws are not "strict".
Kyoto was not a "failed UN power grab" since it was endorsed by member states, all of whom were pissed off, many of whom are adhering to it despite your President's veto.
Originally posted by NaplesX
Where are you getting this stuff? Islam is followed by mostly middle eastern people. Who are our agencies supposed to be suspicious of? Swiss Dancers?
This is incorrect.
There are more Muslims in Asia, 670m of them, than in the Middle East. The country with the highest Muslim population in the world is Indonesia.
Originally posted by tonton
I've never stopped talking about human rights. Since when is the freedom of prisoners in guantanamo not a human rights issue? Since when does the national debt not infringe on my daughter's human rights (to health and socioeconomic freedom).
Trying to derail the discussion is a typical tactic of the right.
You are so full of yourself not to mention cocky.
You derailed this thread so far off topic by spouting your extreme left propaganda that it will probably never gat back on track. Every thing you accuse bush of could be applied to at least the last four presidents and maybe more. Talk about vague and argumentative. You don't like bush and you just wish to blame him for everything, when in reality a lot of issues he faces could have been solved by the previous president, but we all know what he was busy doing.
There are always some whackos crying how one decision caused some catastrophe or another. You are an "everything conservative" hater and a far left parrot. You really should expand your horizons and try to get your world view somewhere other than moveon.org or the DNC homepage or Howard Dean's website.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is incorrect.
There are more Muslims in Asia, 670m of them, than in the Middle East. The country with the highest Muslim population in the world is Indonesia.
So who do they profile? German woman?
They are doing what they have to do. If another 9/11 happens you and your liberal friends will be crying and pounding your fists saying' "why didn't you do enough?" to Bush.
You guys are ridiculous.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is incorrect.
Look. Unless the World Bank has suddenly become an anti-American liberal body, the following table is correct.
The United States alone accounts for near-on 24% of all global emissions. You have just less than 5% of the world's population. Your environmental laws are not "strict".
Kyoto was not a "failed UN power grab" since it was endorsed by member states, all of whom were pissed off, many of whom are adhering to it despite your President's veto.
You are just rediculous. This is a chart for fuel emissions, um cars and the like. That is not where the damage is being done, my friend. Dig a little deeper.
Originally posted by NaplesX
You are just rediculous. This is a chart for fuel emissions, um cars and the like.
No. It's not. It's a chart for emissions from fuel combustion. Like it says.
Originally posted by NaplesX
That is not where the damage is being done, my friend.
Yes. It is.
And America still makes nearly a quarter of these emissions even though it has less than 5% of the world's population, a figure I notice you chose not to contest.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
No. It's not. It's a chart for emissions from fuel combustion. Like it says.
Yes. It is.
And America still makes nearly a quarter of these emissions even though it has less than 5% of the world's population, a figure I notice you chose not to contest.
Fuel combustion. We are talking mostly cars. Open your eyes. This is one form of pollution.
Originally posted by NaplesX
Fuel combustion. We are talking mostly cars. Open your eyes. This is one form of pollution.
OK. How to put it?
THEY
BURN
FOSSIL
FUELS
IN
FUCKING
FACTORIES
AS
WELL
AS
IN
CARS.
I am a link for the hard-of-thinking.
I am a link posted for a man with his head in his anus.
Originally posted by tonton
Trying to derail the discussion is a typical tactic of the right.
And accusing me of "tactics of the right" is a round about way of ignoring the fact that you are using the wrong terminology. I understand YOU may feel these are human rights violations, but according to international law you are incorrect. They are called civil rights or civil liberties. If you are going to argue with someone, you need to sound like you understand what you're talking about.
As for my being "right", the reason I am pointing out your incorrect terminology is because I agree with what you say at certain points, if only you would say it properly. So, good attempt at flaming me, but no soup for you.
Originally posted by bunge
You completely avoided my question.
That's all groverat does nowdays!
Originally posted by NaplesX
You are so full of yourself not to mention cocky.
You derailed this thread so far off topic by spouting your extreme left propaganda that it will probably never gat back on track. Every thing you accuse bush of could be applied to at least the last four presidents and maybe more. Talk about vague and argumentative. You don't like bush and you just wish to blame him for everything, when in reality a lot of issues he faces could have been solved by the previous president, but we all know what he was busy doing.
There are always some whackos crying how one decision caused some catastrophe or another. You are an "everything conservative" hater and a far left parrot. You really should expand your horizons and try to get your world view somewhere other than moveon.org or the DNC homepage or Howard Dean's website.
You're one to talk about derailing threads. Everytime I come here nowdays it's the same thing. You're not really having a dialog you're just ready to fire off another volley of nonsense.
By the way the last four presidents didn't take us to war in a time of economic strife. A war I might add that was based on a falsehood. It cost many dollars and many lives.
Come on NaplesX! Where's that big anouncement you were telling me about a couple of weeks ago about WOMD? Hmmm?
Yeah, just any day now.
I'd say you're the parrot!
Unfortunately, this has degraded to a lose lose situation. Should WMD never be found, it'll forever discredit one of the major reasons for invasion. Should they be found, however, at this late stage, the validity of the discovery will no doubt be scrutinized and called into question for a very long time.
Originally posted by jimmac
That's all groverat does nowdays!
Maybe it's cause he couldn't be bothered with your idiocy.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
Maybe it's cause he couldn't be bothered with your idiocy.
You were looking the mirror when saying this weren't you?
As if you were saying anything with these vacuous posts.
For a new guy and a troll you're pretty vocal.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
Maybe it's cause he couldn't be bothered with your idiocy.
Good God, Mika, did you stockpile a dozen accounts six months ago in preparation for your inevitable bannings?
also think about how hard and taxing it'd be to get the whole picture of where what pollution is coming from where... all around the world, in the span of one year.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Good God, Mika, did you stockpile a dozen accounts six months ago in preparation for your inevitable bannings?
Just trying to keep up with Grima and dem commie Orcs, oh great Smaug.
The most Lincoln ever did to actually free any slaves was to piss off the South enough to make them secede.
Um duh?!
Dirty Southerners were being evil, we made them attack us, and crushed them. The majority of Good vs. Evil conflicts have been solved through war. Like it or not. This is one of those cases. I mean really what happened to the real groverat!? You're proving why Lincoln's record is what is important. Something had to be done about the dirty southerners. He bent the South over and spanked it, and on top of that he made them ask for it. Thank you sir may I have another! Thank you sir may I have another!