Purchasing advice: 20" iMac

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Murbot, I hope you are listening!



I'm thinking of buying a 20" iMac, but I've recently had my fingers burnt when I bought a 1.8GHz G5, and Apple shit on me by releasing the dual version shortly thereafter.



I'm considering purchasing a 20" iMac for use at home. But I just know that Apple are going to release a G5 version, or a massively souped-up variation shortly after I take the plunge.



I'm getting a bit sick of Apple taking the piss, and I'm not sure if I want to buy another Apple machine ever again, quite frankly!



Does anyone know what's happening with the new 750 chips or whatever they're called? Can we expect to see a speed bump shortly?
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  • Reply 1 of 24
    lainlain Posts: 140member
    The chances of Apple releasing a soupped up / cheaper version of the computer you are about to buy are directly related the probability of you buying the current model or not + 11 days.



    EDIT - If you live downunder you should remove the 11 days from my equation.
  • Reply 2 of 24
    Take the 1.8GHZ G5 home with an Apple cinema display. Buy a dual 2GHZ G5 for work.
  • Reply 3 of 24
    messiahmessiah Posts: 1,689member
    I've got a G5 at home AND at work already. Likewise I've got a Cinema Display at both locations as well. My point is that whilst I make use of the G5s power at work (sitting in front of it for 8 hours a day), I don't really make use of it at home.



    And it's an expensive setup to have just sitting around being wasted. So I'm punting it on eBay, and thinking about buying myself an iMac which I suspect is more than powerful enough for what I have in mind.



    Or I may just go for a Dell or something similar at home.
  • Reply 4 of 24
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    Apple is ALWAYS going to be updating its equipment. Whether that is 2 weeks or 2 months after you buy it really doesn't make a difference.



    In your case, it was unfortunate that the Dual 1.8Ghz machines were realeased shortly after you bought your single, but that's no reason to shun Apple forever.



    I recently bought a 1.25Ghz 15" Powerbook. I KNOW that Apple will probably bump the speed on them sooner than later, but I needed that specific computer at the time that I got it.



    If a current 20" iMac with the processor it has will be plenty for anything you plan to do in the next few years (or however long you envision having it), then buy it. If Apple releases a G5 iMac shortly after that -- which I think is unlikely -- you still have a very nice machine.



    If the thought of a G5 iMac being released soon after is too much for you to stomach, then wait and buy that instead.
  • Reply 5 of 24
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    That's part of it, Messiah. Apple isn't being an asshole by updating their gear on a somewhat regular basis. If they DIDN'T, many more of you would be livid.



    Yeah, surprises and stuff certainly sneak through (I didn't see the dual 1.8 OR 20" iMac coming...OR the iBook G4, for that matter), but, on balance, tracking release dates, being aware of upcoming major shows/events, following - to a degree - the talk around RESPECTABLE rumor sites who have a decent track record for accuracy (ThinkSecret and AppleInsider) usually keeps you out of trouble.



    Anyway, back to topic: something tells me that the iMac is just on the bubble of being tweaked, in some way. Large or small. I wouldn't buy an iMac in the next month, if you're truly concerned with "getting your fingers burned".
  • Reply 6 of 24
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    Deciding when to buy is always a tough one. You don't know if it's going to be a week, a month, or 4 months. But I do have a funny feeling that something is coming fairly soon for the ol' iMac...



    On the other hand, you've got a G5 who's value is going to take a hit when the updated G5s hit the streets, which adds to the painful decision making process. eBaying it now is probably a good idea, if you're worried about what kind of money you are going to get out of it. But I'm sure you don't want to go any entended period of time with no computer at home...



    Decisions, decisions. Pain in the ass, eh?



  • Reply 7 of 24
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    Listen to murbot. He knows what he's talking about.



    Murbot is good. Murbot is wise.
  • Reply 8 of 24
    messiahmessiah Posts: 1,689member
    I appreciate that Apple has to keep pushing the boundaries, and that there is a need for secrecy. I fully accepted that the 1.8GHz machine would be speed bumped at some point, and that my machines value would drop - but a 200% increase in processing power overnight? The value of my machine has been decimated!



    That's like Apple quietly announcing a Dual 4GHz machine for the same price as the Dual 2GHz. I've never known any other manufacturer to speed bump their line to such an extent. For me, the Apple brand has gone from being one of the lowest depreciating brands to by far the highest. You have to ask yourself just how much you want to risk investing in Apple kit. And yes, it is an investment.



    If I want to get rid of the machine on eBay, I'm going to have to price it lower than a boxed 1.6GHz machine, which has just been reduced to £1,399. Major ouch factor. I either take the hit now, or take an even bigger hit when the next wave of machines appears.



    Of course, I did benefit from the dramatic price increase of the 23" Cinema Display - so I guess that's the flip-side!



    I think I'll take your advice and hold off on the iMac for now. It would be strange for Apple to revise the iMac line so shortly after announcng the 20", but I wouldn't put it past them. The days of the six monthly updates seem to be long gone...
  • Reply 9 of 24
    rokrok Posts: 3,519member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    ...but, on balance, tracking release dates, being aware of upcoming major shows/events, following - to a degree - the talk around RESPECTABLE rumor sites who have a decent track record for accuracy (ThinkSecret and AppleInsider) usually keeps you out of trouble.



    i find macrumors.com to be really good to watch. they don't actually generate any rumors themselves; they only report on other sites' rumors, and try to cross-reference them with past accuracy. but the best part is that they keep track of the product refresh cycles, and give their best guess as to the next revision coming out for each model.



    sure, it's common sense, but i like someone else keeping track of those dates rather than doing it myself. sure, a surprise will occasionally sneak through, but that's why it's a surprise.
  • Reply 10 of 24
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Messiah

    I think I'll take your advice and hold off on the iMac for now. It would be strange for Apple to revise the iMac line so shortly after announcng the 20", but I wouldn't put it past them. The days of the six monthly updates seem to be long gone...



    I don't consider the addition of the 20-inch model to be a real revision of the line. If you ignore that model, a six- or seven-month feature revision should be coming this spring. (The last generation went seven months, after the interminable YEAR of the 700/800MHz line.)
  • Reply 11 of 24
    torifiletorifile Posts: 4,024member
    One thing is certain: the longer you wait after and announcement, the closer the next announcement is. Don't fret it. Are you buying to resell it or are you buying to use it? Think of it this way: If Apple had released the dual 1.8 G5's yesterday, your G5 would have taken the same hit. Apple updating their machines only affects you if you are going to try to sell in the near future. Otherwise enjoy what you got.
  • Reply 12 of 24
    messiahmessiah Posts: 1,689member
    Well it looks like the 20 iMac is out the box. I can't GIVE the bloody G5 and Cinema HD Display away on eBay.



    All I've had is a stream of eBay enquires telling me how the setup isn't worth anything near what I am asking...



    That's the last time I buy any Apple kit! What a waste of money...
  • Reply 13 of 24
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Messiah





    That's the last time I buy any Apple kit! What a waste of money...




    Yeah, cuz you know, apple stuff doesnt hold its value as long as other companies...
  • Reply 14 of 24
    well, what are you asking?
  • Reply 15 of 24
    messiahmessiah Posts: 1,689member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by The General

    Yeah, cuz you know, apple stuff doesnt hold its value as long as other companies...



    £1,849 computer that wouldn't fetch £1,249.



    £1,699 display that wouldn't fetch £1,049.



    £1,250 in three months? I'm glad you can afford to drop a minimum of £400 ($720) a month, because I can't.



  • Reply 16 of 24
    messiahmessiah Posts: 1,689member
    Jeez,



    I've just realised that I could have gone to the AppleStore each month, bought a 20" Cinema Display, and then thrown it out the window of my third floor apartment, and I would still be ahead by $40 a month.



    Repeat x3 months.



    This system has been such a good investment! I wish I'd bought two of them!
  • Reply 17 of 24
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    Messiah, shut up. And I truly mean that in the nicest way possible. You have a GREAT machine, and I don't see why you're getting so upset about this. An Apple computer is worth more than just its current resale value. You still have one of the best and fastest personal computers in the industry, so stop your bitching. You certainly can't expect anyone here to feel sorry for you, so you might as well spare yourself the effort.



    Sorry if that sounds bad, but give us a break, man!
  • Reply 18 of 24
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    Dude, if you were hell-bent on getting your money out of your G5 and display, you shouldn't have waited until what (probably) is the week before new G5s and displays come out. You're still going to do better right now than you will after the new ones are out, but most people are likely going to wait. Not a whole lot of G5 buyers right now.



    What's wrong with just KEEPING them? You don't lose your shirt, and you have a way better display and computer than the iMac is.



    If you bought it to use and enjoy it, just do that and nevermind with the iMac. If you bought it with plans to sell it, recoup all or most of your money, and get something else... you would have sold it in December like me.



  • Reply 19 of 24
    lainlain Posts: 140member
    It is a waste of money to buy a brand new G5 and display only to sell it second hand few months later to buy a brand new mac.



    Id just leave the G5 at home, as time passes it will age better, the iMac is already old.



    If u must have an iMac... how about you look for second hand models, ask the sellers why they are selling them, and the ones that say that they want to upgrade to something more powerfull, you could make a deal with... though I doubt there will be many second hand 20" iMac sellers this early.
  • Reply 20 of 24
    messiahmessiah Posts: 1,689member
    The 20" iMac is really all that I need for home use. I don't need a G5.



    The problem was that the 20" iMac wasn't available when I was looking for a new computer. I already had the 23" screen, so my choice was G4, or G5. And there weren't many G4s around.



    The current setup that I have was extremely expensive, and to be honest I don't push it hard enough to justify that expense.



    I shouldn't have bought the G5. Kings new clothes and all that. That was my mistake. I was hoping to get rid of it, make a reasonable loss, buy an iMac, and with the cash in hand, fund a website to showcase my portfolio and some business stationery. That way my money would be working harder for me...



    But you have to weigh up just how little cash in hand you are willing to settle for. Worst case scenario is a straight swap for an iMac. What's the point in that?



    So yes, I have a dream computer and I should enjoy it. But I won't be making the same mistakes the next time around...



    Thanks for all the replies guys... I know that deep down you all have my best interests at heart, and deep down I know that you guys are probably right about this. I'm just freaking out at the sums of money involved!



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