So (shortly after) March 26th seems likely, then? And the 3Ghz-"limit" will be broken in August.
What models will we see in March? dual 2Ghz, dual 2.2 and dual 2.4 Ghz? Or will they continue the dual 1.8 model, so the line will be dual 1.8, dual 2 and dual 2.2... Time will tell/show I guess. Seems like nobody knows this time.
Apple isn't going to wait a whole year (WWDC) to announce the Rev B g5's. They would lose a lot of business. I don't believe they've ever gone passed 8 months on a Revision since Jobs has come back... though I could be wrong.
Either way... Late March will be the latest. I wouldn't even consider Australia being a good judgement. First off apple doesn't ship new products internationally right away any ways... the g5's took until almost november to actually ship a nice quantity around the world. So by the time that deal ends Australia still won't have the new Rev B's.
There is so many people waiting for the Rev B's. There has been since the Rev A's were announced. Most people don't have that much faith to dump into a brand new product and therefor wait. Apple is not going to make them wait a whole year.
Let me put it this way... if apple DOES wait until WWDC to make the next powermac announcement... I'll never develop on a mac again.
Let me put it this way... if apple DOES wait until WWDC to make the next powermac announcement... I'll never develop on a mac again.
I think this is way over the top. The current crop of G5 are quite likely the stronges machines Apple has had since the days of the Quadra 840AV or even the IIfx (a monster for its time). They must have put massive effort into developing them and they have other lines to consider too. So, leave them at 2Ghz or up them to 2.2 Ghz top until the 975 allows for up to 3Ghz and then introduce a massive rev b with 2.2, 2.6 and 3.0Ghz.
That said, I expect a slight speed bump (1.8 - 2.2Ghz) in March/April.
I think this is way over the top. The current crop of G5 are quite likely the stronges machines Apple has had since the days of the Quadra 840AV or even the IIfx (a monster for its time).
There is absolutely no way apple will bump up 200mhz then 6 months later bump up to 3 ghz. I wouldn't put it passed apple to only bump up 200mhz but I seriously doubt it. I has been stated by Jobs himself that they had 3ghz machines running since last august. This suggests that it is all about yield. Bumping up 200mhz on these g5's would be a waste of time for apple. No one would buy them and just buy the dual 2ghz for way less money.
And you're right... I was a little over the top... but it shows me that apple cares more about other things then their powermac line, which consists of the users that support most of apple (Developers, Video Editors, Desktop Publishers, Sound Editors). Which out these people apple could have been gone a long time ago. My prediction (going against every rumor I've heard) is dual 2.5 ghz in Feb 15th-March 15th. I'm very confident they will bump that much. If they don't then I'll be waiting for Rev C's \
I just love the waiting game. Right now I'm considering to wait until the 3 GHz comes out & save up a little more money. When the time comes, I'll probably play the game a little longer. Though I would love to buy one right now, I have nothing that I really need it for. My old iMac DVSe still serves me nicely
Perhaps the fact that no new G5s were released when people were expecting/hoping bodes well; Apple, anxious to avoid the G5 introduction debacle, is waiting until there?s an actual inventory of new machines, so you can pay your money and actually get your computer in a day or two.
An even more interesting question, at least in my mind, is whether the new G5 towers will all be based on the 90n chip or whether there will be a mix of machines, perhaps a low-end single 2 MGh with the 130n chip in the dumbed down old 1.6 chasis; a dual 2.2 MGh, which could either be a 130n or 90n, and a dual 2.4 MGh 90n machine. Time will tell.
The month of February is still far too young for all of you to be giving up hope. I for one still believe that we will see Rev B this month. I imagine we'll see something like 2.0, DP 2.4 and DP 2.6 by mid-month, which will allow Apple to announce a 2.2, DP 2.6 and DP 3.0 at WWDC, although those Rev C machines won't ship until August or so.
And you're right... I was a little over the top... but it shows me that apple cares more about other things then their powermac line, which consists of the users that support most of apple (Developers, Video Editors, Desktop Publishers, Sound Editors). Which out these people apple could have been gone a long time ago. My prediction (going against every rumor I've heard) is dual 2.5 ghz in Feb 15th-March 15th. I'm very confident they will bump that much. If they don't then I'll be waiting for Rev C's \
What makes you believe that Apple is sitting on some new machine and refuses to sell it?
I have seen no tangible proof by anyone that IBM is even making chips greater than 2.0 GHz. The 90nm chips are only starting production and are being delivered to Apple shortly (see the 6-8 week delay on xServes). IBM's own PowerPC 970 servers top out at 1.6 GHz. The only proof of something faster than 2.0GHz is intelligently deducing that you will get an automatic boost in capability by going to 90nm. While true, has IBM done it?
I have seen nothing to indicate they have broken 2.0 GHz in a PRODUCTION chip. Does anyone actually have tangible proof other than just speculating that a 2.6GHz chip is the current top-end?
Apple may very well want to put out new machines but doesn't have a stable source of processors yet.
If you put it that way, we have no tangible proof that IBM is able to fab 90nm 970fx's at any clockspeed. The blade, and the Xserve G5, are paper releases.
If you put it that way, we have no tangible proof that IBM is able to fab 90nm 970fx's at any clockspeed. The blade, and the Xserve G5, are paper releases.
I think the point atomicham is trying to make is that whilst Apple have announced 2ghx xServer on 90nm, they are the first 90nm chips. I must say it seems a little odd that the move to 90nm doesn't result in a speed increase over the top end 130nm process. Clearly we don't know if they are sandbagging orif that is the best they can do right now.
Either way, I think we all thought that the first G5 speed bump would have happened by now. SJ gave us a 12 month time frame for a 1ghz jump, it is difficult to believe that Apple is going to do it in one leap.
Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Bumping up 200mhz on these g5's would be a waste of time for apple. No one would buy them and just buy the dual 2ghz for way less money.
Finally! Someone posts something on one of these boards you can take to the bank.A 2.2ghz top end doesnt make sense.If thats all they got Apple will wait till they can put out something worthy of an upgrade.
Fact A: When Apple first announced the G5s it was confident it would be able to provide the highest end 2GHz chips in sufficient quantity to provide for the DP configuration. (It didn't have to rescind that announcement.)
Fact B: SJ was confident enough in IBM's processor fabrication technology to pre-announce 3GHz machines. (Such confidence is only engendered by specific, tangible evidence.)
Fact C: A processor shrink always produces higher speed chips than its larger predecessor.
Conclusion: Higher clocked G5s will definitely be coming to a Mac soon enough.
Like it or not Apple and the powermac exist in a competitive market. they need to update their CPU speed to remain competitive. Having said this processing speed is not the only way for apple to remain competitive
Does ANYONE out ther have the ability to match the G5's CURRENT architecture and OS ? I think not. Apple knows this and knows that it is selling an intergrated solution. Even Apple innovates to beat the market not because we all think we all deserve an upgrade. I believe that apple will update when it suits them best say WWDC at best... Although like everything else on this post who know...
OMG Just realised you were indicating the apple Australia thought that they were in the know... Hate to break your heart.. Apple America ... yes sir.. the real deal...Apple Australia.... well they proberbly think that inifinate loop is a donut.... Have you ever spoken or unfortunately worked for those guys.... you must be kidding. Apple execs are told the same night as the release happens. Too much information for us here in Oz to handle apparently.... Good try though.
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What models will we see in March? dual 2Ghz, dual 2.2 and dual 2.4 Ghz? Or will they continue the dual 1.8 model, so the line will be dual 1.8, dual 2 and dual 2.2... Time will tell/show I guess. Seems like nobody knows this time.
Originally posted by ajprice
March 26th is my birthday too! Can't afford a G5 though
hehehehe...
me neither
I will put it on my wishlist though :-D
Either way... Late March will be the latest. I wouldn't even consider Australia being a good judgement. First off apple doesn't ship new products internationally right away any ways... the g5's took until almost november to actually ship a nice quantity around the world. So by the time that deal ends Australia still won't have the new Rev B's.
There is so many people waiting for the Rev B's. There has been since the Rev A's were announced. Most people don't have that much faith to dump into a brand new product and therefor wait. Apple is not going to make them wait a whole year.
Let me put it this way... if apple DOES wait until WWDC to make the next powermac announcement... I'll never develop on a mac again.
Apple isn't going to wait a whole year (WWDC) to announce the Rev B g5's.
I think its very possible.
Apple is very happy with what they have out and they don't seem to want to take the focus off the iPod anyways.
Whats depressing about this is that the iPod will not have near the run the Mac has. Not close.
But the move from computer company to music one is going to happen.
Originally posted by emig647
Let me put it this way... if apple DOES wait until WWDC to make the next powermac announcement... I'll never develop on a mac again.
I think this is way over the top. The current crop of G5 are quite likely the stronges machines Apple has had since the days of the Quadra 840AV or even the IIfx (a monster for its time). They must have put massive effort into developing them and they have other lines to consider too. So, leave them at 2Ghz or up them to 2.2 Ghz top until the 975 allows for up to 3Ghz and then introduce a massive rev b with 2.2, 2.6 and 3.0Ghz.
That said, I expect a slight speed bump (1.8 - 2.2Ghz) in March/April.
Originally posted by Smircle
I think this is way over the top. The current crop of G5 are quite likely the stronges machines Apple has had since the days of the Quadra 840AV or even the IIfx (a monster for its time).
There is absolutely no way apple will bump up 200mhz then 6 months later bump up to 3 ghz. I wouldn't put it passed apple to only bump up 200mhz but I seriously doubt it. I has been stated by Jobs himself that they had 3ghz machines running since last august. This suggests that it is all about yield. Bumping up 200mhz on these g5's would be a waste of time for apple. No one would buy them and just buy the dual 2ghz for way less money.
And you're right... I was a little over the top... but it shows me that apple cares more about other things then their powermac line, which consists of the users that support most of apple (Developers, Video Editors, Desktop Publishers, Sound Editors). Which out these people apple could have been gone a long time ago. My prediction (going against every rumor I've heard) is dual 2.5 ghz in Feb 15th-March 15th. I'm very confident they will bump that much. If they don't then I'll be waiting for Rev C's
An even more interesting question, at least in my mind, is whether the new G5 towers will all be based on the 90n chip or whether there will be a mix of machines, perhaps a low-end single 2 MGh with the 130n chip in the dumbed down old 1.6 chasis; a dual 2.2 MGh, which could either be a 130n or 90n, and a dual 2.4 MGh 90n machine. Time will tell.
Originally posted by emig647
And you're right... I was a little over the top... but it shows me that apple cares more about other things then their powermac line, which consists of the users that support most of apple (Developers, Video Editors, Desktop Publishers, Sound Editors). Which out these people apple could have been gone a long time ago. My prediction (going against every rumor I've heard) is dual 2.5 ghz in Feb 15th-March 15th. I'm very confident they will bump that much. If they don't then I'll be waiting for Rev C's
What makes you believe that Apple is sitting on some new machine and refuses to sell it?
I have seen no tangible proof by anyone that IBM is even making chips greater than 2.0 GHz. The 90nm chips are only starting production and are being delivered to Apple shortly (see the 6-8 week delay on xServes). IBM's own PowerPC 970 servers top out at 1.6 GHz. The only proof of something faster than 2.0GHz is intelligently deducing that you will get an automatic boost in capability by going to 90nm. While true, has IBM done it?
I have seen nothing to indicate they have broken 2.0 GHz in a PRODUCTION chip. Does anyone actually have tangible proof other than just speculating that a 2.6GHz chip is the current top-end?
Apple may very well want to put out new machines but doesn't have a stable source of processors yet.
Originally posted by Amorph
If you put it that way, we have no tangible proof that IBM is able to fab 90nm 970fx's at any clockspeed. The blade, and the Xserve G5, are paper releases.
Either way, I think we all thought that the first G5 speed bump would have happened by now. SJ gave us a 12 month time frame for a 1ghz jump, it is difficult to believe that Apple is going to do it in one leap.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Originally posted by emig647
Bumping up 200mhz on these g5's would be a waste of time for apple. No one would buy them and just buy the dual 2ghz for way less money.
Finally! Someone posts something on one of these boards you can take to the bank.A 2.2ghz top end doesnt make sense.If thats all they got Apple will wait till they can put out something worthy of an upgrade.
Fact B: SJ was confident enough in IBM's processor fabrication technology to pre-announce 3GHz machines. (Such confidence is only engendered by specific, tangible evidence.)
Fact C: A processor shrink always produces higher speed chips than its larger predecessor.
Conclusion: Higher clocked G5s will definitely be coming to a Mac soon enough.
Are there any flaws in my premises or conclusion?
Originally posted by Big Mac
Conclusion: Higher clocked G5s will definitely be coming to a Mac soon enough.
Are there any flaws in my premises or conclusion?
Well, no, with perhaps the exception of the "soon enough" part.
Does ANYONE out ther have the ability to match the G5's CURRENT architecture and OS ? I think not. Apple knows this and knows that it is selling an intergrated solution. Even Apple innovates to beat the market not because we all think we all deserve an upgrade. I believe that apple will update when it suits them best say WWDC at best... Although like everything else on this post who know...
Originally posted by orange whip
Apple Australia trade in offer ending 26 March 2004 may give some clues as to G5 upgrade in Australia??
...long wait....
[URL=http://www.apple.com.au/promo/tradeupg5/]
OMG