it was reported somewhere a few months ago that we knew where he was and they were waiting for the right time that would benefit bush. i don't have link but i think it discussed in another thread a while ago
The claim is attributed to "a well-placed intelligence source" in Washington, who is quoted as saying: "He (bin Laden) is boxed in."
The paper says the hostile terrain makes an all-out conventional military assault impossible. The plan to capture him would depend on a "grab-him-and-go" style operation.
"US helicopters already sited on the Afghanistan border will swoop in to extricate him," the newspaper says. It claims bin Laden and his men "sleep in caves or out in the open. The area is swept by fierce snow storms howling down from the 10,000ft-high mountain peaks. Donkeys are the only transport."
The special forces are "absolutely confident" there is no escape for bin Laden, and are awaiting the order to go in and get him.
"The timing of that order will ultimately depend on President Bush," the paper says. "Capturing bin Laden will certainly be a huge help for him as he gets ready for the election."
The article says bin Laden's movements are monitored by a National Security Agency satellite.
The only person quoted in that article, other than "the paper" is Richard Meyers. And the only quote specifically attributed to him is the word "intense."
This article is severely lacking any relevant and hard facts.
I'll add the end of the article that chu_bakka forgot *cough* to post
Quote:
On Thursday last week, General Richard Myers, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, said America had been engaged in "intense" efforts to capture bin Laden, who was believed to be hiding in the border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
But he insisted that the focus of the search had not narrowed for months.
The only person quoted in that article, other than "the paper" is Richard Meyers. And the only quote specifically attributed to him is the word "intense."
This article is severely lacking any relevant and hard facts.
Kinda like the Drudge article on Kerry and an "intern type problem"...
However intelligence informants have many more reasons to be "un named" versus a political rumor monger... unless of course you're Rove.
Well that's fine that you feel like that excerpt was expected and shouldn't be taken at face value, but if you're going to quote an article then in the interest of fairness and neutrality quote all parts of it, not just the ones that reinforce your position.
Kinda like the Drudge article on Kerry and an "intern type problem"...
However intelligence informants have many more reasons to be "un named" versus a political rumor monger... unless of course you're Rove.
If you're trying to imply I somehow support the Matt Drudge approach you are grasping at straws. This is completely off topic, but actually serves to reinforce my original point which is that articles with unnamed sources and no quotes are generally bunk.
I am just curious. Explain to me how, if UBL is captured, that will not help Bush? What date is the separator, when it will hurt as opposed to help GWB?
If you can answer those questions honestly, then the statement that "the military is waiting for the right moment to help Bush" to capture UBL, just seems like conspiracy rhetoric.
If/when they do get UBL, it will help Bush no matter what, and you guys will cry political opportunism. It is a divisive and inflammatory notion only bought into by extremists.
I didn't say there would be a BAD moment for him to capture OBL.
But there a various degrees of good timing. Ever heard of the term "ace up his sleeve"... this is the closest thing he has to one... if he has it at all.
It would be a good kickoff to the campaign season in August... or a very valuable October surprise.
I am just curious. Explain to me how, if UBL is captured, that will not help Bush? What date is the separator, when it will hurt as opposed to help GWB?
If you can answer those questions honestly, then the statement that "the military is waiting for the right moment to help Bush" to capture UBL, just seems like conspiracy rhetoric.
If/when they do get UBL, it will help Bush no matter what, and you guys will cry political opportunism. It is a divisive and inflammatory notion only bought into by extremists.
My .02
The way things are going after a certain point enough negative items will be racked up it won't matter. Hell, it might have helped more if he'd been caught last year before all this other stuff started coming out.
The way things are going after a certain point enough negative items will be racked up it won't matter. Hell, it might have helped more if he'd been caught last year before all this other stuff started coming out.
Exactly my point. You must make a huge leap and assume that GWB is pulling absolutely everyone's strings. I don't believe that for a second. I hope you do not either.
Maybe they could be waiting till they feel they can catch him alive, thus a huge blow to Al-Queda. Would this not also be wise?
The day they do catch UBL will be a good day for all peace loving people and also for GWB, even if he is not in office. There is no getting around it.
The fact you guys seem to overlook is that UBL (and SH) are effectively out of the big middle east picture now. UBL is hiding in caves and moving around just like SH was before he was caught. He and you and I know it is only a matter of time before he is caught or shot. I would not be surprised if he is caught in a little "spider hole" also.
These two very bad men have set an example for leaders around the world, that you support or perpetrate terrorism and you will have to live on the run in caves. Who wants that. I think it is a powerful message.
He will be captured between August and October, if he's able to be tracked and captured at all. Why that would be a surprise to anyone who follows this administration is beyond me.
Exactly my point. You must make a huge leap and assume that GWB is pulling absolutely everyone's strings. I don't believe that for a second. I hope you do not either.
Maybe they could be waiting till they feel they can catch him alive, thus a huge blow to Al-Queda. Would this not also be wise?
The day they do catch UBL will be a good day for all peace loving people and also for GWB, even if he is not in office. There is no getting around it.
The fact you guys seem to overlook is that UBL (and SH) are effectively out of the big middle east picture now. UBL is hiding in caves and moving around just like SH was before he was caught. He and you and I know it is only a matter of time before he is caught or shot. I would not be surprised if he is caught in a little "spider hole" also.
These two very bad men have set an example for leaders around the world, that you support or perpetrate terrorism and you will have to live on the run in caves. Who wants that. I think it is a powerful message.
Well I didn't say he wouldn't try it. When the ship's going down you'll try anything.
In other words even if Bin Laden is captured before the election, which is unquestionably a good thing, Bush will receive little credit from his detractors and will instead be accused of conspiring and deceiving. yay!
Well I didn't say he wouldn't try it. When the ship's going down you'll try anything.
You see jim it is these open ended vague inflammatory statements that make you seem quite foolish.
What ship is sinking?
His polls, his election hopes, his relationship with his wife? What?
As I recall, you say you supported the afghan war, and the hunt for UBL. I also recall that war started in 2001/2002. The hunt for UBL has been ongoing and a main objective of this president and his administration since that time.
So how exactly will he be trying "anything"?
So. he is going to catch UBL, which he said he would do anyway. He told all of america that he would hunt down terrorists where they are, and when he does, you are implying it is some sort of political ploy.
I'm sure politics plays a role in the renewed effort to capture Osama before the election. Remember how Bush signed certain parts of Patriot Act 2 through on the day that Saddam was captured? Probably not... it went under the media radar because of the Saddam story. It seems that the government is able to do things in plain sight and dismiss critics as conspiracy theorists because it's just seems too rediculous. There's always a little more to the story than what it is made out to be.
What's amazing is how jimmac and chu_bakka (along with most of the Democratic Party) are YET AGAIN underestimating Bush. According to them, he's nearly finished and is in "big trouble" politcally. This shows an utter ignorance of political history. Reagan was about where Bush is now at this point, as was Clinton. Assuming that getting UBL is the only way he can win (or that it's his only "ace") is incredibly naive.
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Originally posted by ShawnJ
We'll get him in October.
it was reported somewhere a few months ago that we knew where he was and they were waiting for the right time that would benefit bush. i don't have link but i think it discussed in another thread a while ago
The claim is attributed to "a well-placed intelligence source" in Washington, who is quoted as saying: "He (bin Laden) is boxed in."
The paper says the hostile terrain makes an all-out conventional military assault impossible. The plan to capture him would depend on a "grab-him-and-go" style operation.
"US helicopters already sited on the Afghanistan border will swoop in to extricate him," the newspaper says. It claims bin Laden and his men "sleep in caves or out in the open. The area is swept by fierce snow storms howling down from the 10,000ft-high mountain peaks. Donkeys are the only transport."
The special forces are "absolutely confident" there is no escape for bin Laden, and are awaiting the order to go in and get him.
"The timing of that order will ultimately depend on President Bush," the paper says. "Capturing bin Laden will certainly be a huge help for him as he gets ready for the election."
The article says bin Laden's movements are monitored by a National Security Agency satellite.
This article is severely lacking any relevant and hard facts.
On Thursday last week, General Richard Myers, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, said America had been engaged in "intense" efforts to capture bin Laden, who was believed to be hiding in the border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
But he insisted that the focus of the search had not narrowed for months.
and true... it could all be BS... but does anyone wanna take bets on when Osama WILL be caught... Can I bet on BEFORE NOVEMBER? hehe
Originally posted by rageous
The only person quoted in that article, other than "the paper" is Richard Meyers. And the only quote specifically attributed to him is the word "intense."
This article is severely lacking any relevant and hard facts.
Kinda like the Drudge article on Kerry and an "intern type problem"...
However intelligence informants have many more reasons to be "un named" versus a political rumor monger... unless of course you're Rove.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
Kinda like the Drudge article on Kerry and an "intern type problem"...
However intelligence informants have many more reasons to be "un named" versus a political rumor monger... unless of course you're Rove.
If you're trying to imply I somehow support the Matt Drudge approach you are grasping at straws. This is completely off topic, but actually serves to reinforce my original point which is that articles with unnamed sources and no quotes are generally bunk.
I am just curious. Explain to me how, if UBL is captured, that will not help Bush? What date is the separator, when it will hurt as opposed to help GWB?
If you can answer those questions honestly, then the statement that "the military is waiting for the right moment to help Bush" to capture UBL, just seems like conspiracy rhetoric.
If/when they do get UBL, it will help Bush no matter what, and you guys will cry political opportunism. It is a divisive and inflammatory notion only bought into by extremists.
My .02
Extremist? Please.
After what Reagan pulled with Iran?
I didn't say there would be a BAD moment for him to capture OBL.
But there a various degrees of good timing. Ever heard of the term "ace up his sleeve"... this is the closest thing he has to one... if he has it at all.
It would be a good kickoff to the campaign season in August... or a very valuable October surprise.
Originally posted by NaplesX
Chu..
I am just curious. Explain to me how, if UBL is captured, that will not help Bush? What date is the separator, when it will hurt as opposed to help GWB?
If you can answer those questions honestly, then the statement that "the military is waiting for the right moment to help Bush" to capture UBL, just seems like conspiracy rhetoric.
If/when they do get UBL, it will help Bush no matter what, and you guys will cry political opportunism. It is a divisive and inflammatory notion only bought into by extremists.
My .02
The way things are going after a certain point enough negative items will be racked up it won't matter. Hell, it might have helped more if he'd been caught last year before all this other stuff started coming out.
Originally posted by jimmac
The way things are going after a certain point enough negative items will be racked up it won't matter. Hell, it might have helped more if he'd been caught last year before all this other stuff started coming out.
Exactly my point. You must make a huge leap and assume that GWB is pulling absolutely everyone's strings. I don't believe that for a second. I hope you do not either.
Maybe they could be waiting till they feel they can catch him alive, thus a huge blow to Al-Queda. Would this not also be wise?
The day they do catch UBL will be a good day for all peace loving people and also for GWB, even if he is not in office. There is no getting around it.
The fact you guys seem to overlook is that UBL (and SH) are effectively out of the big middle east picture now. UBL is hiding in caves and moving around just like SH was before he was caught. He and you and I know it is only a matter of time before he is caught or shot. I would not be surprised if he is caught in a little "spider hole" also.
These two very bad men have set an example for leaders around the world, that you support or perpetrate terrorism and you will have to live on the run in caves. Who wants that. I think it is a powerful message.
Originally posted by NaplesX
Exactly my point. You must make a huge leap and assume that GWB is pulling absolutely everyone's strings. I don't believe that for a second. I hope you do not either.
Maybe they could be waiting till they feel they can catch him alive, thus a huge blow to Al-Queda. Would this not also be wise?
The day they do catch UBL will be a good day for all peace loving people and also for GWB, even if he is not in office. There is no getting around it.
The fact you guys seem to overlook is that UBL (and SH) are effectively out of the big middle east picture now. UBL is hiding in caves and moving around just like SH was before he was caught. He and you and I know it is only a matter of time before he is caught or shot. I would not be surprised if he is caught in a little "spider hole" also.
These two very bad men have set an example for leaders around the world, that you support or perpetrate terrorism and you will have to live on the run in caves. Who wants that. I think it is a powerful message.
Well I didn't say he wouldn't try it. When the ship's going down you'll try anything.
Originally posted by jimmac
Well I didn't say he wouldn't try it. When the ship's going down you'll try anything.
You see jim it is these open ended vague inflammatory statements that make you seem quite foolish.
What ship is sinking?
His polls, his election hopes, his relationship with his wife? What?
As I recall, you say you supported the afghan war, and the hunt for UBL. I also recall that war started in 2001/2002. The hunt for UBL has been ongoing and a main objective of this president and his administration since that time.
So how exactly will he be trying "anything"?
So. he is going to catch UBL, which he said he would do anyway. He told all of america that he would hunt down terrorists where they are, and when he does, you are implying it is some sort of political ploy.
I think we know where Bush's priorities are. NOT in Afghanistan.
When was the last time Bush mentioned Osama?