I bet on Edwards: second in the running, that positive message thing, he's from the South, and he should bring out the women voters with those modest good looks just like Dan Quayle. (Yes, that's a joke. )
I bet on Edwards: second in the running, that positive message thing, he's from the South, and he should bring out the women voters with those modest good looks just like Dan Quayle. (Yes, that's a joke. )
This is a little off topic, but can you pick a former two-term president to be your running mate? But if he's already served two terms and then he's VP and then something happens to the President and VP has to take over, would that count as a third term? Just curious.
As for Kerry's choices, I'm guessing either Edwards or the governor of New Mexico whose name escapes me at the moment.
Bill Richardson has repeatedly said he wants to finish out his term as Governor and that he doesn't want to be considered, but his name keeps coming up. Very interesting.
Well, that's better than voting for Bush, Existence, which is exactly where your vote will go. I love outraged voters who contribute to their own dismal circumstances.
This is a little off topic, but can you pick a former two-term president to be your running mate? But if he's already served two terms and then he's VP and then something happens to the President and VP has to take over, would that count as a third term? Just curious.
As for Kerry's choices, I'm guessing either Edwards or the governor of New Mexico whose name escapes me at the moment.
I thought someone would have brought up the 12th amendment of the US Constitution so we could have a good Constitutional debate.
It reads:
Quote:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Then there is the 22nd amendment which reads:
Quote:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
So there would be a major debate if Clinton was ever put in the position of trying to run for Vice President since some people would say that President Clinton, having served 2 terms, would therefore be 'constitutionally ineligible'. However, the 12th amendment was created to prevent those who don't meet the requirements of being President from running (such as foreign born, not 35 years of age, etc.), so the opposing side would say that the term limits of being President should not prevent a former President from running for Vice President. Oh well, ramble over.
I thought someone would have brought up the 12th amendment of the US Constitution so we could have a good Constitutional debate.
It reads:
Then there is the 22nd amendment which reads:
So there would be a major debate if Clinton was ever put in the position of trying to run for Vice President since some people would say that President Clinton, having served 2 terms, would therefore be 'constitutionally ineligible'. However, the 12th amendment was created to prevent those who don't meet the requirements of being President from running (such as foreign born, not 35 years of age, etc.), so the opposing side would say that the term limits of being President should not prevent a former President from running for Vice President. Oh well, ramble over.
hmmm...I didn't know about the 12th amendment business. Seems pretty cut and dry, doesn't it? The amendments are part of the Constitution, therefore it would seem Clinton would be 'constitutionally ineligble".
There is no way he picks Edwards. A 2 senator ticket is hard to sell and Kerry's polling shows that he is not helped by Edwards in the South.
I think Graham (remember - former Gov. of Florida, so he's not just a Senator) helps Kerry with the Intelligence end, and in Florida, where Graham is still quite popular. Clark would be an obvious choice, too, but we'll see if he goes back on his "I won't be vice pres" rhetoric.
Plus Clark can tap into the "Deaniac" base. The others can't.
Huh?
Clark was Republican.
I hope Kerry picks Clark. They would crush Bush. And Bush needs a crushing. Let's see, defense...The guy who skipped out of the Texas Air National Guard in Nam to smoke doobies, or Wes Clark and Senator Kerry?
Plus Clark has the cool wearing all black thing going on. bonus points.
I always thought Edwards was the perfect VP material since most of the other candidates were from the north. However, some people are saying that they may just give up on the south and focus on the midwest.
Gephart is a good man, but I'm uninspired by him. He is part of the Demos-in-power that completely blew the midterm elections.
Graham-did so poorly in the primaries that he has looser written all over him.
I think Richardson is a likely candidate.
No way to any North Eastern and or liberal demo, since that is the image they are trying to offset-sorry Hilary.
I've always liked DiFi, but if the Demo's don't already have Ca then they aren't going to make it anyway.
They need one of those states in the middle. Had Gore won his home state (what were they thinking in Tennessee?) that would have been enough.
other thing about a running mate -- they must be able to go head-to-head with cheney (who i am assumign will be the running mate). i just don't see clark as handling himself that well in the political spotlight. he well-meaning, military prestige, etc. but he's also got "dork" written all over him when he opens his mouth. edwards, for all his bravado, is still an attorney and knows how to talk the talk when everything is on the line. the man is, as stu scott from espn would say, "cool as the other side of the pillow."
kerry/edwards. just give me anyone i can feel inspired by. gephardt would be a thud. any clinton would be high, high risk.
You're saying the most decorated officer in the US Army since Eisenhower comes off as a dork?
The thing is, Clark has some amazing stories of heroism that he didn't really share with the public on the campaign trail. There were a few times where people involved in the incidents spoke on his behalf, but some of those stories were just amazing.
For example, Clark was travelling in the Balkans when the convoy he was travelling in came under attack. The vehicle in front of General Clark's went crashing down a cliffside as a result. While still under fire, General Clark attached a rope to his vehicle and scaled down the cliffside to see if anyone in the other vehicle had survived. He found his friend in the vehicle was already dead. At the funeral, he walked over to the widow, who was the one who was telling this story at a Clark rally, and placed her husband's wedding ring into her hand.
Clark holds honorary titles in many countries around the world. He has tremendous foreign policy experience and few people (if any) know the military better than he does. Clark brings a different type of experience to the table than John Edwards does, and one can argue that Clark did as well in the primaries as Edwards, but that Clark knew when it was time to get out of the race. Both only one state, after all, and the state Edwards won was 'must win'. In most contests, Clark edged Edwards out.
Don't forget that Clark won the South Carolina debate and that he could destroy Cheney in the Vice Presidential debate. After all, the issues Cheney wants to address in the campaign (national/homeland security, defense, etc.) are the issues that Clark knows very well. Plus, if it comes down to looking at the VP as a consideration for you are going to vote for, it's going to be the 'former CEO of Halliburton' vs. the 'Four Star General'.
i don't think it counts as taking the high road if you tell us what you are doing.
Well!
Far be it from me to be perceived as taking the high road....
Fran441 said this:
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My money is on Wesley Clark.
What would be really interesting is if Clinton was picked as VP. I'm not talking about Hillary Clinton, but Bill Clinton. It would never happen, but I'd like to see it just to see the Republicans heads burst.
I thought better of voicing my opinion: "If Hillary Clinton is the VP Candidate, then, given the fact of Vice Presidential Succession, it won't be a Republican's head that will be burst."
Wasn't going to say it, wanted to see a calm, peaceful, happy thread, but you just had to see it, din'tcha?
I think that the Demo VP candidate will be Edwards. Nice unifying move, just the right amount of smooth suth'r'n sleeze, all coming together to defeat the Great Satan.
You're saying the most decorated officer in the US Army since Eisenhower comes off as a dork?
I think Clark is a much better man than he came across as in the campaign. You don't become a General by being a dork, agreed. The problem is that he got in too late and wasn't prepared. He needed a bit more practice in answering questions. I never got the feeling that he was doing a good job in the debates. Maybe Clark for secretary of state?
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
I bet on Edwards: second in the running, that positive message thing, he's from the South, and he should bring out the women voters with those modest good looks just like Dan Quayle.
I say keep your eye on Hill.
As for Kerry's choices, I'm guessing either Edwards or the governor of New Mexico whose name escapes me at the moment.
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Originally posted by Existence
I expect Kerry to pick a Bush-lite. Probably Edwards or Graham.
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Well, that's better than voting for Bush, Existence, which is exactly where your vote will go. I love outraged voters who contribute to their own dismal circumstances.
He will give Kerry what Johnson gave Kennedy - and that ticket won.
Originally posted by Naderfan
This is a little off topic, but can you pick a former two-term president to be your running mate? But if he's already served two terms and then he's VP and then something happens to the President and VP has to take over, would that count as a third term? Just curious.
As for Kerry's choices, I'm guessing either Edwards or the governor of New Mexico whose name escapes me at the moment.
Yes...Clinton could be selected.
I thought someone would have brought up the 12th amendment of the US Constitution so we could have a good Constitutional debate.
It reads:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Then there is the 22nd amendment which reads:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
So there would be a major debate if Clinton was ever put in the position of trying to run for Vice President since some people would say that President Clinton, having served 2 terms, would therefore be 'constitutionally ineligible'. However, the 12th amendment was created to prevent those who don't meet the requirements of being President from running (such as foreign born, not 35 years of age, etc.), so the opposing side would say that the term limits of being President should not prevent a former President from running for Vice President. Oh well, ramble over.
Originally posted by Fran441
Darn, no one responded to my Clinton comments.
I thought someone would have brought up the 12th amendment of the US Constitution so we could have a good Constitutional debate.
It reads:
Then there is the 22nd amendment which reads:
So there would be a major debate if Clinton was ever put in the position of trying to run for Vice President since some people would say that President Clinton, having served 2 terms, would therefore be 'constitutionally ineligible'. However, the 12th amendment was created to prevent those who don't meet the requirements of being President from running (such as foreign born, not 35 years of age, etc.), so the opposing side would say that the term limits of being President should not prevent a former President from running for Vice President. Oh well, ramble over.
hmmm...I didn't know about the 12th amendment business. Seems pretty cut and dry, doesn't it? The amendments are part of the Constitution, therefore it would seem Clinton would be 'constitutionally ineligble".
I think Graham (remember - former Gov. of Florida, so he's not just a Senator) helps Kerry with the Intelligence end, and in Florida, where Graham is still quite popular. Clark would be an obvious choice, too, but we'll see if he goes back on his "I won't be vice pres" rhetoric.
Hillary would be suicide.
Thoth.
Plus Clark can tap into the "Deaniac" base. The others can't.
Huh?
Clark was Republican.
I hope Kerry picks Clark. They would crush Bush. And Bush needs a crushing. Let's see, defense...The guy who skipped out of the Texas Air National Guard in Nam to smoke doobies, or Wes Clark and Senator Kerry?
Plus Clark has the cool wearing all black thing going on. bonus points.
Gephart is a good man, but I'm uninspired by him. He is part of the Demos-in-power that completely blew the midterm elections.
Graham-did so poorly in the primaries that he has looser written all over him.
I think Richardson is a likely candidate.
No way to any North Eastern and or liberal demo, since that is the image they are trying to offset-sorry Hilary.
I've always liked DiFi, but if the Demo's don't already have Ca then they aren't going to make it anyway.
They need one of those states in the middle. Had Gore won his home state (what were they thinking in Tennessee?) that would have been enough.
Clinton would make my head explode (either one).
Clark is a guy who I wouldn't mind as VP
Sharpton is the clear choice after Edwards. I need to be entertained by the political process. Sharpton is it baby.
kerry/edwards. just give me anyone i can feel inspired by. gephardt would be a thud. any clinton would be high, high risk.
The thing is, Clark has some amazing stories of heroism that he didn't really share with the public on the campaign trail. There were a few times where people involved in the incidents spoke on his behalf, but some of those stories were just amazing.
For example, Clark was travelling in the Balkans when the convoy he was travelling in came under attack. The vehicle in front of General Clark's went crashing down a cliffside as a result. While still under fire, General Clark attached a rope to his vehicle and scaled down the cliffside to see if anyone in the other vehicle had survived. He found his friend in the vehicle was already dead. At the funeral, he walked over to the widow, who was the one who was telling this story at a Clark rally, and placed her husband's wedding ring into her hand.
Clark holds honorary titles in many countries around the world. He has tremendous foreign policy experience and few people (if any) know the military better than he does. Clark brings a different type of experience to the table than John Edwards does, and one can argue that Clark did as well in the primaries as Edwards, but that Clark knew when it was time to get out of the race. Both only one state, after all, and the state Edwards won was 'must win'. In most contests, Clark edged Edwards out.
Don't forget that Clark won the South Carolina debate and that he could destroy Cheney in the Vice Presidential debate. After all, the issues Cheney wants to address in the campaign (national/homeland security, defense, etc.) are the issues that Clark knows very well. Plus, if it comes down to looking at the VP as a consideration for you are going to vote for, it's going to be the 'former CEO of Halliburton' vs. the 'Four Star General'.
Kerry should pick Clark.
Originally posted by progmac
i don't think it counts as taking the high road if you tell us what you are doing.
Well!
Far be it from me to be perceived as taking the high road....
Fran441 said this:
My money is on Wesley Clark.
What would be really interesting is if Clinton was picked as VP. I'm not talking about Hillary Clinton, but Bill Clinton. It would never happen, but I'd like to see it just to see the Republicans heads burst.
I thought better of voicing my opinion: "If Hillary Clinton is the VP Candidate, then, given the fact of Vice Presidential Succession, it won't be a Republican's head that will be burst."
Wasn't going to say it, wanted to see a calm, peaceful, happy thread, but you just had to see it, din'tcha?
I think that the Demo VP candidate will be Edwards. Nice unifying move, just the right amount of smooth suth'r'n sleeze, all coming together to defeat the Great Satan.
Aries 1B
Originally posted by Fran441
You're saying the most decorated officer in the US Army since Eisenhower comes off as a dork?
I think Clark is a much better man than he came across as in the campaign. You don't become a General by being a dork, agreed. The problem is that he got in too late and wasn't prepared. He needed a bit more practice in answering questions. I never got the feeling that he was doing a good job in the debates. Maybe Clark for secretary of state?
Originally posted by SDW2001
She'll run in 2008. No question.
am i missing somthing