Kerry a liar?

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  • Reply 1 of 162
    billybobskybillybobsky Posts: 1,914member
    Strategic error on Kerry's part. Good call by republicans, Kerry will now look like a liar because he realizes naming names is idiotic at this juncture...
  • Reply 2 of 162
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    isn't everyone a liar?
  • Reply 3 of 162
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    I don't quite get the point of why Republicans are exploiting this. 1) It's undoubtedly true that most foreign leaders welcome a Kerry Presidency because he has made explicit overtures to mend relations between the US and the world. Kerry has said he wants to work with our country's allies and has emphasized the value of allies generally speaking. Now that's clearly in marked contrast from our current President and his administration, who generally de-emphasized the value of allies namely through his "either with us or against us," go-it alone (without the support any international organization of states like UN or NATO) foreign policy. 2) Republicans have argued against "needing the approval of another state" to conduct foreign policy and otherwise, so for the sake consistency, shouldn't they attack Kerry's statement as a "clear sign that he will weaken our national security by requiring our country to sign a permission slip to conduct foreign policy." Hmm- yes- foreign leaders support Kerry, but I think that should be a bad thing based on what Republicans have argued for the past 3 or 4 years.
  • Reply 4 of 162
    Quote:

    Originally posted by alcimedes

    isn't everyone a liar?



    I am not! Liar!
  • Reply 5 of 162
    jubelumjubelum Posts: 4,490member
    Kinda like when Dean "suggested that America should be planning for a time when it is not the world's greatest superpower: 'We have to take a different approach [to diplomacy]. We won't always have the strongest military.' "



    Here, let me close that door so you can open it into your face again...





    All these candidates are going to say stuuuuupid things... Bushie ain't too far, just wait. He may say stupud things like the "imports" comment, but Kerry does not back up what he says with his meanie face. Like "who are the 'crooks' and what have they done" and "what international leaders" ?



    C'mon Johnnie. Play ball when you flap your elitist northeastern gums.



    The title of this thread is a no-brainer. All politicians lie. All of them. It is called "electibility." Of what I have seen, the only one that is honest about who and what he is- is "NADAR."
  • Reply 6 of 162
    drewpropsdrewprops Posts: 2,321member
    I think you answered your own question with the second point Shawn. It's like a business letter; if you want to convey ONE single idea then that's all you cover in your letter, otherwise the other items get lost in the rush.



    Count on argument #2 to land this week.





    And yes, this has made Kerry look silly even if it is true that he's heard these explicit statements from leaders currently in power. If it looks like the world landscape is shifting to socialist governments (ala Spain) then you can count on that only adding to the liberal badge being stuck to Senator Kerry's previously wrinkled forehead.



    And check it out, we have seven or eight more months of this fun!!
  • Reply 7 of 162
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Kerry is a liar,, but i cant blame him, he watched Clinton for 8 yrs, apperantly he missed a few Clinton workshops on talking from both sides of the mouth, his biggest downfall, however, (other than being an anti-war liberal)is his personality, he is 180 degrees from clinton, a stone-faced, eleatist nose-in-the-air i-am-better than-you, mass. liberal with the voice of a comedore 64.
  • Reply 8 of 162
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    This election is going to be between Dumb and Dumberer.
  • Reply 9 of 162
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Messiahtosh

    This election is going to be between Dumb and Dumberer.



    who is whom (dare i ask)

    in reality, I think it is more about good and evil, one would, admittedly, slam the breaks on the war on terror thus the terrorists win.
  • Reply 10 of 162
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,026member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    I don't quite get the point of why Republicans are exploiting this. 1) It's undoubtedly true that most foreign leaders welcome a Kerry Presidency because he has made explicit overtures to mend relations between the US and the world. Kerry has said he wants to work with our country's allies and has emphasized the value of allies generally speaking. Now that's clearly in marked contrast from our current President and his administration, who generally de-emphasized the value of allies namely through his "either with us or against us," go-it alone (without the support any international organization of states like UN or NATO) foreign policy. 2) Republicans have argued against "needing the approval of another state" to conduct foreign policy and otherwise, so for the sake consistency, shouldn't they attack Kerry's statement as a "clear sign that he will weaken our national security by requiring our country to sign a permission slip to conduct foreign policy." Hmm- yes- foreign leaders support Kerry, but I think that should be a bad thing based on what Republicans have argued for the past 3 or 4 years.



    Wow. Why are they exploiting it? Probably the same reason you're running around screaming "where are the WOMD?" Give me a break. The Republicans are exploiting this because:



    1) They can make Kerry look like the fool that he for making the statement.



    2) The wish to dispel, rightfully, the notion that "we have no allies left". This

    is nothing but a myth. We have not alienated the entire world as you'd like

    to claim we have. It simply isn't true. What we did have is a pacisfist,

    corrupt third rate power (which was directly tied to Saddam)

    actively campaigning against our agenda. Ally? No. Allies don't do that.
  • Reply 11 of 162
    jubelumjubelum Posts: 4,490member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by a_greer

    a comedore 64.



    I was thinking a Trash80...





    With his friend Tom Daschle, voice-over by HAL



    "Hello, electorate... This is Tom..."
  • Reply 12 of 162
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Jubelum

    I was thinking a Trash80...





    With his friend Tom Daschle, voice-over by HAL



    "Hello, electorate... This is Tom..."




    that is great
  • Reply 13 of 162
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by SDW2001



    ...

    2) The wish to dispel, rightfully, the notion that "we have no allies left". This

    is nothing but a myth. We have not alienated the entire world as you'd like

    to claim we have. It simply isn't true. What we did have is a pacisfist,





    untill the whole spain thing this weekend the dems biched pissed and moaned about being unilateral, and now all of the sudden we lost our greatest Ally? we had these? the libs paint themselves into corners every week now. all bush needs to do is let kerry talk all the time, and occasinaly chime in and point out his lies and/or double talk
  • Reply 14 of 162
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    Na-dar, NAA-dar, NAA-DAR!



  • Reply 15 of 162
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    Democrats think they are Democrats based on a definition that they think it stands for. By being a democrat one thinks that they represent change, and forward thinking policy. They think that a Democrat has a responsibility for the common man, and they want to fight the evil capitalist who wants nothing but to hoard money at the expense of others. Big government control against less government and business.



    The Republicans stand for the equal oppertunity to all people, not equal outcome. No child left behind, and the like are all issues supported by Republicans. People are so confused now-a-days about who and what they are and what they stand for.



    John Kerry is running his campaign on a class warfare strategy, pitting the common person against the evil capitalist and "top 10%" Republican. By appealing to the lower class and middle class, Kerry assumes he will garner a large vote-which is a good strategy, but not at all true to his party. People should not be fooled by the fact that Kerry is a high class citizen and he is going out and campaigning for the little guy, while not even accurately representing the little guy at all. Not to say that George Bush does, but in terms of policy to help the lower class, both are very similar.



    Also, lets look at Kerry's do-nothing career as a junior senator. He has 3 pieces of minor legislation to his name, a complete and total joke. He is not the forward thinking, radical changing guy that Democrats think or want to believe he is. He's just another guy with money, preaching to a class he is not apart of and trying to create a them vs us mentality between classes.



    I wont buy it, and I wont vote for John Kerry.
  • Reply 16 of 162
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Worst. Analysis. Ever.
  • Reply 17 of 162
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,026member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    Worst. Analysis. Ever.



    This from a former Deaniac. Yeeeah!
  • Reply 18 of 162
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    Worst. Analysis. Ever.



    How is this so? Is John Kerry not trying to benefit from the uneducated and minor anger wave in some of the classes and bolster himself into a position of power based on emotion and backwards thinking?



    "We'll take some from here, move it over here, take that over there and build this up over here-ahhhh it all looks even now."---That is not the America I want to live in.
  • Reply 19 of 162
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Messiahtosh

    ...

    John Kerry is running his campaign on a class warfare strategy, pitting the common person against the evil capitalist and "top 10%" Republican. By appealing to the lower class and middle class, Kerry assumes he will garner a large vote-which is a good strategy, but not at all true to his party. People should not be fooled by the fact that Kerry is a high class citizen and he is going out and campaigning for the little guy, while not even accurately representing the little guy at all. Not to say that George Bush does, but in terms of policy to help the lower class, both are very similar....




    well if you listen to John kerry you would never know how he affords his toys, his sugar-mamma, Theresa, the ketchup babe(I use the term loosely), and a BILLIONAIR so the choir that he preaches to should hate him....or are they even true to themselves anymore?
  • Reply 20 of 162
    messiahtoshmessiahtosh Posts: 1,754member
    Exactly, and the uneducated people in America do not know any better. They think, "this guy will help me get more money-I dont know how but he says he will." Pfft!



    I'm sick of the media calling Bush ads, "Mud Slinging." His ads talk about things he should be proud of, like keeping America safe and keeping the economy relatively stable considering the issues that have had to have been dealt with. Never before has a country, in the history of the world had so much power and abused it less. I am glad Bush is trumpeting his successes in defense.



    I also love how the Democrats claim that the job market and the economy overall is a wasteland, especially considering the employment rate is nearly at full employment.
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