Yeah probably not a good idea LOL... I think he needs to get a job or something... and I should be doing mine :P
oh, I'm more than comfortable at work. And considering that this week I close on a nice ivy covered landmark home 100 ft from lake michigan, it's pretty clear that I'm doing just fine.
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And yet the best you came up with some lefty site with "a former CIA chief" that says a comment about it being so "hollywood"? That WAS the quote you decided to highlight...
Originally posted by giant oh, I'm more than comfortable at work. And considering that this week I close on a nice ivy covered landmark home 100 ft from lake michigan, it's pretty clear that I'm doing just fine.
Congrats I suppose. I just figured with as many posts as you do, you must have a lotta time on your hands. I have to try to curb my posting habit or I'll never get anything done. Evil evil AppleOutsider forum.
So let's see here. On Feb 15, 1991 Bush called on the Iraqis to rise up. Leaflets were passed around with Bush's words on it and the uprising started at the beginning of march, fully expecting US backing. Then the cease-fire was signed by Schwartzkopf that included permission for the Iraqis to fly helicopters over rebel-controlled regions, allowing the Iraqis to attack. Finally, the US, concerned about a divided Iraq and break-up of the coalition, decided not to support the rebellion.
It's pretty clearly the US's fault. You simply don't know anything about this.
One slight clarification. Those 'copters were armed. Something that Schwartzkopf balked at. They requested these at the signing of the cease-fire (something about using them to rescue people and other "humanitarian" reasons). They said arming them would helpful in protecting the pilots. At first we immediately said no. But, I'm not sure why...we decided to give them...and they were used them to wipe out the rebels...smart move Schwartzkopf(?)...
Anybody see this article: HERE that talks about how the Shia seem to be lending both military and humanitarian aid to the Sunni's in Baghdad and Fallujah . ..
It seems that the only thing unifying them is a common hatred of the US . . .
Didn't take long for them to forget the tyrant . . .
I keep wondering, not that it isn't good that they are out from under Saddam, but so many have been killed recently and during the first days of the war . . . many more than our news will tell us, just check other sources - I keep wondering: would Saddam have killed and wounded this many in this time span?
I do think that if things could settle down it would be a good thing in the long run . . . but then again that is the 'post-enlightenment' European rationalist mindset thinking "rationally" about a part of the world that is not European in cultural reference frame-mindset . . . . so who knows?
I know one thing . . . many people said this would happen and the reasons were simple: Bush and gang's vision of the Middle-Eastern mind-set had no basis in reality . . . .hmm, I even remember a long thread about that started because of a Camille Paglia article . . . \
... It seems all this is merely to get past the Arbain festival. Reports from a correspondent also on Cole's blog suggest that the US have decided to enter Najaf (where the pilgrims are and where Sadr is installed in the mosque) in four days time...
Gen. Thomas McInerney (ret.) said this was the plan on Fox News a couple of days ago.
but before I go.....my finger slipped and open this from andrewsullivan.com
THE PASSION OF IRAQ: Iraq has been a free country for a single year after decades of fascism, mass murder, communal paranoia, hysteria, random violence, and economic collapse. Did we expect the place to become Toledo overnight? The closer we get to transferring power, the more the extremist factions need to prevent a peaceful transition and establish their own power bases for the next phase. The closer we get to a self-governing Arab state, the more terrified Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas and the rest will be that their alternatives - theocratic fascism and medieval economics - will look pathetic in comparison. There are millions of people in Iraq who need us now more than ever. Their future and our future are entwined. Which is why we have to keep our nerve, put down these insurrections with focussed ferocity, and move relentlessly toward self-rule. It may be dark this Friday, but Christians are told that a new day will dawn. Not in three days. But in time. If we keep our nerve.
The closer we get to transferring power, the more the extremist factions need to prevent a peaceful transition and establish their own power bases for the next phase. The closer we get to a self-governing Arab state, the more terrified Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas and the rest will be that their alternatives - theocratic fascism and medieval economics - will look pathetic in comparison.
The closer we get to the Magic Mickey Mouse Date set to fit in with the Bush reelection campaign, you mean... I'm afraid this date will blow up right in the face of the occupying forces.
The four Americans burned alive and ripped apart by a savage mob in Fallujah were apparently lured into an ambush by mujahideen posing as Iraqi Civil Defense members. This was a well planed, premeditated, murder. Of course, the cameramen just happened to be wandering by. What a coincidence - If I only didn't know better.
The closer we get to the Magic Mickey Mouse Date set to fit in with the Bush reelection campaign, you mean...
Let's not forget what Chalabi himself said:
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?The whole thing was set up so President Bush could come to the airport in October for a ceremony to congratulate the new Iraqi government. When you work backwards from that, you understand the dates the Americans were insisting on.?
The four Americans burned alive and ripped apart by a savage mob in Fallujah were apparently lured into an ambush by mujahideen posing as Iraqi Civil Defense members. This was a well planed, premeditated, murder. Of course, the cameramen just happened to be wandering by. What a coincidence - If I only didn't know better.
Your paranoia doesn't mean you're not right. at least partially.
The people fighting against the occupation are not fools. They knew these pictures would have a devastating effect on the "coalition". Like the new tactic of hostage-taking has.
When the three japanese hostages are killed (maybe tomorrow?) and their execution broadcast shortly thereafter, this will be devastating for Japan. The country is already deeply devided on the participation in the occupation. So much actually that their soldiers are only there on a "humanitarian mission".
My guess is we will see a lot more of this in the days to come.
The four Americans burned alive and ripped apart by a savage mob in Fallujah were apparently lured into an ambush by mujahideen posing as Iraqi Civil Defense members. This was a well planed, premeditated, murder. Of course, the cameramen just happened to be wandering by. What a coincidence - If I only didn't know better.
And not only that.. they are not allowd to defend themselves. If they are being attacked they are counting on the Dutch to protect them..
I think that is a misconception, the norwegian forces are there on the same "humanitarian" mandate. They are under british control and protection. But they are allowed to defend themeselves, though only when directly attacked.
BTW, the norwegian forces are being withdrawn this summer. The norwegian government are not sending new ones.
Your paranoia doesn't mean you're not right. at least partially.
It's not paranoia. It's well born out experience. Since 1979 the Saudis have spent over 70 billion USD to make sure it is so. I would guess this is the largest propaganda campaign in history. Outstripping even the Soviet efforts during the Cold War.
It's not paranoia. It's well born out experience. Since 1979 the Saudis have spent over 70 billion USD to make sure it is so. I would guess this is the largest propaganda campaign in history. Outstripping even the Soviet efforts during the Cold War.
Right, BBC is an arab propaganda tool.
Talking about isreal and the media, how is the army censorship doing these days?
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Originally posted by dviant
Yeah probably not a good idea LOL... I think he needs to get a job or something... and I should be doing mine :P
oh, I'm more than comfortable at work. And considering that this week I close on a nice ivy covered landmark home 100 ft from lake michigan, it's pretty clear that I'm doing just fine.
And yet the best you came up with some lefty site with "a former CIA chief" that says a comment about it being so "hollywood"? That WAS the quote you decided to highlight...
"lefty site"
Originally posted by giant oh, I'm more than comfortable at work. And considering that this week I close on a nice ivy covered landmark home 100 ft from lake michigan, it's pretty clear that I'm doing just fine.
Congrats I suppose. I just figured with as many posts as you do, you must have a lotta time on your hands. I have to try to curb my posting habit or I'll never get anything done. Evil evil AppleOutsider forum.
Originally posted by dviant
Congrats I suppose. I just figured with as many posts as you do, you must have a lotta time on your hands.
Just ADD, ability to multitask, a good knowledge of resources and very fast typing.
Originally posted by giant
That was a great read.
he forgot the part about the french invading England in 1066 and actually establishing what is now Britain.
Originally posted by giant
So let's see here. On Feb 15, 1991 Bush called on the Iraqis to rise up. Leaflets were passed around with Bush's words on it and the uprising started at the beginning of march, fully expecting US backing. Then the cease-fire was signed by Schwartzkopf that included permission for the Iraqis to fly helicopters over rebel-controlled regions, allowing the Iraqis to attack. Finally, the US, concerned about a divided Iraq and break-up of the coalition, decided not to support the rebellion.
It's pretty clearly the US's fault. You simply don't know anything about this.
One slight clarification. Those 'copters were armed. Something that Schwartzkopf balked at. They requested these at the signing of the cease-fire (something about using them to rescue people and other "humanitarian" reasons). They said arming them would helpful in protecting the pilots. At first we immediately said no. But, I'm not sure why...we decided to give them...and they were used them to wipe out the rebels...smart move Schwartzkopf(?)...
Originally posted by New
he forgot the part about the french invading England in 1066 and actually establishing what is now Britain.
He also didn't mention the Battle of Marignano (1515) in which invincible Switzerland was defeated once and for all by Francis 1.
It seems that the only thing unifying them is a common hatred of the US . . .
Didn't take long for them to forget the tyrant . . .
I keep wondering, not that it isn't good that they are out from under Saddam, but so many have been killed recently and during the first days of the war . . . many more than our news will tell us, just check other sources - I keep wondering: would Saddam have killed and wounded this many in this time span?
I do think that if things could settle down it would be a good thing in the long run . . . but then again that is the 'post-enlightenment' European rationalist mindset thinking "rationally" about a part of the world that is not European in cultural reference frame-mindset . . . . so who knows?
I know one thing . . . many people said this would happen and the reasons were simple: Bush and gang's vision of the Middle-Eastern mind-set had no basis in reality . . . .hmm, I even remember a long thread about that started because of a Camille Paglia article . . .
Originally posted by segovius
... It seems all this is merely to get past the Arbain festival. Reports from a correspondent also on Cole's blog suggest that the US have decided to enter Najaf (where the pilgrims are and where Sadr is installed in the mosque) in four days time...
Gen. Thomas McInerney (ret.) said this was the plan on Fox News a couple of days ago.
We all know Fox News is the right arm of the ultra right wing neocons facist!
THE PASSION OF IRAQ: Iraq has been a free country for a single year after decades of fascism, mass murder, communal paranoia, hysteria, random violence, and economic collapse. Did we expect the place to become Toledo overnight? The closer we get to transferring power, the more the extremist factions need to prevent a peaceful transition and establish their own power bases for the next phase. The closer we get to a self-governing Arab state, the more terrified Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas and the rest will be that their alternatives - theocratic fascism and medieval economics - will look pathetic in comparison. There are millions of people in Iraq who need us now more than ever. Their future and our future are entwined. Which is why we have to keep our nerve, put down these insurrections with focussed ferocity, and move relentlessly toward self-rule. It may be dark this Friday, but Christians are told that a new day will dawn. Not in three days. But in time. If we keep our nerve.
Originally posted by dmz
The closer we get to transferring power, the more the extremist factions need to prevent a peaceful transition and establish their own power bases for the next phase. The closer we get to a self-governing Arab state, the more terrified Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas and the rest will be that their alternatives - theocratic fascism and medieval economics - will look pathetic in comparison.
The closer we get to the Magic Mickey Mouse Date set to fit in with the Bush reelection campaign, you mean... I'm afraid this date will blow up right in the face of the occupying forces.
Originally posted by New
The closer we get to the Magic Mickey Mouse Date set to fit in with the Bush reelection campaign, you mean...
Let's not forget what Chalabi himself said:
?The whole thing was set up so President Bush could come to the airport in October for a ceremony to congratulate the new Iraqi government. When you work backwards from that, you understand the dates the Americans were insisting on.?
Originally posted by DeManON
The four Americans burned alive and ripped apart by a savage mob in Fallujah were apparently lured into an ambush by mujahideen posing as Iraqi Civil Defense members. This was a well planed, premeditated, murder. Of course, the cameramen just happened to be wandering by. What a coincidence - If I only didn't know better.
Your paranoia doesn't mean you're not right. at least partially.
The people fighting against the occupation are not fools. They knew these pictures would have a devastating effect on the "coalition". Like the new tactic of hostage-taking has.
When the three japanese hostages are killed (maybe tomorrow?) and their execution broadcast shortly thereafter, this will be devastating for Japan. The country is already deeply devided on the participation in the occupation. So much actually that their soldiers are only there on a "humanitarian mission".
My guess is we will see a lot more of this in the days to come.
Originally posted by DeManON
The four Americans burned alive and ripped apart by a savage mob in Fallujah were apparently lured into an ambush by mujahideen posing as Iraqi Civil Defense members. This was a well planed, premeditated, murder. Of course, the cameramen just happened to be wandering by. What a coincidence - If I only didn't know better.
Yep war is a bitch...
Originally posted by New
.......
So much actually that their soldiers are only there on a "humanitarian mission"......
And not only that.. they are not allowed to defend themselves. If they are being attacked they are counting on the Dutch to protect them..
Originally posted by ericg
And not only that.. they are not allowd to defend themselves. If they are being attacked they are counting on the Dutch to protect them..
I think that is a misconception, the norwegian forces are there on the same "humanitarian" mandate. They are under british control and protection. But they are allowed to defend themeselves, though only when directly attacked.
BTW, the norwegian forces are being withdrawn this summer. The norwegian government are not sending new ones.
Originally posted by New
Your paranoia doesn't mean you're not right. at least partially.
It's not paranoia. It's well born out experience. Since 1979 the Saudis have spent over 70 billion USD to make sure it is so. I would guess this is the largest propaganda campaign in history. Outstripping even the Soviet efforts during the Cold War.
Originally posted by DeManON
It's not paranoia. It's well born out experience. Since 1979 the Saudis have spent over 70 billion USD to make sure it is so. I would guess this is the largest propaganda campaign in history. Outstripping even the Soviet efforts during the Cold War.
Right, BBC is an arab propaganda tool.
Talking about isreal and the media, how is the army censorship doing these days?