Yet another Israel thread, Bush breaking with the UN and Internatinal Law...
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BBC
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Well, basically the genius president of the US went another step down the road of alienating himself from the arab world, (and the UN for that matter)...
Bush has stated, during his meeting with Sharon, that due to the new "realties" on the ground Isreal has the right to keep "some" (read the four biggest) settlements in the West Bank as part of a future permanent solution.
Sharon has been instrumental in making these "new realities" on the ground since the early seventies, and now his plans has paid of. The largest of these settlements actually cuts the west bank in two just outside Jerusalem. making any travel form south to north difficult.
Letting Israel keep these settlements is a grave violation of international law. But who cares. So much for peace in the Middle East...
Edit: sorry for the misspelling in the heading.
BBC
NY Times
Well, basically the genius president of the US went another step down the road of alienating himself from the arab world, (and the UN for that matter)...
Bush has stated, during his meeting with Sharon, that due to the new "realties" on the ground Isreal has the right to keep "some" (read the four biggest) settlements in the West Bank as part of a future permanent solution.
Sharon has been instrumental in making these "new realities" on the ground since the early seventies, and now his plans has paid of. The largest of these settlements actually cuts the west bank in two just outside Jerusalem. making any travel form south to north difficult.
Letting Israel keep these settlements is a grave violation of international law. But who cares. So much for peace in the Middle East...
Edit: sorry for the misspelling in the heading.
Comments
Originally posted by Scott
"international law" went out the door a long time ago in that region.
And you think that's just fine, don't you?
Originally posted by Scott
No it's just the reality.
So, sould we strive to reinstall international law in the area, or should we just don't give a damn?
Originally posted by Scott
In the real world "international law" won?t be enforeced on all parties involved. So find a different solution.
Why not? Why the hell not? Why should international law not be enforced when the stakes are high as this? What is stopping whom?
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Why not? Why the hell not? Why should international law not be enforced when the stakes are high as this? What is stopping whom?
The UN needs some viagra before it tries any "international law" crap. Those folks are impotent. And the reason for Iraq. They did not enforce their resolutions for how many years?
<climbs back in foxhole>
We need some new thinking and urgent, impartial action, and without this there will never be a solution. There has to be a solution or we may as well give up now.
I believe you can use appleinsider as both username and password.
Imagine if Palestinians said, `O.K., we give California to Canada,' " said Michael Tarazi, a legal adviser for the Palestine Liberation Organization. "Americans should stop wondering why they have so little credibility in the Middle East."
The UN needs some viagra before it tries any "international law" crap.
Added to my sig.
True. Europe needs to grow some balls. First: take big action against the US on this issue. Halt all trading, whatever it takes. This is serious and could result in World War 3 and anyone who thinks otherwise does not know the facts and is way too optimistic. Second, take a harder line against other US aggression, like Microsoft!!! Europe really turned in to a pussy.
Originally posted by New
Here's another quite good NYT article on the subject.
I believe you can use appleinsider as both username and password.
That was an account I set up for some cry babies here. Everyone feel free to use it.
Imagine if New Jersey were blowing up busses in Manhattan, killing woman and children, over Ellis Island?
Oh no wait we don?t want to confront those violations of ?international law?. Only the violations the Jews commit. OOOps there I go again I mean Israelis.
Originally posted by Scott
That was an account I set up for some cry babies here. Everyone feel free to use it.
Imagine if New Jersey were blowing up busses in Manhattan, killing woman and children, over Ellis Island?
Oh no wait we don?t want to confront those violations of ?international law?. Only the violations the Jews commit. OOOps there I go again I mean Israelis.
Actually, your particular example wouldn't be regulated by international law.
"In the unilateral plan, there is no Palestinian state. This situation could continue for many years ... [the plan] will bring their [the Palestinians'] dreams to an end. When you fence areas and communities in the West Bank, you end a lot of their dreams. My plan is tough on the Palestinians. A mortal blow."
-- Ariel Sharon
So, there's no way this is going to let the Palestinians feel like they should have any hope. No hope, more pointless murders of Israelis. When the violence increases, Arafat gets taken out, or Gaza is bombed to shit. More violence.
Bush has said, at the worst time it is possible to say it, that 'realities on the ground' are the most important thing. That people have no right to return to land they were evicted from. That ethnic cleansing is OK if it's our allies that are doing it.
There's going to be a ****ing bloodbath. When it happens I'll draw no pleasure from saying "I told you so."
Originally posted by Harald
I feel very depressed about this.
"In the unilateral plan, there is no Palestinian state. This situation could continue for many years ... [the plan] will bring their [the Palestinians'] dreams to an end. When you fence areas and communities in the West Bank, you end a lot of their dreams. My plan is tough on the Palestinians. A mortal blow."
-- Ariel Sharon
So, there's no way this is going to let the Palestinians feel like they should have any hope. No hope, more pointless murders of Israelis. When the violence increases, Arafat gets taken out, or Gaza is bombed to shit. More violence.
Why is it Israel's responsibility to create hope for the Palestinians?
Originally posted by Harald
Bush has said, at the worst time it is possible to say it, that 'realities on the ground' are the most important thing. That people have no right to return to land they were evicted from. That ethnic cleansing is OK if it's our allies that are doing it.
I feel that calling it "ethnic cleansing" is anti-Semitic on your part. That's not the situation at hand and you only play into the terrorists hands when you use such hyperbole.
Originally posted by Harald
There's going to be a ****ing bloodbath. When it happens I'll draw no pleasure from saying "I told you so."
Maybe the wall will work. There's some indication that it already has had a positive effect for both sides.
Originally posted by Scott
Maybe the wall will work. There's some indication that it already has had a positive effect for both sides.
What are those indications?
Originally posted by Scott
Shops reopen, people make money, jobs are created ...
yup, it's a good life, there in the shadow of the wall...
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