Uh, just because it didn't kill the cat (i.e., it can swim) doesn't mean it is not cruel.
Cruel:Disposed to inflict pain or suffering. Causing, or fitted to cause, pain, grief, or misery.
Frankly, unless the cat was one of the very few that loves to swim (and would jump into the water on its own initiative), I am very glad that the property owner wont let you have a dog.
Now to answer the original question: I travel around too much to have any pet right now, but I used to have a bunch of cats and a German Shepherd. We all got along great and I would like to get a Dog and a few cats again someday.
Excuse me. You don't know me or what was a very happy and much loved cat from a bar of soap,
So you can take your supercilious, know-all, personal comments and shove 'em.
Excuse me. You don't know me or what was a very happy and much loved cat from a bar of soap,
So you can take your supercilious, know-all, personal comments and shove 'em.
No I don't know you, but I do know cats. It is extremely rare for a cat to enjoy getting wet (most cats will take great pains to avoid getting even slightly wet.)
Your statement: "we used to take down to the creek and throw it in the waterhole just to undermine its over-inflated opinion of itself..." does not lead one to think that the cat enjoyed the soaking.
It doesn't matter that you say that it: "was a very happy and much loved cat" the event you describe with seemingly fond memories was cruelty by the very definition of the word.
my apologies. it it late when i posted. i meant to use a ""
but i do stand-by my orignal post. it was cruel to do that to the cat and the tone you used in your post wasn't nice
from my understanding the only way to get a cat to like water is tog ive it baths when it's kitten, the it will apparenly learn to tolerate water
Yeah well, seems to me you've got to be pretty careful when it comes to tone in internet forums. So for instance, when I regularly read offensive, nasty comments about women around here, in the absence of further evidence that the person is an arsehole, I try not to let them colour my opinion of the poster. When it comes to tone, forums are an imperfect form of communication.
The irony here is that neither of you has got upset about the cat being allowed to get a paralysis tick (much easier to find in wet fur by the way - but I'm sure I don't need to tell you that Res because you lready know everything). Now the f**kwit I was living with at the time being too slack to check the cat for ticks while I was away, that was both cruel and bloody irresponsible.
Anyone own an Australian Shepherd? As far as I am able to discern, these creatures (when well-trained) might be nature's most perfect dog.
They have the "awww" factor, are very bright, very energetic, loyal, protective without being mean, and generally have every good dog trait known to man.
Definitely on my radar for when we need a new dog around the house.
Anyone own an Australian Shepherd? As far as I am able to discern, these creatures (when well-trained) might be nature's most perfect dog.
They have the "awww" factor, are very bright, very energetic, loyal, protective without being mean, and generally have every good dog trait known to man.
Definitely on my radar for when we need a new dog around the house.
Well, yeah, but being a "working breed" it is essential that they have a "job".
Working breeds tend to go a bit crazy if they don't feel like they are performing a useful task and end up doing things like herding children and trying to bring cars to ground.
Flame me all you want, but while it's a beautiful cat, it's just too stupid to understand the whole social hunting rubrick. Social hunters have bigger brains, and can understand the whole master-slave thing. A lynx just wouldn't do it, even though it is an incredibly beautiful animal.
Nope, sorry Splinemodel, I'm the flamebait for this thread so you're just going to have to find your own.
addabox is spot on about working dogs. I don't know about the Australian Shepherd (they're not very common in Australia!) but having lived with a red kelpie for a few months in the 'burbs, I wouldn't get a working dog unless I was living on a property.
They need room to move and if they want to escape, they will, no matter how well you fence the yard. (In fact, in my situation, I don't think Pa Kettle is really worried about his vicious blue heeler attacking other dogs. I think that like every other cattle farmer I've ever known, what he's really worried about is a pet dog chasing his cattle all day.)
But I have to say working dogs (to me that means blue and red heelers, kelpies, and border collies) are far and away the smartest dogs. You've gotta train them though or they'll take control.
Of course, that's hardly a challenge for an animal sadist like me. (Can we say seething rage Chester? Yep sure can.)
Flame me all you want, but while it's a beautiful cat, it's just too stupid to understand the whole social hunting rubrick. Social hunters have bigger brains, and can understand the whole master-slave thing. A lynx just wouldn't do it, even though it is an incredibly beautiful animal.
Um, are you saying that the master-slave societal duality is 1) a good thing? 2) absent from felines? Also, are you implying that bigger brains makes an animal smarter? And finally, have you ever seen a pack of feral cats? all cats are social hunters to some degree. the cat brings back the mouse to the owner does it not?
Nope, sorry Splinemodel, I'm the flamebait for this thread so you're just going to have to find your own.
addabox is spot on about working dogs. I don't know about the Australian Shepherd (they're not very common in Australia!) but having lived with a red kelpie for a few months in the 'burbs, I wouldn't get a working dog unless I was living on a property.
They need room to move and if they want to escape, they will, no matter how well you fence the yard. (In fact, in my situation, I don't think Pa Kettle is really worried about his vicious blue heeler attacking other dogs. I think that like every other cattle farmer I've ever known, what he's really worried about is a pet dog chasing his cattle all day.)
But I have to say working dogs (to me that means blue and red heelers, kelpies, and border collies) are far and away the smartest dogs. You've gotta train them though or they'll take control.
Of course, that's hardly a challenge for an animal sadist like me. (Can we say seething rage Chester? Yep sure can.)
Now, the border collie is an amazing animal. An old girl friend had one, smart and agile and determined to get those damned birds into the pen (the border collie, not the girlfriend).
Really beautiful and a great size too (the girlfriend, not the border collie).
You just revealed a little bit about yourself as well.
Oh thanks. I needed a good laugh.
Did I now? Lucky you.
However, knowing what I don't reveal, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you.
The other thing about border collies is, that in my experience of those working breeds, they seem to be the least prone to craziness. But they're still high demand dogs.
we have 2 cats, ages 2 and 14. we are thinking of getting a third but the vet told us not to, it's too disruptive. of course it will be at first. it's only temporary really. my wife and I plan on moving out of my parents home soon but we want to get this kitten now because it is so unique. when we move out we will only have this one cat with us. what do you think?
edit: i read some articles on the web about it, it's not that a big a deal but my mom is being a pain. then i have to convince the step-dad
We have two cats, Frank whos about 10 yrs, and Sam whos about 2 yrs. Both are awesome. People think cats are aloof and unfriendly to strangers but it all depends on how you raise them. Frank is the most dog-like cat I've ever met. He literally runs to the door when people come over to see who it is that came to see HIM. In the past when we've had parties he'll plant himself smack dab in the middle of everyone like hes just there to have a good time too. He's also got this knack for picking out the people aren't into animals or cats and push himself on them. Likes to sleep on your lap so he'll just jump up and stand there on your lap staring at you until you make room. And you have to make room, hes a big cat. Was up to 19 lbs at one point.. now down to a trim 16.
Like dogs too, but don't own one. We just pet the attention-starved lab next door everytime we go into the back yard. Feel sorry for him, the neighbors leave him outside all the time and seems to go for days without the kids coming out to play with him. Poor guy.
Here's a funny email I got today on the subjects of cats and dogs...
Quote:
EXCERPTS FROM A DOG'S DAILY DIARY:
8:00 a.m.Oh, boy! Dog food! My favorite!
9:30 a.m.Oh, boy! A car ride! My favorite!
9:40 a.m.Oh, boy! A walk! My favorite!
10:30 a.m.Oh, boy! Getting rubbed and petted! My favorite!
11:30 a.m.Oh, boy! Dog food! My favorite!
Noon- Oh, boy! The kids! My favorite!
1:00 p.m.Oh, boy! The yard! My favorite!
4:00 p.m.Oh, boy! To the park! My favorite!
5:00 p.m.Oh, boy! Dog food! My favorite!
5:30 p.m.Oh, boy! Pretty Mums! My favorite!
6:00 p.m.Oh, boy! Playing ball! My favorite!
6:30 a.m.Oh, boy! Watching TV with my master! My favorite!
8:30 p.m Oh, boy! Sleeping in master's bed! My favorite!
EXCERPTS FROM A CAT'S DAILY DIARY:
Day 183 of My Captivity: My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal. The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and the mild satisfaction I get from ruining the occasional piece of furniture. Tomorrow I may eat another house plant.
Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while they were walking almost succeeded; must try this at the top of the stairs. In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile oppressors, I once again induced myself to vomit on their favorite chair, must try this on their bed. Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless body, in an attempt to make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try to strike fear into their hearts. They only cooed and condescended about what a good little cat I was. Hmmm, not working according to plan.
There was some sort of gathering of their accomplices. I was placed in solitary confinement throughout the event. However, I could hear the noise and smell the food. More importantly, I overheard that my confinement was due to my power of "allergies." Must learn what this is and how to use it to my advantage.
I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and maybe snitches. The dog is routinely released and seems more than happy to return. He is obviously a half-wit. The bird, on the other hand, has got to be an informant, he speaks with them regularly. I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his current placement in the high metal room, his safety is assured. But I can wait, it is only a matter of time ....
Gotta go for a dog or 2 if you rent/own a house. Cats are alright, but dogs make a home...a home.
Those bunnies are cute. I had a bunny once....not by choice, and she got along great with my 105lb. golden retriever. She would follow my dog EVERYWHERE.
She would sleep right next to him....or even ON him. She would groom him and she would even HUMP his big head at times.
Then I got a beautiful black and white blue eyed husky who wasn't too fond of her (even though his appetite seemed to be) so I gave "Bunnyta" away to an old friend.
Comments
Originally posted by Res
Uh, just because it didn't kill the cat (i.e., it can swim) doesn't mean it is not cruel.
Cruel: Disposed to inflict pain or suffering. Causing, or fitted to cause, pain, grief, or misery.
Frankly, unless the cat was one of the very few that loves to swim (and would jump into the water on its own initiative), I am very glad that the property owner wont let you have a dog.
Now to answer the original question: I travel around too much to have any pet right now, but I used to have a bunch of cats and a German Shepherd. We all got along great and I would like to get a Dog and a few cats again someday.
Excuse me. You don't know me or what was a very happy and much loved cat from a bar of soap,
So you can take your supercilious, know-all, personal comments and shove 'em.
Originally posted by faust9
...Cats and Dogs living together--Mass Hysteria!!!
winner.
Originally posted by crazychester
Excuse me. You don't know me or what was a very happy and much loved cat from a bar of soap,
So you can take your supercilious, know-all, personal comments and shove 'em.
No I don't know you, but I do know cats. It is extremely rare for a cat to enjoy getting wet (most cats will take great pains to avoid getting even slightly wet.)
Your statement: "we used to take down to the creek and throw it in the waterhole just to undermine its over-inflated opinion of itself..." does not lead one to think that the cat enjoyed the soaking.
It doesn't matter that you say that it: "was a very happy and much loved cat" the event you describe with seemingly fond memories was cruelty by the very definition of the word.
Originally posted by crazychester
burningwheel. Don't push it.
my apologies. it it late when i posted. i meant to use a "
but i do stand-by my orignal post. it was cruel to do that to the cat and the tone you used in your post wasn't nice
from my understanding the only way to get a cat to like water is tog ive it baths when it's kitten, the it will apparenly learn to tolerate water
Originally posted by burningwheel
my apologies. it it late when i posted. i meant to use a "
but i do stand-by my orignal post. it was cruel to do that to the cat and the tone you used in your post wasn't nice
from my understanding the only way to get a cat to like water is tog ive it baths when it's kitten, the it will apparenly learn to tolerate water
Yeah well, seems to me you've got to be pretty careful when it comes to tone in internet forums. So for instance, when I regularly read offensive, nasty comments about women around here, in the absence of further evidence that the person is an arsehole, I try not to let them colour my opinion of the poster. When it comes to tone, forums are an imperfect form of communication.
The irony here is that neither of you has got upset about the cat being allowed to get a paralysis tick (much easier to find in wet fur by the way - but I'm sure I don't need to tell you that Res because you lready know everything). Now the f**kwit I was living with at the time being too slack to check the cat for ticks while I was away, that was both cruel and bloody irresponsible.
They have the "awww" factor, are very bright, very energetic, loyal, protective without being mean, and generally have every good dog trait known to man.
Definitely on my radar for when we need a new dog around the house.
although he got a lot biggher.
Originally posted by Moogs
Anyone own an Australian Shepherd? As far as I am able to discern, these creatures (when well-trained) might be nature's most perfect dog.
They have the "awww" factor, are very bright, very energetic, loyal, protective without being mean, and generally have every good dog trait known to man.
Definitely on my radar for when we need a new dog around the house.
Well, yeah, but being a "working breed" it is essential that they have a "job".
Working breeds tend to go a bit crazy if they don't feel like they are performing a useful task and end up doing things like herding children and trying to bring cars to ground.
Originally posted by giant
You just need a bigger cat:
http://www.google.com/search?q=carac...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Flame me all you want, but while it's a beautiful cat, it's just too stupid to understand the whole social hunting rubrick. Social hunters have bigger brains, and can understand the whole master-slave thing. A lynx just wouldn't do it, even though it is an incredibly beautiful animal.
addabox is spot on about working dogs. I don't know about the Australian Shepherd (they're not very common in Australia!) but having lived with a red kelpie for a few months in the 'burbs, I wouldn't get a working dog unless I was living on a property.
They need room to move and if they want to escape, they will, no matter how well you fence the yard. (In fact, in my situation, I don't think Pa Kettle is really worried about his vicious blue heeler attacking other dogs. I think that like every other cattle farmer I've ever known, what he's really worried about is a pet dog chasing his cattle all day.)
But I have to say working dogs (to me that means blue and red heelers, kelpies, and border collies) are far and away the smartest dogs. You've gotta train them though or they'll take control.
Of course, that's hardly a challenge for an animal sadist like me. (Can we say seething rage Chester? Yep sure can.)
Originally posted by crazychester
Nope, sorry Splinemodel, I'm the flamebait for this thread so you're just going to have to find your own.
Um. Ok.
You just revealed a little bit about yourself as well.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
Flame me all you want, but while it's a beautiful cat, it's just too stupid to understand the whole social hunting rubrick. Social hunters have bigger brains, and can understand the whole master-slave thing. A lynx just wouldn't do it, even though it is an incredibly beautiful animal.
Um, are you saying that the master-slave societal duality is 1) a good thing? 2) absent from felines? Also, are you implying that bigger brains makes an animal smarter? And finally, have you ever seen a pack of feral cats? all cats are social hunters to some degree. the cat brings back the mouse to the owner does it not?
Originally posted by crazychester
Nope, sorry Splinemodel, I'm the flamebait for this thread so you're just going to have to find your own.
addabox is spot on about working dogs. I don't know about the Australian Shepherd (they're not very common in Australia!) but having lived with a red kelpie for a few months in the 'burbs, I wouldn't get a working dog unless I was living on a property.
They need room to move and if they want to escape, they will, no matter how well you fence the yard. (In fact, in my situation, I don't think Pa Kettle is really worried about his vicious blue heeler attacking other dogs. I think that like every other cattle farmer I've ever known, what he's really worried about is a pet dog chasing his cattle all day.)
But I have to say working dogs (to me that means blue and red heelers, kelpies, and border collies) are far and away the smartest dogs. You've gotta train them though or they'll take control.
Of course, that's hardly a challenge for an animal sadist like me. (Can we say seething rage Chester? Yep sure can.)
Now, the border collie is an amazing animal. An old girl friend had one, smart and agile and determined to get those damned birds into the pen (the border collie, not the girlfriend).
Really beautiful and a great size too (the girlfriend, not the border collie).
Originally posted by Splinemodel
Um. Ok.
You just revealed a little bit about yourself as well.
Oh thanks. I needed a good laugh.
Did I now? Lucky you.
However, knowing what I don't reveal, I wouldn't get too excited if I were you.
The other thing about border collies is, that in my experience of those working breeds, they seem to be the least prone to craziness. But they're still high demand dogs.
edit: i read some articles on the web about it, it's not that a big a deal but my mom is being a pain. then i have to convince the step-dad
Like dogs too, but don't own one. We just pet the attention-starved lab next door everytime we go into the back yard. Feel sorry for him, the neighbors leave him outside all the time and seems to go for days without the kids coming out to play with him. Poor guy.
Here's a funny email I got today on the subjects of cats and dogs...
EXCERPTS FROM A DOG'S DAILY DIARY:
8:00 a.m.Oh, boy! Dog food! My favorite!
9:30 a.m.Oh, boy! A car ride! My favorite!
9:40 a.m.Oh, boy! A walk! My favorite!
10:30 a.m.Oh, boy! Getting rubbed and petted! My favorite!
11:30 a.m.Oh, boy! Dog food! My favorite!
Noon- Oh, boy! The kids! My favorite!
1:00 p.m.Oh, boy! The yard! My favorite!
4:00 p.m.Oh, boy! To the park! My favorite!
5:00 p.m.Oh, boy! Dog food! My favorite!
5:30 p.m.Oh, boy! Pretty Mums! My favorite!
6:00 p.m.Oh, boy! Playing ball! My favorite!
6:30 a.m.Oh, boy! Watching TV with my master! My favorite!
8:30 p.m Oh, boy! Sleeping in master's bed! My favorite!
EXCERPTS FROM A CAT'S DAILY DIARY:
Day 183 of My Captivity: My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal. The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and the mild satisfaction I get from ruining the occasional piece of furniture. Tomorrow I may eat another house plant.
Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while they were walking almost succeeded; must try this at the top of the stairs. In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile oppressors, I once again induced myself to vomit on their favorite chair, must try this on their bed. Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless body, in an attempt to make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try to strike fear into their hearts. They only cooed and condescended about what a good little cat I was. Hmmm, not working according to plan.
There was some sort of gathering of their accomplices. I was placed in solitary confinement throughout the event. However, I could hear the noise and smell the food. More importantly, I overheard that my confinement was due to my power of "allergies." Must learn what this is and how to use it to my advantage.
I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and maybe snitches. The dog is routinely released and seems more than happy to return. He is obviously a half-wit. The bird, on the other hand, has got to be an informant, he speaks with them regularly. I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his current placement in the high metal room, his safety is assured. But I can wait, it is only a matter of time ....
Those bunnies are cute. I had a bunny once....not by choice, and she got along great with my 105lb. golden retriever. She would follow my dog EVERYWHERE.
She would sleep right next to him....or even ON him. She would groom him and she would even HUMP his big head at times.
Then I got a beautiful black and white blue eyed husky who wasn't too fond of her (even though his appetite seemed to be) so I gave "Bunnyta" away to an old friend.