Jobs is wrong, he has been wrong on Crts, he has ben wrong on Cube and he has been wrong with current Lcd iMac. people are not going to shell out big money( for comon people) for stale old hardware from 3 years ago no matter how fancy of clothes its wearing. its coming again. 1.7 % market of new machines need i say more? Jobs and Apple need to wake up to the reality of cheap P4s at 3.0 and apple has nothing to compete. ( except its OS ) Its way past time for a configurable machine running a single top Powerpc with a agp slot. Not all in ones with no upgrades, no cpu and no video card path. Yeah they may work for the grandma's but not me or the Doom3 or iPod crowd. Apple is tuck to its silly tier structure and its wrong. this is why less market every qtr. 1% is near and this is with the best OS. whats wrong here? anyone say hardware. Apple refuses to acknowledge this. its their market to loose. or maybe Microsofts.
Jobs is wrong, he has been wrong on Crts, he has ben wrong on Cube and he has been wrong with current Lcd iMac. people are not going to shell out big money( for comon people) for stale old hardware from 3 years ago no matter how fancy of clothes its wearing. its coming again. 1.7 % market of new machines need i say more? Jobs and Apple need to wake up to the reality of cheap P4s at 3.0 and apple has nothing to compete. ( except its OS ) Its way past time for a configurable machine running a single top Powerpc with a agp slot. Not all in ones with no upgrades, no cpu and no video card path. Yeah they may work for the grandma's but not me or the Doom3 or iPod crowd. Apple is tuck to its silly tier structure and its wrong. this is why less market every qtr. 1% is near and this is with the best OS. whats wrong here? anyone say hardware. Apple refuses to acknowledge this. its their market to loose. or maybe Microsofts.
I'm not sure it's totally silly to cut expandability in a consumer AIO machine as long as the specs are nice and the computer is priced in consequence, which obviously is not what's happening with the iMac2, but which happened with the iMac and with the Mac 128k, to a certain extent.
More affordable? Not for the iMac line IMO... think eMac!
Reasonably upgradable? Steve Jobs has always been against upgradability in consumer computers, so I guess the answer will be no.
That's historically true - but consumer trends are for laptops, so really its the ibook/powerbook and of course the emac as the non upgradeable AIO's.
The newest PB has an upgradeable to 128MB video card - which is not bad and a step in the right direction.
The iMac FP IMO, is more of a mid range computer - not quite el cheapo emac CRT and not PMac status, and in light of poor sales, which in part has been caused by those consumer trends i mentioned Apple will likely be more attentive to the consumer demands for this line - then again it is Apple?.
The iMac FP IMO, is more of a mid range computer - not quite el cheapo emac CRT and not PMac status, and in light of poor sales, which in part has been caused by those consumer trends i mentioned Apple will likely be more attentive to the consumer demands for this line - then again it is Apple?. [/B]
In many ways, it's aimed at the same market as the Cube, it's a nice looking machine that's a little bit pricier aimed at people who appreciate nice design. But in that sense, it's also crippled because it's an AIO, because "iMacs are supposed to be AIO", whereas "nice design" doesn't imply AIO at all. Meanwhile, the market segment the original iMac was aimed at is languishing: it's been given the eMac, but the eMac isn't really something Apple is keen on promoting in the same way as it has either iMac.
Ok, controvertial proposal time, but perhaps Apple should kill iMac. Neither the cube nor iMac FP has done much other than be admired. Oh, sure, iMac FP sales were, unlike the Cube's, moderately successful, but I think you and I and everyone else knows that a different machine would have been a bigger success for the same market segment, and a differently priced machine would have been even more successful.
The economy isn't great at the moment. Apple has a functional but ugly machine in the "budget" bracket (the eMac), and should be promoting it harder, with perhaps a minor face lift, as right now it ought to be selling well. It's a simple machine your grandmother can buy and plug into the "intraweb", yet powerful enough to put a student through college and excite a budget-conscious computer geek. As part of that face-lift, something that allows the monitor to be seperated from the logic unit would be nice as that would broaden its appeal, but it's not absolutely necessary.
For the design conscious, the PowerMac G5 is close to there already, and the PowerBooks and iBooks are, right now, beautiful machines.
I find it hard to believe that the iMac FP, at the moment, is really adding sales. I suspect it's merely cannibalising laptop and PowerMac sales. But I'm speculating.
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Originally posted by Aurora
Jobs is wrong, he has been wrong on Crts, he has ben wrong on Cube and he has been wrong with current Lcd iMac. people are not going to shell out big money( for comon people) for stale old hardware from 3 years ago no matter how fancy of clothes its wearing. its coming again. 1.7 % market of new machines need i say more? Jobs and Apple need to wake up to the reality of cheap P4s at 3.0 and apple has nothing to compete. ( except its OS ) Its way past time for a configurable machine running a single top Powerpc with a agp slot. Not all in ones with no upgrades, no cpu and no video card path. Yeah they may work for the grandma's but not me or the Doom3 or iPod crowd. Apple is tuck to its silly tier structure and its wrong. this is why less market every qtr. 1% is near and this is with the best OS. whats wrong here? anyone say hardware. Apple refuses to acknowledge this. its their market to loose. or maybe Microsofts.
I'm not sure it's totally silly to cut expandability in a consumer AIO machine as long as the specs are nice and the computer is priced in consequence, which obviously is not what's happening with the iMac2, but which happened with the iMac and with the Mac 128k, to a certain extent.
Originally posted by The One to Rescue
More affordable? Not for the iMac line IMO... think eMac!
Reasonably upgradable? Steve Jobs has always been against upgradability in consumer computers, so I guess the answer will be no.
That's historically true - but consumer trends are for laptops, so really its the ibook/powerbook and of course the emac as the non upgradeable AIO's.
The newest PB has an upgradeable to 128MB video card - which is not bad and a step in the right direction.
The iMac FP IMO, is more of a mid range computer - not quite el cheapo emac CRT and not PMac status, and in light of poor sales, which in part has been caused by those consumer trends i mentioned Apple will likely be more attentive to the consumer demands for this line - then again it is Apple?.
Originally posted by hasapi
The iMac FP IMO, is more of a mid range computer - not quite el cheapo emac CRT and not PMac status, and in light of poor sales, which in part has been caused by those consumer trends i mentioned Apple will likely be more attentive to the consumer demands for this line - then again it is Apple?. [/B]
In many ways, it's aimed at the same market as the Cube, it's a nice looking machine that's a little bit pricier aimed at people who appreciate nice design. But in that sense, it's also crippled because it's an AIO, because "iMacs are supposed to be AIO", whereas "nice design" doesn't imply AIO at all. Meanwhile, the market segment the original iMac was aimed at is languishing: it's been given the eMac, but the eMac isn't really something Apple is keen on promoting in the same way as it has either iMac.
Ok, controvertial proposal time, but perhaps Apple should kill iMac. Neither the cube nor iMac FP has done much other than be admired. Oh, sure, iMac FP sales were, unlike the Cube's, moderately successful, but I think you and I and everyone else knows that a different machine would have been a bigger success for the same market segment, and a differently priced machine would have been even more successful.
The economy isn't great at the moment. Apple has a functional but ugly machine in the "budget" bracket (the eMac), and should be promoting it harder, with perhaps a minor face lift, as right now it ought to be selling well. It's a simple machine your grandmother can buy and plug into the "intraweb", yet powerful enough to put a student through college and excite a budget-conscious computer geek. As part of that face-lift, something that allows the monitor to be seperated from the logic unit would be nice as that would broaden its appeal, but it's not absolutely necessary.
For the design conscious, the PowerMac G5 is close to there already, and the PowerBooks and iBooks are, right now, beautiful machines.
I find it hard to believe that the iMac FP, at the moment, is really adding sales. I suspect it's merely cannibalising laptop and PowerMac sales. But I'm speculating.