Rape is more than what you say for a reason. A 30 year old could easily coerce a 10 year old to say yes.
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
Exactly, those details should be investigated/ascertained therein, not defaulted as a consequence of the terminology.
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
Well, from the point of view of the law, at least in Australia, this would not be a crime, firstly because the age of consent is 16, and secondly because under s61(3) of the Crimes Act 1900 (ACT)
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(3) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that?
(a) he or she believed on reasonable grounds that the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 16 years; or
(b) at the time of the alleged offence?
(i) the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 10 years; and
(ii) the defendant was not more than 2 years older;
Personally, I don't have any problem with two people so close in age having consensual sex, especially by their late teens ? they should be together and mature enough to be able to take responsibility for this sort of thing.
"If you can spell my condition right, I´ll even let you use the cane for a moment, you naughty boy"
If you want to see hypocrisy at full throttle click the video. "Oh when these pictures get out boy are she gonn have a hard time with psycologists and stuff". If you are concerned with her mental stability why show the pictures in the first place?
Well, from the point of view of the law, at least in Australia, this would not be a crime, firstly because the age of consent is 16, and secondly because under s61(3) of the Crimes Act 1900 (ACT)
Personally, I don't have any problem with two people so close in age having consensual sex, especially by their late teens ? they should be together and mature enough to be able to take responsibility for this sort of thing.
In Canada, age of consent is 14. I think the only exception is if an adult is involved, who is in a position of authority or legal influence over the child. Also, there is qualification for the age gap between the 2 parties, when one is that young..I think it is like 5 years or something. I can't remember, as it's not something I've really thought about since a teacher of mine in high school made a big deal of us knowing about it
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
That's statutory rape. It already has a different name.
And to answer the question, no I don't have a problem with 18 & 17 year olds going at it. I think the 18 year mark is a conservative fiction that should be eradicated.
You boys are good at playing like men . . . pretending that you'd "hit" her (presumably meaning 'hit on her') but personally, I find that a 14 year old is really young and may in fact have been subject to coercive and psychologically manipulative behavior.
Not that I think that that age is too young across the board, but rather that since we are in a culture that has certain moral expectations and unspoken codes of acceptability, his possibly having been forced, through coercion, into sex at such a young age could be worse and more damaging than you might think:
I personally find the attitude of 'gettin laid is cool' slightly idiotic, and lowers the real power of sexuality to a kind of bragging-rights activity . . . sort of like cruising fast on the strip or something equally inane . . . whereas sex and sexuality is a profound human experience . . . I think that possibly he was initiated into its profound nature in the right way . . and she probabl was a super-freaayak, and he had the opportunity of fully experience the profundity of the human experience, however, I also think that it is possible that he was 'raped' through coercion and may suffer ill psychological effects due to his young age . . . a young age within a culture entirely too fixated on the fiction of youth and youth culture . . .
I don't think you have the slightest inkling what is going on in the mind of 14+ yr olds these days (not attacking you, btw). It is rather shocking if you can observe it from a non-parental view. They are sex-crazed little bastards (and I'm talking about boys AND girls, not just boys). I'm not saying they are actually having sex, but sex, sexual awareness, and foreplay activity is most certainly on their minds, in their words, and dominant in their discussions with others. Some of the stuff can really make you blush as an adult. Personally, I've had the thought, "Geez, can you tone that down a little bit? My ears..." while overhearing some of these discussions. Suffice to say, they are far from as innocent-minded as you make them out to be. It isn't outlandish at all to consider that possibly this 14 yr old boy seduced the teacher.
That's statutory rape. It already has a different name.
If it was remotely consensual (and yes, that CAN actually happen), then the term "rape" belongs no where near the phrase. Either it was an assault or not. Age has no bearing on it. It's either a charge of underage sex or rape. "Rape" should not be a default association. It's a charged term designed to embolden the prosecution- "oh, well if he 'raped' her, then he is obviously guilty..."
I don't think you have the slightest inkling what is going on in the mind of 14+ yr olds these days (not attacking you, btw). It is rather shocking if you can observe it from a non-parental view. They are sex-crazed little bastards (and I'm talking about boys AND girls, not just boys). I'm not saying they are actually having sex, but sex, sexual awareness, and foreplay activity is most certainly on their minds, in their words, and dominant in their discussions with others. Some of the stuff can really make you blush as an adult. Personally, I've had the thought, "Geez, can you tone that down a little bit? My ears..." while overhearing some of these discussions. Suffice to say, they are far from as innocent-minded as you make them out to be. It isn't outlandish at all to consider that possibly this 14 yr old boy seduced the teacher.
Of course they are sexual . . . I was at that age. But there is a difference between discovering it on your own, being brought to it by a co-participant and being coerced into doing things that you might not be ready for.
The ONLY thing that I object to is the possibility that the young kid gave up a nuanced and deeper understanding of what sex and sexuality could be for an introduction that is merely sordid and desperate.
Other than that, sexuality is the primary life force, and is there at the beginning . . . but it is not reduced to a genital function exclusively, not to a trivial 'get-some' attitude . . .
Don't get me wrong, those too are great attitudes and ways of enjoying sex, but if that is all that you know then it is unfortunate.
The "discovery" and "coercion" you describe is no more likely between 2 teens than a teen and an adult. Neither should it be automatically assumed that the adult would maliciously deny the teen from such discovery. On the contrary, having some experience to bear as an adult, it is such "careful, developmental discovery" that becomes MORE probable for the teen, unlike an unexperienced teen that might grab'it, stab'it, and then run (not to mention the likelihood of unintended pregnancy).
The "discovery" and "coercion" you describe is no more likely between 2 teens than a teen and an adult. Neither should it be automatically assumed that the adult would maliciously deny the teen from such discovery. On the contrary, having some experience to bear as an adult, it is such "careful, developmental discovery" that becomes MORE probable for the teen, unlike an unexperienced teen that might grab'it, stab'it, and then run (not to mention the likelihood of unintended pregnancy).
Yeah, that's why I said that it is possible that he had a thoughtful initiation into the 'mysteries' so to speak. But the opposite is also true: namely, that she could utilize her experience to manipulate him into experiences that are not what he wants . . . its all highly unlikely . . . and the other thing is possible tht his first experience was one of a meaningless desperate fling with a desperate older married woman who probably is missing a full deck . . . I know that that sounds like the perfect fourteen year-old's fantasy . . .I can remember mine even now, and with a teacher nonetheless, but it is possible that the kind of sexual 'score' that we say we wanted at 14 if experienced might foreclose subtler experiences and just generally be awfull . . . that's why I say leave it to the parents when considering punishment and legalities . . . they should consult with their son and they shuld find out if this 'transgression' was in any way harmful or was wonderful.
My main point is that 'scoring is cool' is limited, in that it is merely one kind of sex, and it would be a shame if a young person became stuck with only that attitude towards sex.
Comments
Originally posted by bunge
Rape is more than what you say for a reason. A 30 year old could easily coerce a 10 year old to say yes.
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
Originally posted by Tulkas
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
Exactly, those details should be investigated/ascertained therein, not defaulted as a consequence of the terminology.
Originally posted by Eugene
...not hot.
i agree, not hot
Originally posted by hmurchison
But Eugene...would you hit?
I'm not a violent man.
Originally posted by Tulkas
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
Well, from the point of view of the law, at least in Australia, this would not be a crime, firstly because the age of consent is 16, and secondly because under s61(3) of the Crimes Act 1900 (ACT)
(3) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (2) if the defendant establishes that?
(a) he or she believed on reasonable grounds that the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 16 years; or
(b) at the time of the alleged offence?
(i) the person on whom the offence is alleged to have been committed was of or above the age of 10 years; and
(ii) the defendant was not more than 2 years older;
Personally, I don't have any problem with two people so close in age having consensual sex, especially by their late teens ? they should be together and mature enough to be able to take responsibility for this sort of thing.
Originally posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R
All I know is, I'm heading to Wisconsin for all the under-30 psico hotties.
Yeah, and she could teach you how to spell too.
Originally posted by Eugene
Yeah, and she could teach you how to spell too.
Ohh I can feel the the fantasies building here.
"If you can spell my condition right, I´ll even let you use the cane for a moment, you naughty boy"
If you want to see hypocrisy at full throttle click the video. "Oh when these pictures get out boy are she gonn have a hard time with psycologists and stuff". If you are concerned with her mental stability why show the pictures in the first place?
Originally posted by staphbaby
Well, from the point of view of the law, at least in Australia, this would not be a crime, firstly because the age of consent is 16, and secondly because under s61(3) of the Crimes Act 1900 (ACT)
Personally, I don't have any problem with two people so close in age having consensual sex, especially by their late teens ? they should be together and mature enough to be able to take responsibility for this sort of thing.
In Canada, age of consent is 14. I think the only exception is if an adult is involved, who is in a position of authority or legal influence over the child. Also, there is qualification for the age gap between the 2 parties, when one is that young..I think it is like 5 years or something. I can't remember, as it's not something I've really thought about since a teacher of mine in high school made a big deal of us knowing about it
I think she's sexy as hell, especially in this context.
Lucky little bastard! Does he have to keep his identity secret? If not, I'd be on the Howard Stern show tomorrow if I was him.
J
Originally posted by Tulkas
And because of that age, we would call it non-consensual and therefore rape. However, in an opposing arguement, do you think it makes sense to call an 18 year-old kid who has sex with his 17 year-old girl friend a rapist and have him registered for life as a sexual offender?
That's statutory rape. It already has a different name.
And to answer the question, no I don't have a problem with 18 & 17 year olds going at it. I think the 18 year mark is a conservative fiction that should be eradicated.
Not that I think that that age is too young across the board, but rather that since we are in a culture that has certain moral expectations and unspoken codes of acceptability, his possibly having been forced, through coercion, into sex at such a young age could be worse and more damaging than you might think:
I personally find the attitude of 'gettin laid is cool' slightly idiotic, and lowers the real power of sexuality to a kind of bragging-rights activity . . . sort of like cruising fast on the strip or something equally inane . . . whereas sex and sexuality is a profound human experience . . . I think that possibly he was initiated into its profound nature in the right way . . and she probabl was a super-freaayak, and he had the opportunity of fully experience the profundity of the human experience, however, I also think that it is possible that he was 'raped' through coercion and may suffer ill psychological effects due to his young age . . . a young age within a culture entirely too fixated on the fiction of youth and youth culture . . .
Originally posted by bunge
That's statutory rape. It already has a different name.
If it was remotely consensual (and yes, that CAN actually happen), then the term "rape" belongs no where near the phrase. Either it was an assault or not. Age has no bearing on it. It's either a charge of underage sex or rape. "Rape" should not be a default association. It's a charged term designed to embolden the prosecution- "oh, well if he 'raped' her, then he is obviously guilty..."
Originally posted by Randycat99
I don't think you have the slightest inkling what is going on in the mind of 14+ yr olds these days (not attacking you, btw). It is rather shocking if you can observe it from a non-parental view. They are sex-crazed little bastards (and I'm talking about boys AND girls, not just boys). I'm not saying they are actually having sex, but sex, sexual awareness, and foreplay activity is most certainly on their minds, in their words, and dominant in their discussions with others. Some of the stuff can really make you blush as an adult. Personally, I've had the thought, "Geez, can you tone that down a little bit? My ears..." while overhearing some of these discussions. Suffice to say, they are far from as innocent-minded as you make them out to be. It isn't outlandish at all to consider that possibly this 14 yr old boy seduced the teacher.
Of course they are sexual . . . I was at that age. But there is a difference between discovering it on your own, being brought to it by a co-participant and being coerced into doing things that you might not be ready for.
The ONLY thing that I object to is the possibility that the young kid gave up a nuanced and deeper understanding of what sex and sexuality could be for an introduction that is merely sordid and desperate.
Other than that, sexuality is the primary life force, and is there at the beginning . . . but it is not reduced to a genital function exclusively, not to a trivial 'get-some' attitude . . .
Don't get me wrong, those too are great attitudes and ways of enjoying sex, but if that is all that you know then it is unfortunate.
Originally posted by Randycat99
The "discovery" and "coercion" you describe is no more likely between 2 teens than a teen and an adult. Neither should it be automatically assumed that the adult would maliciously deny the teen from such discovery. On the contrary, having some experience to bear as an adult, it is such "careful, developmental discovery" that becomes MORE probable for the teen, unlike an unexperienced teen that might grab'it, stab'it, and then run (not to mention the likelihood of unintended pregnancy).
Yeah, that's why I said that it is possible that he had a thoughtful initiation into the 'mysteries' so to speak. But the opposite is also true: namely, that she could utilize her experience to manipulate him into experiences that are not what he wants . . . its all highly unlikely . . . and the other thing is possible tht his first experience was one of a meaningless desperate fling with a desperate older married woman who probably is missing a full deck . . . I know that that sounds like the perfect fourteen year-old's fantasy . . .I can remember mine even now, and with a teacher nonetheless, but it is possible that the kind of sexual 'score' that we say we wanted at 14 if experienced might foreclose subtler experiences and just generally be awfull . . . that's why I say leave it to the parents when considering punishment and legalities . . . they should consult with their son and they shuld find out if this 'transgression' was in any way harmful or was wonderful.
My main point is that 'scoring is cool' is limited, in that it is merely one kind of sex, and it would be a shame if a young person became stuck with only that attitude towards sex.