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this is why dells are so cheap, apple, aleinware and, a few others give a damn about quality because their customer base has a discriminating taste for what they want and need.
My point: dell QC isnt top notch because you get what you pay for, this is by no means a cheap laptop at $1000+ but it is by no means expencive either, I ask all dell customers this, would you pay say $100 more if they could then give you a higher build quality in the first place? the answer I fear would be a resounding "HELL NO".
you cant buy a Dodge Dart and expect the same high quality that one would demand of a Mercadies
from the no shit sherlock dept.
WATCH OUT FOR THAT...
Dells obviously aren't the most elegantly designed PCs, and probably won't ever win any awards for that, but the company has completely destroyed Apple's dominance in Education and holds a popular appeal among consumer and business customers too. There's a lot to be said about just giving customers what they want at an affordable price... something I think Apple could take a lesson from. If only Dells ran OS X.
Dell notebooks/laptops are notoriously cheap. The desktops are fine, but so many dells have problems with all sorts of things. A big one is the video card. somehow they alwasy go with the dells. One of the co-workers has a two year old inspiron, and it is starting to completely self destruct. First, the DVD went, then the ethernet, then the battery/AC, then the video, etc. He has to have it serviced so much that, even though he has the long-term service plan, it's a real pain in the ass.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
Funny you mentioned this. I have two co-workers with inspirons who have faulty AC adapters. I have never had trouble with a mac power adapter other than the somewhat finicky one for the Powerbook 180c.
Dell notebooks/laptops are notoriously cheap. The desktops are fine, but so many dells have problems with all sorts of things. A big one is the video card. somehow they alwasy go with the dells. One of the co-workers has a two year old inspiron, and it is starting to completely self destruct. First, the DVD went, then the ethernet, then the battery/AC, then the video, etc. He has to have it serviced so much that, even though he has the long-term service plan, it's a real pain in the ass.
i've come to the conclusion that apple's laptops are crap. iBook has logic board problem, hard drive failure. powerbook has chipping/bubbling paint, key marks on screen, optical drive that is dying, 2 bad power adapters, and now a power supply or hard drive problem. ipod has gone through 2 pairs of headphone and now the audio jack is broken.
great quality.
Originally posted by applenut
i've come to the conclusion that apple's laptops are crap. iBook has logic board problem, hard drive failure. powerbook has chipping/bubbling paint, key marks on screen, optical drive that is dying, 2 bad power adapters, and now a power supply or hard drive problem. ipod has gone through 2 pairs of headphone and now the audio jack is broken.
great quality.
When someone has that many faults I'd think they're either extremely unlucky or they don't look after their equipment. Given the number of 3rd party component failures in that list...
Originally posted by Telomar
When someone has that many faults I'd think they're either extremely unlucky or they don't look after their equipment. Given the number of 3rd party component failures in that list...
um.... there is no one who takes better care of their apple products and possesions in general than me. i baby the hell out of these things. but keep in mind, these are all meant to be DURABLE products anyways.
for a laptop that sits 90 of the time on a desk the powerbook situation is embarrassing. the iBook spends even more time on a desk and is just as bad and the logic board problem and hard drive problem are widely reported issues that apple has acknowledged. so is the bubbling paint problem and the keyboard marks on the screen.
so i dont think it is either of the things you suggested. but thanks for trying.
Originally posted by a_greer
no surprise, Dell serves the "I shop WALL*MART because cheap is good no matter what, quality control be damnd" croud, the avarage dell customer doesnt give a crap about their system so long as mommy and daddy can do their bills and joey and tommy can surf porn...er...uh do "research" on the web.
this is why dells are so cheap, apple, aleinware and, a few others give a damn about quality because their customer base has a discriminating taste for what they want and need.
My point: dell QC isnt top notch because you get what you pay for, this is by no means a cheap laptop at $1000+ but it is by no means expencive either, I ask all dell customers this, would you pay say $100 more if they could then give you a higher build quality in the first place? the answer I fear would be a resounding "HELL NO".
you cant buy a Dodge Dart and expect the same high quality that one would demand of a Mercadies
I write this message on a Dell Inspiron 8200 that I have had excellent experience with. It has circumnavigated the globe with me (yes... it got heavy after a while) and sipped power at 110, 120 and 220 Volts without a hiccup. In one third-world airport, it even survived being dropped by a sleepy x-ray tech onto a tile floor. A couple plastic bits went flying, but snapped back on. It then booted up as if nothing had happened.
It is true that my next computer will be an Apple. This is because they are beautiful and elegant. Two things I cannot say about any of the three Dells I have owned. While these may be the obvious shortcomings of any "walmarted" PC, I disagree that quality automatically suffers. I would venture that Dell uses components common to many PC manufacturers with higher MSRPS, but their economy of scale allows them to offer PC's at a much lower price.
I can see a similiarity.
People they all use the same compenents nowadays.
Originally posted by Aquatic
I love Apple laptops but applenut is right at least from my perpective. My iBook's optical drive stopped working. Of course Apple fixed it for me but that was annoying. My PB 12" has been kicked around and works but the fact that, maybe Panther, but something, made my battery go from 95% to 25% capacity last October kind of pisses me off.
ah, forgot that. needed to replace the battery on the powerbook as well. not a big deal, batteries die....but after 1.5 years of use?
how about the warping problems, or the white spot problems...or the..... the list goes on. quality my ass. maybe if they had stricter quality control they could actually LOWER prices because it sure cant be cheap to be replacing all those iBook logic boards and powerbook screens.
Originally posted by applenut
um.... there is no one who takes better care of their apple products and possesions in general than me. i baby the hell out of these things. but keep in mind, these are all meant to be DURABLE products anyways.
thats odd, since I have two powerbook G4 titaniums (500Mhz, 1Ghz) that are both in perfect working order. So either you are unlucky or you don't take great care of them.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
thats odd, since I have two powerbook G4 titaniums (500Mhz, 1Ghz) that are both in perfect working order. So either you are unlucky or you don't take great care of them.
you ever stop to think that maybe you're lucky? or is that logic as flawed as yours
Originally posted by applenut
um.... there is no one who takes better care of their apple products and possesions in general than me. i baby the hell out of these things. but keep in mind, these are all meant to be DURABLE products anyways.
for a laptop that sits 90 of the time on a desk the powerbook situation is embarrassing. the iBook spends even more time on a desk and is just as bad and the logic board problem and hard drive problem are widely reported issues that apple has acknowledged. so is the bubbling paint problem and the keyboard marks on the screen.
so i dont think it is either of the things you suggested. but thanks for trying.
As I say if you've had that many faults you're either unlucky beyond belief or mistreating the equipment or just making crap up based on stuff you've heard about. Hmm I wonder which...
Originally posted by Telomar
As I say if you've had that many faults you're either unlucky beyond belief or mistreating the equipment or just making crap up based on stuff you've heard about. Hmm I wonder which...
you people are dense fucking idiots
all of these problems are..... known issues with these products....acknowledged by apple. they are not from mistreating or making crap up.
you are making shit up, you're making fucking excuses for a company that doesn't give a shit about you.
only with apple folk does the user get criticized and assumed to be the cause when something goes wrong.
there is a reason the genius bar at SOHO has 4 hour waits everyday and it isn't because thousands of people are unlucky, mistreat their equipment or make shit up.
how about you provide me proof that:
1. the power plugs are not a widespread problem. on this message board alone, tons of people have said they have gone through one or more replacements and that they are made like crap
2. the paint on Powerbook G4/667VGA and belows does not have a tendency to bubble, chip, and/or peel. since Steve Jobs announced that the new aluminum powerbooks would not suffer from this problem i think you're going to have a hard time.
3. show me that there is not a logic board recall on iBooks with dual USB ports
4. show me that there is no problem of the screen on powerbooks touching the keyboard resulting in marks on the screen. its so widespread and common that products are sold to put inbetween the two
as for the other problems....you can prove those wrong too. the white spots are real, the warping of the aluminum powerbooks is real.
so, either provide some sort of counter argument or shut the fuck up about me mistreating my hardware or "making crap" up.
we'd all like to think Apple is some perfect company that makes products with no problems, but the fact is, their quality control over the last few years has SUCKED. it has sucked in hardware and it has sucked in software.
My stock harddrive died in December, it started making clicking sound and was terribly slow. I was out of the one year Apple-granted warrenty and I got tossed from AppleCare to the AppleStore (where I bought it) and viceversa because in Europe the dealer must provide a two year warrenty and noone felt responsible.
Since there store is located outside of Germany and I did not want to through all the hassle of going to court, I decided to change the harddrive myself - very painful prodecure which leaves some marks on the case and requires perfectly fitting tools.
Essence: I will never ever shop at the Apple Online Store again.
IBM before Apple. Apple before Dell. Sony's VAIO line is probably the worst I've ever dealt with.
I've never personally owned a laptop for this very reason. My sister's Pismo PowerBook has never given her a problem, but her PowerBook G4 Titanium did require its entire logic board to be swapped because it would not charge the battery.