Do you realize that one of the many benefits of Quartz over Quickdraw is that it "Rasters" files for printing. Quartz just isn't an API that your video but OSX's whole printing architecture is based on the same imaging model. The "RIP" is built right in. I hate to always sound like an Apple honk but OSX has tech that is just mind blowin compared to what we had before. It really is a great OS that is very extensible and powerful and with Tiger the hits just keep coming.
How can I get it through PC devs heads that apple's libraries are a million times more powerful... it sucks when all of the devs I work with are pc punks... I just shut my mouth because they are so ignorant... just wish they could see the light.
How can I get it through PC devs heads that apple's libraries are a million times more powerful... it sucks when all of the devs I work with are pc punks... I just shut my mouth because they are so ignorant... just wish they could see the light.
It should be obvious to them. Mac developers are done with code far earlier and thus can make the UI look presentable. Ever notice how even Mac Shareware titles look better than many commerical PC apps? Makes you say hmmmmmmmmmm
Quote:
Why do consumer computers usually come with such a ridiculously low amount of RAM? I feel bad that people do not know the true potential of his or her machine.
Concession to retail. RAM is the only way for retail chains to make a little margin. The margin in selling just the computer went bye-bye a long time ago. And your typical printer no longer has margin. In fact you ever notice how reluctant printer manufacturers where to include printer cables? Same deal...margin. Cables are marked up %70 RAM is usually %30-50...iMacs? Lucky if you get %7
Back on topic let's hope that the 4G iPods are ready no later than Paris. If Apple can hit a homerun here and generate another boost of sales and excitement then 2005 is looking like a winner. Eventually Apple is going to have to license the Fairplay DRM and let the market grow a bit on its own. Right now they are setting up the ecosystem and soon I'd expect for Apple to parlay its hard work into a nice licensing revenue stream from eager 3rd parties. If they can do this this would be the first time Apple has ever defeated Microsoft technology that I can think of. It would be great but much work needs to be done. Come on iPods!
HM, first off, thanks for being patient. I was quick to judge in my earlier posts and was pointing fingers.
I am warming up to your side. However I still have two issues. Maybe in 10.4 we'll see more utilization. But even HD video doesn't take much to be pushed around compared to your 3D shooter at similar resolution. not compositing text with transparencies, etc over top of HD, maybe that will help.. Do you know what card that machine had you saw running motion?
I'm not sure if consumers will see the big payback like you suggest in iPhoto and iMovie. If I'm a consumer, I launch my iApps rarely while doing something else in the background. The CPU is usually never pegged, always idle, waiting to trounce anything I give it. However, i haven't researched the features of 10.4, so maybe that is exactly why I don't understand.
@home, As for the 1.6 G5s and MDD, i know those machines are ou the door, but I was kicking around those prices as prev. gen hardware for future hardware. name one reason why apply isn't selling $1,500 1.6 G5 towers right now, esp in light of the iMAc shortage. It's CPU won't canabilize the dual 1.8. Is it the expandibility they are worried about infringing on the dual 1.8? Lop off the PCI slots. Solder on the CPU? Reduce the tower height? now we begin to infringe on the iMac territory. Could that be an explanation for the high cost of Apple LCDs? Price a prosumer powermac after 20" LCD $500 more than the same size iMac LCD? 20" iMac at $2k, headless mac at $1300 + $1300 for lcd? tricky territory.
and lastly i have to just mention it again, from ecomomies of scale. would your company rather have a $1400 powermac or smaller, possibly less upgradable cube type for $1600? Apple might be able to simply produce a powermac cheaper than tool another model. heck, weld the damn pci slots shut, whatever, apple is known for crippling. i expect to see an iMac special edition before a bare bone power mac, unfortunately.
man, apple should really bring back the 1.6 G5. Maybe they're making room in their pricing scheme for something special. Maybe they force you to buy an Apple LCD with a headless machine? 20" iMac, $2.2k, 20" headless $2.7k, 20" Powermac $3.3k? maybe sell the headlesses in bulk without LCDs to businesses or edus?
Hey no sweat man. You know I don't think many people use iMovie. Maybe they dabble when they first get their Mac but after a while the slow performance stifles creativity. Consumers don't have the time to wait 90 seconds everytime they want to see a transition of effect. The #1 complaint I've heard about iMovie and iPhoto has been speed. Now with the appropriate GPU these effects are a piece of cake. Layer on 5 or 6 and the performance is still phenomenal because the GPU layers this stuff in real time without flinching. I don't have enough info yet on Core Image/Video to see the weaknesses but right now I'd be stunned if Apple cannot turn iLife 5 into something that is much more pleasant to use.
I think you're right. I think the CPU needs to become more of a traffic cop. Sending data to the places that are best at handling a specific piece of data. The CPU should be handling the I/O functions and sending data around and keeping things synchronized. It's becoming clear that system design is moving to unburdening the CPU. Gaming was there years ago but now graphic editing and video apps are following suit.
This isn't just Apple either. Longhorn is even more ambitious with Avalon and Avalon 3D built right into the core OS. The latter half of this decade will be marked by the graphics processing rising in importance regarding UI speed. Think about this now. This is actually a boon for us all. Apple is loath to allow upgradable CPU in their computers but for those computers that have upgradable graphics consumers can positvely affect their computing experience by upgrading their graphics card. That $500 card you skipped when you ordered you new computer two years ago is now surpassed in performance by todays $200 card.
Now imagine the future and how fast cards will get.
Scroll down for the pic. A 32GB Frame Buffer with 3TB bandwidth? Yes the future is real time in everything you do. We'll stop using our HD because they're too damn slow and app design will move to loading everything into memory. GPUs are unencumbered by CPU processing limits. They can process in 256bit chunks and maybe 512bit someday for massive power. Tiger is going to give us training wheels but this is only the start of something wonderful in computing.
...and lastly i have to just mention it again, from ecomomies of scale. would your company rather have a $1400 powermac or smaller, possibly less upgradable cube type for $1600? Apple might be able to simply produce a powermac cheaper than tool another model. heck, weld the damn pci slots shut, whatever, apple is known for crippling. i expect to see an iMac special edition before a bare bone power mac, unfortunately...
In Feb 2001 Apple reduced the price of the 450 mhz Cube down to $1299 Link
At that price a 1.5 Ghz G4 or a 1.6 Ghz G5 Cube would probably sell well in the markets that I was refering to. Comparing it to the current G5's I think that a 1.8 Ghz G5 Cube would sell well with a price of around $1599 today. Apple could further increase margins and reduce complaints by foregoing the clear housing for a white plastic and putting on a standard power button. There may be further things that they could do to increase margins on them, especially given "economies of scale." This would still put it above the iMac in price and below the PM. I think that there might be somce "canabilizing" from both lines, but I also think that it would bring in more "switchers" than not having a headless computer in this price range.
As far as suggesting "crippling" the standard PM Motherboard, I have suggested this in the past. It isn't the Cube that I am advocating, but a more versatile computer in the general price range that I think is needed. Now, if Apple were assembling the components then I think the "downgraded" version of the PM would be a less expensive way for Apple to get this. But with "outsorcing" the production overseas it might not be depending on the bidding and contracts.
On student day at WWDC when they demoed Motion, it was a dual 2.0 g5 with a 9600pro... 512mb ram.
This was by far the most impressive app I've ever seen in my life... they said it chirps a little on Powerbooks but hums along usually. iBook and iMac have to use the cpu for a majority of it and therefor get bogged down.
Previously I never invested in gfx cards because they sat idle 99% of the time for me. QE is still not enough of an excuse for me to shell out $200 additional, my overclocked eMac can minimize/genie playing movies just fine, and it's strictly eyecandy. Switching users looks good too. With 10.4 it seems things may be different.
@home, I'm seeing it more now. Whatever form factor it takes to keep the cost down. Apple did seem to have a wide variety of product lines just a few years ago. Perhaps akin to a performa 6300. As long as it's cheaper than a power mac most businesses will jump on it, an oppurtunity to save $500 a pop can grow quickly. This allows apple to still overprice it to get their margins from consumers. Say $1500 or 1600 for a smaller single 1.8ghz powermac with only an AGP slot. Or you could get a 17in 1.8ghz iMac for the same price.
If you really need value, you can't not choose iMac. If you want some upgradability or interchangibility, choose headless and "put $400-500 in your pocket" or towards that 20in, or go pro and pay in full.
Emig, do I know you? Does the handle Cobalt ring a bell?
@home, I'm seeing it more now. Whatever form factor it takes to keep the cost down. Apple did seem to have a wide variety of product lines just a few years ago. Perhaps akin to a performa 6300. As long as it's cheaper than a power mac most businesses will jump on it, an oppurtunity to save $500 a pop can grow quickly. This allows apple to still overprice it to get their margins from consumers. Say $1500 or 1600 for a smaller single 1.8ghz powermac with only an AGP slot. Or you could get a 17in 1.8ghz iMac for the same price.
I would say your pricing is still too high. The iMac should be starting out at no more than $999, Apple has even admitted that. I think that a sligtly more powerfull headless computer should start out at no more than $1299, preferably $999 which should be doable though possibly not with a G5. That leaves room for a good and better option for the headless computer before you get to the dual 1.8 G5 (a best option if they can get one out for $999). I think that this would fill a gap in Apple's current lin-up and attract more converts than the thier current line-up of AIO's at the low end.
I expect to see the iMac 3, which'll both surprise and disappoint (the surprise is not necessarily disappointment).
As for the graphics card debate, I think the iMac should get at least a 9600 XT with 128MB on-board RAM, like in the PowerMac. It's not a stellar card, and since it's a relatively cheap card with capabilities to drive CoreImage, I'm pretty sure that they'll use that.
BTO option for a GeForce 6800 GT (or X800?) would actually be kick-ass and quite sensible, if there's a way they could make cards easily changeable (i.e. not require motherboard modifications). The iMac 3 should have a standard AGP slot! But I'm very afraid this is far-fetched daydream. They need such cards to compete, though.
The latest eServer line, which will be available globally on August 31, uses from two to 16 Power 5 processors per server computer and uses as few as one-fourth the number of chips as comparable machines from rival vendors, Armonk, New York-based IBM said in a statement.
The latest eServer line, which will be available globally on August 31, uses from two to 16 Power 5 processors per server computer and uses as few as one-fourth the number of chips as comparable machines from rival vendors, Armonk, New York-based IBM said in a statement.
One other quote from your link that you may have missed:
Quote:
The Power 5 chip, also used in Apple Computer Inc.'s higher-end Macintosh computers, has 276 million transistors and is made using 0.13 micron copper wiring and silicon-on-insulator technologies, which boost performance. It also has a dual-core design, which is akin to two chips in one microprocessor.
Most interesting if we are to see Apple use this dual core chip in an Xstation.
One other quote from your link that you may have missed: ... Most interesting if we are to see Apple use this dual core chip in an Xstation.
And especially interesting if we are trying to figure out if the author knew what he was talking about.
When he says "higher-end Macintosh computers", he's talking about the PowerMac, which uses the G5, not the POWER 5. He's just confused. The POWER 5 is more than just a dual core chip... it's a server chip, which means it's not designed to run in anything but a server. Even the fabled X Station wouldn't use something like that.
what to expect in Paris, White flags, Frenchmen putting their hands over their heads and saying "you win", lots of trees, because the Germans of the 1930s hated marching in the hot sun, oh and at the expo, I predict unveiling of the new iMac
You have to read between the lines of my starting post to see the next iMac....
Pyramid power...just add a Quartze crystal and you have unlimited power and peace of mind. Put it on your head and meditate and all that ails you will be healed.
I guess it may happen, but it won't be a design that I like, or would rush out to buy.
The form factor will allow the (future) G5's Powerbook mobo to be mass produced and de-bugged in a more forgiving enclosure. Not to mention more economical components such as 3.5" hard drives and larger optical drives.
Disclaimer: Apple has my NDA on file, but this is just a WAG on my part. I claim no insider information, and this is only my own speculation. No confidences have been breached.
um, I am kinda new here and started about the time of the "riddles of the past post" but does this have any merit?
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A little bird told that Trinity shall return, after eating pie, more voluminous than a dolphin..."
"El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne, Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam."
"The filling shall reveal a crust made from the Rosetta Stone."
"When the third sucessor of Artemis shall eat pie in the great desert, Artemis' twin shall rein with the agile Mercury and the obstinate Mercury before being eaten by the goldfish and this shall signal Trinity's return."
trinity- three sides (pyramid)
third sucessor of artemis- aremis is powermacintosh g3 third sucessor three sides pyramid g5
great desert dry spell- no upgrades no speed boosts from
artemis' twin- (brother apollo/mercury) powerbook g4 (mercury colored aluminum) with built in wifi bluetooth etc. not upgradeable-obstinate
powemac -upgradeable and mercury colored same as powerbook
eaten by goldfish?- play on term "eaten by the fishes" slang to be killed off imac is now discontinued (killed off) also goldfish are members of the carp family- carping on something (persistent petty and unjustified criticism) of the imac
pie- eating humble pie (didn't get to 3ghz)
voluminous- file system? Tiger prieview of metadata search
el capitan is in yosemite - half dome (imac) steve did demo spotlight yosemite, paris, birthday
hamartia- is a fatal flaw(Literally Greek for "missing the mark," "failure," or "error." Term used by Aristotle to describe the character flaw that would cause the tragic end of an otherwise noble hero.)
What mark did we miss? - 3ghz
filling is the OS -Tiger preview
rosetta stone- 3 writings of the same thing used to decipher hyroglyps Metadata? lost knowledge?
When I try to figure out the G5 iMac processor speeds I keep thinking about IBM's yields on the 90 nm fabs. That to me is the key. If they are high (1.8 and up) then the iMac will come out as a 1.8. I would just about bet money, however, that IBM is getting more than a few 1.6's, which would be the entry level iMac.
The challenge Apple faces is the mac lovers that want everything at half the priced. There is a strong need for a low priced entry level iMac, but at the same time there are a lot of users that are prepared to spend $2,000+ on an iMac IF the technology from the G5 PM is there. For $2,000+ we're talking a G5 at a speed of 2.0 or higher, fast FSB, faster memory, SATA hard drives, etc. Pulled from the PM, but with only one G5. BTO orders can handle up grading the graphics card. i did it with my new PB and have no desire to open the box to change anything - I feel the same about an iMac: spec it when I order it, add 3rd party memory to save money and live with it without opening the box.
The issue of a headless single processor G5 is totally different than an iMac. There may well come a time when one is available, offering the slowest of the G5 chips (with upgrades an option) and a limited potential for up grading. I don't think, however, that there are sufficient G5 chips available right now to open this market up until the PM's and iMacs are current on deliveries.
The most interesting comment to date is the one about using the same mother board in the iMac as they have planned for the G5 PB. That one definitely caught my eye.
Well now that I've seen Tiger and how it's going to make good use of the GPU my thoughts on total CPU power are changing. For instance I'd rather have an:
iMac G5 1.6Ghz
9600xt 128MB GPU
than a
iMac G5 1.8Ghz
GeforceMX 64MB GPU
Consumers are likely to utilize iLife far more than the Powermac user. A good GPU is going to go farther in delivering a good Oobe than a fster CPU mated with a crappy GPU. I hope Apple realizes this.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
Do you realize that one of the many benefits of Quartz over Quickdraw is that it "Rasters" files for printing. Quartz just isn't an API that your video but OSX's whole printing architecture is based on the same imaging model. The "RIP" is built right in. I hate to always sound like an Apple honk but OSX has tech that is just mind blowin compared to what we had before. It really is a great OS that is very extensible and powerful and with Tiger the hits just keep coming.
How can I get it through PC devs heads that apple's libraries are a million times more powerful... it sucks when all of the devs I work with are pc punks... I just shut my mouth because they are so ignorant... just wish they could see the light.
Originally posted by emig647
How can I get it through PC devs heads that apple's libraries are a million times more powerful... it sucks when all of the devs I work with are pc punks... I just shut my mouth because they are so ignorant... just wish they could see the light.
It should be obvious to them. Mac developers are done with code far earlier and thus can make the UI look presentable. Ever notice how even Mac Shareware titles look better than many commerical PC apps? Makes you say hmmmmmmmmmm
Why do consumer computers usually come with such a ridiculously low amount of RAM? I feel bad that people do not know the true potential of his or her machine.
Concession to retail. RAM is the only way for retail chains to make a little margin. The margin in selling just the computer went bye-bye a long time ago. And your typical printer no longer has margin. In fact you ever notice how reluctant printer manufacturers where to include printer cables? Same deal...margin. Cables are marked up %70 RAM is usually %30-50...iMacs? Lucky if you get %7
Back on topic let's hope that the 4G iPods are ready no later than Paris. If Apple can hit a homerun here and generate another boost of sales and excitement then 2005 is looking like a winner. Eventually Apple is going to have to license the Fairplay DRM and let the market grow a bit on its own. Right now they are setting up the ecosystem and soon I'd expect for Apple to parlay its hard work into a nice licensing revenue stream from eager 3rd parties. If they can do this this would be the first time Apple has ever defeated Microsoft technology that I can think of. It would be great but much work needs to be done. Come on iPods!
I am warming up to your side. However I still have two issues. Maybe in 10.4 we'll see more utilization. But even HD video doesn't take much to be pushed around compared to your 3D shooter at similar resolution. not compositing text with transparencies, etc over top of HD, maybe that will help.. Do you know what card that machine had you saw running motion?
I'm not sure if consumers will see the big payback like you suggest in iPhoto and iMovie. If I'm a consumer, I launch my iApps rarely while doing something else in the background. The CPU is usually never pegged, always idle, waiting to trounce anything I give it. However, i haven't researched the features of 10.4, so maybe that is exactly why I don't understand.
@home, As for the 1.6 G5s and MDD, i know those machines are ou the door, but I was kicking around those prices as prev. gen hardware for future hardware. name one reason why apply isn't selling $1,500 1.6 G5 towers right now, esp in light of the iMAc shortage. It's CPU won't canabilize the dual 1.8. Is it the expandibility they are worried about infringing on the dual 1.8? Lop off the PCI slots. Solder on the CPU? Reduce the tower height? now we begin to infringe on the iMac territory. Could that be an explanation for the high cost of Apple LCDs? Price a prosumer powermac after 20" LCD $500 more than the same size iMac LCD? 20" iMac at $2k, headless mac at $1300 + $1300 for lcd? tricky territory.
and lastly i have to just mention it again, from ecomomies of scale. would your company rather have a $1400 powermac or smaller, possibly less upgradable cube type for $1600? Apple might be able to simply produce a powermac cheaper than tool another model. heck, weld the damn pci slots shut, whatever, apple is known for crippling. i expect to see an iMac special edition before a bare bone power mac, unfortunately.
man, apple should really bring back the 1.6 G5. Maybe they're making room in their pricing scheme for something special. Maybe they force you to buy an Apple LCD with a headless machine? 20" iMac, $2.2k, 20" headless $2.7k, 20" Powermac $3.3k? maybe sell the headlesses in bulk without LCDs to businesses or edus?
Hey no sweat man. You know I don't think many people use iMovie. Maybe they dabble when they first get their Mac but after a while the slow performance stifles creativity. Consumers don't have the time to wait 90 seconds everytime they want to see a transition of effect. The #1 complaint I've heard about iMovie and iPhoto has been speed. Now with the appropriate GPU these effects are a piece of cake. Layer on 5 or 6 and the performance is still phenomenal because the GPU layers this stuff in real time without flinching. I don't have enough info yet on Core Image/Video to see the weaknesses but right now I'd be stunned if Apple cannot turn iLife 5 into something that is much more pleasant to use.
I think you're right. I think the CPU needs to become more of a traffic cop. Sending data to the places that are best at handling a specific piece of data. The CPU should be handling the I/O functions and sending data around and keeping things synchronized. It's becoming clear that system design is moving to unburdening the CPU. Gaming was there years ago but now graphic editing and video apps are following suit.
This isn't just Apple either. Longhorn is even more ambitious with Avalon and Avalon 3D built right into the core OS. The latter half of this decade will be marked by the graphics processing rising in importance regarding UI speed. Think about this now. This is actually a boon for us all. Apple is loath to allow upgradable CPU in their computers but for those computers that have upgradable graphics consumers can positvely affect their computing experience by upgrading their graphics card. That $500 card you skipped when you ordered you new computer two years ago is now surpassed in performance by todays $200 card.
Now imagine the future and how fast cards will get.
Here is Nvidias prediction for sytems in 2014
Scroll down for the pic. A 32GB Frame Buffer with 3TB bandwidth?
Originally posted by TofuTodd
...and lastly i have to just mention it again, from ecomomies of scale. would your company rather have a $1400 powermac or smaller, possibly less upgradable cube type for $1600? Apple might be able to simply produce a powermac cheaper than tool another model. heck, weld the damn pci slots shut, whatever, apple is known for crippling. i expect to see an iMac special edition before a bare bone power mac, unfortunately...
In Feb 2001 Apple reduced the price of the 450 mhz Cube down to $1299 Link
At that price a 1.5 Ghz G4 or a 1.6 Ghz G5 Cube would probably sell well in the markets that I was refering to. Comparing it to the current G5's I think that a 1.8 Ghz G5 Cube would sell well with a price of around $1599 today. Apple could further increase margins and reduce complaints by foregoing the clear housing for a white plastic and putting on a standard power button. There may be further things that they could do to increase margins on them, especially given "economies of scale." This would still put it above the iMac in price and below the PM. I think that there might be somce "canabilizing" from both lines, but I also think that it would bring in more "switchers" than not having a headless computer in this price range.
As far as suggesting "crippling" the standard PM Motherboard, I have suggested this in the past. It isn't the Cube that I am advocating, but a more versatile computer in the general price range that I think is needed. Now, if Apple were assembling the components then I think the "downgraded" version of the PM would be a less expensive way for Apple to get this. But with "outsorcing" the production overseas it might not be depending on the bidding and contracts.
On student day at WWDC when they demoed Motion, it was a dual 2.0 g5 with a 9600pro... 512mb ram.
This was by far the most impressive app I've ever seen in my life... they said it chirps a little on Powerbooks but hums along usually. iBook and iMac have to use the cpu for a majority of it and therefor get bogged down.
@home, I'm seeing it more now. Whatever form factor it takes to keep the cost down. Apple did seem to have a wide variety of product lines just a few years ago. Perhaps akin to a performa 6300. As long as it's cheaper than a power mac most businesses will jump on it, an oppurtunity to save $500 a pop can grow quickly. This allows apple to still overprice it to get their margins from consumers. Say $1500 or 1600 for a smaller single 1.8ghz powermac with only an AGP slot. Or you could get a 17in 1.8ghz iMac for the same price.
If you really need value, you can't not choose iMac. If you want some upgradability or interchangibility, choose headless and "put $400-500 in your pocket" or towards that 20in, or go pro and pay in full.
Emig, do I know you? Does the handle Cobalt ring a bell?
Originally posted by TofuTodd
@home, I'm seeing it more now. Whatever form factor it takes to keep the cost down. Apple did seem to have a wide variety of product lines just a few years ago. Perhaps akin to a performa 6300. As long as it's cheaper than a power mac most businesses will jump on it, an oppurtunity to save $500 a pop can grow quickly. This allows apple to still overprice it to get their margins from consumers. Say $1500 or 1600 for a smaller single 1.8ghz powermac with only an AGP slot. Or you could get a 17in 1.8ghz iMac for the same price.
I would say your pricing is still too high. The iMac should be starting out at no more than $999, Apple has even admitted that. I think that a sligtly more powerfull headless computer should start out at no more than $1299, preferably $999 which should be doable though possibly not with a G5. That leaves room for a good and better option for the headless computer before you get to the dual 1.8 G5 (a best option if they can get one out for $999). I think that this would fill a gap in Apple's current lin-up and attract more converts than the thier current line-up of AIO's at the low end.
As for the graphics card debate, I think the iMac should get at least a 9600 XT with 128MB on-board RAM, like in the PowerMac. It's not a stellar card, and since it's a relatively cheap card with capabilities to drive CoreImage, I'm pretty sure that they'll use that.
BTO option for a GeForce 6800 GT (or X800?) would actually be kick-ass and quite sensible, if there's a way they could make cards easily changeable (i.e. not require motherboard modifications). The iMac 3 should have a standard AGP slot! But I'm very afraid this is far-fetched daydream. They need such cards to compete, though.
The latest eServer line, which will be available globally on August 31, uses from two to 16 Power 5 processors per server computer and uses as few as one-fourth the number of chips as comparable machines from rival vendors, Armonk, New York-based IBM said in a statement.
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040713/tech_ibm_eserver_2.html
The date is during paris no?
What will steve add to the one more thing!
Originally posted by TednDi
from yahoo news
The latest eServer line, which will be available globally on August 31, uses from two to 16 Power 5 processors per server computer and uses as few as one-fourth the number of chips as comparable machines from rival vendors, Armonk, New York-based IBM said in a statement.
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040713/tech_ibm_eserver_2.html
The date is during paris no?
What will steve add to the one more thing!
One other quote from your link that you may have missed:
The Power 5 chip, also used in Apple Computer Inc.'s higher-end Macintosh computers, has 276 million transistors and is made using 0.13 micron copper wiring and silicon-on-insulator technologies, which boost performance. It also has a dual-core design, which is akin to two chips in one microprocessor.
Most interesting if we are to see Apple use this dual core chip in an Xstation.
...
One other quote from your link that you may have missed: ... Most interesting if we are to see Apple use this dual core chip in an Xstation.
And especially interesting if we are trying to figure out if the author knew what he was talking about.
When he says "higher-end Macintosh computers", he's talking about the PowerMac, which uses the G5, not the POWER 5. He's just confused. The POWER 5 is more than just a dual core chip... it's a server chip, which means it's not designed to run in anything but a server. Even the fabled X Station wouldn't use something like that.
And yes the POWER 5 powered Apple would be a network server, not an "Xstation" something like this:
Updated of course, and selling for a couple of thousand above $10K.
Ah HA!
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Originally posted by Aphelion
You have to read between the lines of my starting post to see the next iMac....
Pyramid power...just add a Quartze crystal and you have unlimited power and peace of mind. Put it on your head and meditate and all that ails you will be healed.
I guess it may happen, but it won't be a design that I like, or would rush out to buy.
Disclaimer: Apple has my NDA on file, but this is just a WAG on my part. I claim no insider information, and this is only my own speculation. No confidences have been breached.
...
+++++++++
A little bird told that Trinity shall return, after eating pie, more voluminous than a dolphin..."
"El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne, Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam."
"The filling shall reveal a crust made from the Rosetta Stone."
"When the third sucessor of Artemis shall eat pie in the great desert, Artemis' twin shall rein with the agile Mercury and the obstinate Mercury before being eaten by the goldfish and this shall signal Trinity's return."
trinity- three sides (pyramid)
third sucessor of artemis- aremis is powermacintosh g3 third sucessor three sides pyramid g5
great desert dry spell- no upgrades no speed boosts from
artemis' twin- (brother apollo/mercury) powerbook g4 (mercury colored aluminum) with built in wifi bluetooth etc. not upgradeable-obstinate
powemac -upgradeable and mercury colored same as powerbook
eaten by goldfish?- play on term "eaten by the fishes" slang to be killed off imac is now discontinued (killed off) also goldfish are members of the carp family- carping on something (persistent petty and unjustified criticism) of the imac
pie- eating humble pie (didn't get to 3ghz)
voluminous- file system? Tiger prieview of metadata search
dolphin (http://www.object-arts.com/Home.htm) -development language in 64bit?
el capitan is in yosemite - half dome (imac) steve did demo spotlight yosemite, paris, birthday
hamartia- is a fatal flaw(Literally Greek for "missing the mark," "failure," or "error." Term used by Aristotle to describe the character flaw that would cause the tragic end of an otherwise noble hero.)
What mark did we miss? - 3ghz
filling is the OS -Tiger preview
rosetta stone- 3 writings of the same thing used to decipher hyroglyps Metadata? lost knowledge?
Trinity's return?
Paris ?
I don't have a clue!
who knows anything is possible.
The challenge Apple faces is the mac lovers that want everything at half the priced. There is a strong need for a low priced entry level iMac, but at the same time there are a lot of users that are prepared to spend $2,000+ on an iMac IF the technology from the G5 PM is there. For $2,000+ we're talking a G5 at a speed of 2.0 or higher, fast FSB, faster memory, SATA hard drives, etc. Pulled from the PM, but with only one G5. BTO orders can handle up grading the graphics card. i did it with my new PB and have no desire to open the box to change anything - I feel the same about an iMac: spec it when I order it, add 3rd party memory to save money and live with it without opening the box.
The issue of a headless single processor G5 is totally different than an iMac. There may well come a time when one is available, offering the slowest of the G5 chips (with upgrades an option) and a limited potential for up grading. I don't think, however, that there are sufficient G5 chips available right now to open this market up until the PM's and iMacs are current on deliveries.
The most interesting comment to date is the one about using the same mother board in the iMac as they have planned for the G5 PB. That one definitely caught my eye.
iMac G5 1.6Ghz
9600xt 128MB GPU
than a
iMac G5 1.8Ghz
GeforceMX 64MB GPU
Consumers are likely to utilize iLife far more than the Powermac user. A good GPU is going to go farther in delivering a good Oobe than a fster CPU mated with a crappy GPU. I hope Apple realizes this.