Apple Displays Compared to the Market
While I think the new displays are very nice looking, I think they should add the TV tuner to them. A quick browse through Google's new Froogle and one can easly find the same size diplays with built in TV tuners for the same or slightly lesser cost.
Steve said that the Mac and TV would not be combined, but there is nothing that indicates the displays and tv shouldn't. It would just make the nice displays all that more practical.
Steve said that the Mac and TV would not be combined, but there is nothing that indicates the displays and tv shouldn't. It would just make the nice displays all that more practical.
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Here are some 20" with Tuners and their respective rez.
SVA 640x480
Sharp Aquos 640x480
Viewsonic 640x480
What we need is Apple's higher quality monitors and the option to add a tuner via PCI or external device. ATI just announced the HDTV Wonder for PC that gives you an ATSC Tuner and analog tuner as well.
Man I hope El Gato or somene does something similar for Macs. I find it a bit more flexible to seperate the tuner from the LCD so that if I decide to change on item I can without losing both.
http://elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetv500
Originally posted by Eugene
Er, you mean like the Elgato EyeTV 500? Heh.
http://elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetv500
<smacks forehead> I knew about the Eye TV HDTV box. I remember it being announced just before WWDC. Not a bad unit at first I wasn't sure how they got the video back on the Mac but they have more info up. It just pumps it back through firewire. An internal card would nice (and cheaper) but this is pretty flexible in its own right.
Where is the 17" wide-screen used on the iMac and PowerBook? That display at $699 would still be overpriced, but at least there would be a sub-$1000 unit to offer. Especially when they are trying to get the Wintel market's attention.
Two weeks ago you could buy a PowerMac G5 and add a display (the 17" square) for $699. Now you need to pay $1299 for the 20". So a new PowerMac G5 with matching display effectively costs $600 more now. How exactly is this going to increase overall market share?
$1299 low-end my arse. Another classic Apple blunder.
The 23" works really well as a HD monitor @ 1920 x 1080 because there's no scaling involved. The 23's and 30's are going to sell really, really well.
The only other 20" panel with 16ms reponse time that I could find was the newly announced LL-T2015 from Sharp. Their price? $1299. But its aspect ratio is 4:3.
I rarely say this but Apple's price seems to be on the mark this time.
Imagine that.
Screed
Originally posted by sCreeD
What's different about Apple's 20" is the response time: 16ms (which translates into ~62.5 fps). Most panels out there are only 25ms (40 fps). That's really important for video work (or play).
The only other 20" panel with 16ms reponse time that I could find was the newly announced LL-T2015 from Sharp. Their price? $1299. But its aspect ratio is 4:3.
I rarely say this but Apple's price seems to be on the mark this time.
Imagine that.
Screed
Dell has had a 20" 1600x1200 16ms panel (2001FP) for almost a year now. It has VGA, DVI, S-Video, and RCA input, and Picture in Picture. You can get it for $899. I believe the same panel is used in a Viewsonic, but it's more expensive.
I love Apple's designs, and I'd prefer a widescreen. But I can't justify the extra cost of the 20" ACD, especially since Apple raised developer prices with the latest refresh.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Yeah I've notice them too but the only problem is most of the LCD with the TV tuners are lower resolution. Even the smallest Apple LCD 20" supports HDTV 1280x720 with it's resolution of 1680x1050. Models destined for built in Tuners will only utilize the resolution needed for video purposes.
Here are some 20" with Tuners and their respective rez.
SVA 640x480
Sharp Aquos 640x480
Viewsonic 640x480
What we need is Apple's higher quality monitors and the option to add a tuner via PCI or external device. ATI just announced the HDTV Wonder for PC that gives you an ATSC Tuner and analog tuner as well.
Man I hope El Gato or somene does something similar for Macs. I find it a bit more flexible to seperate the tuner from the LCD so that if I decide to change on item I can without losing both.
those are the reses for the tuner, standard sd, the computer connection works a lot higher than that.
I dont like the idea of tv tuners any way, thats just one more box to keep by the computer if you want digital cable or use a satalite.
Originally posted by cubist
Due to my presbyopia I can't really use a big monitor, I have to sit up close (I could buy mid-focus glasses, but that's another issue) so what I'd like is a 17" widescreen monitor just like the one on the iMac. And I expect one will come out... once the stocks of the 4:3 17" monitor are depleted.
I never understood why 17 inch didnt go wide when the imac 17" hit, I mean just put the same pannal and light in a regular stand and vwala- 17 inch widescreen.
Originally posted by Ensoniq
Where is the 17" wide-screen used on the iMac and PowerBook? That display at $699 would still be overpriced, but at least there would be a sub-$1000 unit to offer. Especially when they are trying to get the Wintel market's attention.
Isn't it possible that the 15" and 17" widescreens (powerbook) displays will be used with the new iMac?
Originally posted by Ensoniq
Two weeks ago you could buy a PowerMac G5 and add a display (the 17" square) for $699. Now you need to pay $1299 for the 20".
The 17" is not discontinued - just not updated. You can still buy a G5 and a $699 Apple display.
Originally posted by discstickers
especially since Apple raised developer prices with the latest refresh.
Huh?
Originally posted by JLL
Huh?
the new 20 inch costs more than the older one did to developers. developers generally receive a 20% discount on all hardware. the new 20 inch is slightly lower.
it could be to reduce demand. i was ready to purchase one using my developer discount when it was released and then i saw that the discount was not as much as it used to be and i held off.
Originally posted by Ensoniq
Apple's biggest mistake with the new displays is thinking that a 20" at $1299 is an appropriate "low-end" display.
Where is the 17" wide-screen used on the iMac and PowerBook? That display at $699 would still be overpriced, but at least there would be a sub-$1000 unit to offer. Especially when they are trying to get the Wintel market's attention.
Two weeks ago you could buy a PowerMac G5 and add a display (the 17" square) for $699. Now you need to pay $1299 for the 20". So a new PowerMac G5 with matching display effectively costs $600 more now. How exactly is this going to increase overall market share?
$1299 low-end my arse. Another classic Apple blunder.
I think it points to a larger plan, because your right, and Apple knows it, but we won't think so when we see the new iMac...
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...ht=zab+the+fab
PowerMacs are for professionals.
Professionals typically use 20" or larger displays.
If Apple thought they would sell a lot 17" displays, they would surely do so.
Originally posted by Michael Wilkie
Apple displays are for PowerMacs.
PowerMacs are for professionals.
Professionals typically use 20" or larger displays.
If Apple thought they would sell a lot 17" displays, they would surely do so.
and thus we have come full circle, I am not on a "pro" budget but I will not buy an AiO, manny other geeks feel the same when looking at apple desktops, my answer is save extra for a PM (which I am doing) but may others will not.
</beats dead horse>