OK I did a big combined list (had 20mins spare ) of all the facts I could think of, from other lists, and other info from this thread.
the official 103 reasons why a mac is better than a pc
1. Real Plug and Play: USB works without hassle. Plug and play, not plug and pray! (win 95 -> winXP, still the same)
2. Fewer security holes.
3. Stability: Mac OS X NEVER crashes!!!
4. No .dll hell
5. No Windows Product Activation
6. Drag and drop - very poorly supported in windows
7. Better user interface.
8. Quartz graphics layer - antialiasing, built in PDF, smoothed fonts, 128X128 icons, transparencies, drop shadows, genie effect, GPU accelerated GUI, cursor casts its own shadow, no bit-maps
9. Moving files can be done even if they're open
10. Multiprocessor support. XP Home doesn't have it, XP Pro Multiprocessor support provides minimal speedups.
11. Sherlock 3: find movie times, flight times, street directory, ebay search, web search etc - all from a central simple program!
19. Services (NeXT thing. eg click a file in the finder, and in services hit "Send To" and you're email box is opened with an draft email with the file attached to it - using code from other programs at a system wide level of integration)
20. Global menubar
21. UNIX foundation with a powerful terminal
22. Seamless integration over the UNIX foundation -- you only see the UNIX if you want to
23. Near zero hard disk fragmentation.
24. Rendezvous: networking with NO setup! Automatic IP generation/detection on a LAN, all you do is plug the machines together and say if you want file sharing turned on! No IP configuration
25. No viruses to worry about. 50,000 individual viruses giving reasons why not to use Windows
26. The clean organization of System Preferences
27. Apps aren't dependent on an open window to be open
28. Inkwell.
29. System wide address book.
30. Spring-loaded folders
31. Pretty icons (128x128 resolution images)
32. Lack of Ad-Aware due to the lack of #$#@ spyware slowing windows down
33. Minimize to dock really looks cool
34. Minimize in place - a cool alternative to minimise in the dock
35. The dock. Windows task bar + 128x128 res icons + a nicer representation overall + much better positioning of items and effects to and from the dock + hardware accelerated real time scaling of the dock icon size, movement of icons (eg with magnification) etc.
36. Force quit actually works
37. Microsoft Office v.X. MS Office X is better on this side (even Microsoft admits this)
38. A laptop that gets enough battery life to be actually useful
39. Software Airport Base Station.
40. Integration with wireless networks - far simpler to setup
41. Drop dead simple internet connectivity setup
42. Easy backup and reinstallation (if needed)
43. Drag and drop installation of applications
44. Drag and drop deletion of applications - drag the folder to the trash, empty trash and it's gone.
45. The iPod. The best MP3 player out there by a long shot, works best with a mac
46. Hardware connectivity: all mac's come with firewire standard, and the Pro line comes with gigabit ethernet standard - even the laptop models
47. Disk images. Store an exact, exact, exact replica of a CD as a file, distribute and burn, with ease
48. .Mac: you're 100MB webspace, 15MB of email accounts, backup file server, web server, image hosting location etc.
49. Core Audio. 5.1 surround sound integrated into the OS's very basis
50. Plug and Play networking.
51. UNIX so web development is a dream (built in mySQL, PHP4, Apache web serving, ftp server, Pearl, CGI - for free)
52. You don't click "Start" to shut down
53. You don't have to OK all 10 windows when you install something
54. You don't have to supervise your computer through the startup process
55. Well thought out industrial design
56. Mac's can run all flavors of windows, at once. Can windows run Mac OSX?
57. Setting up computer (when you buy it) couldnt be easier
58. Doesnt take 1hrs+ to install new OS (2.5hrs according to a shacknews article for Win2k)
59. Consistant interface accross most apps (in windows there are about 3 or 4 different save dialogs, in windows there are many different print dialog windows, many window programs don't use the same shortcut key combinations and many don't use any at all)
60. Animated folder icons.
61. Multi-threaded boot (ie can use multiple processors, and processors more efficiently when booting)
61. Free developer tools. All you need to program, with Visual Basic level capability - for free
62. Keychain. Store all you're passwords, accessable from the one (highly protected) password. ie, have 100 passwords in you're keychain, and only learn one of them!
63. Scientific calculator, complete with paper tape.
64. AppleScript - Can control and automate everything by typing plain English.
70. Unix based - And the all features that come with it
71. No Wizards.
72. Hide Application command
73. Hide every other application command
74. Save as PDF. PDF integrated into the core of the OS, fast and free.
75. No registry.
76. No device manager.
77. Easy to change permissions.
78. Software updating that isn't done through IE, which on Windows has more security holes itself than any other program.
79. Universal Access.
80. Desktop slide show.
81. Built-in Mail client that puts Outlook Express to shame.
82. Stickies
83. QuickTime isn't slow on a Mac.
84. RealOne uses Altivec.
85. When you do an install, you can still do other things (most installs on windows will take up the whole screen and not let you do anything during it and will require at least 1 restart in between each install, eg VS.Net: requires 6 restarts to install VS.Net and all its components on WinNT)
86. The mac is much more intuitive to do everything. You don't have to know hidden key combinations or right click on everything to figure out how to do something
87. IE isn't built into the OS so if IE crashes, the whole OS doesn't freeze (a well known major problem in win2k that was never fixed)
88. No MS creating their own 'standards' to screw up the true standards (java vs C#, MP3 vs WMA, [any video standard] vs WMV, HTML vs MS's own IE forced HTML, directX vs openGL)
88. The mac os is on the good side of the law, it doesnt perform illegal operations
89. Macs tell you "not enough space on disk" BEFORE you start copying
90. Apple scripts easy automation
91. Tight integration between the hardware and software, only possible because Apple controls every aspect of the Mac
92. You keep your data, Mac OS X doesn't have a knack for doing the nasty nasty to your hard drive
93. You don't have to reinstall the operating system on a periodic basis.
94. After buying your computer, it gets faster annually on a regular basis (OS X upgrades.)
95: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file, and Mac OSX can any number of programs running at once well - windows dies after 2 hit the CPU simultaneously. eg I am running 8 programs at once on Mac OSX, some with multiple windows open and all doing something - and it feels just as fast as if I was running the one program
96. Integrated media system (quicktime). Everything that plays movie/audio is linked to a central system (quicktime), so when that is upgraded (eg MP3pro support, or MPEG4), ALL programs can use it straight away, and when it is sped up - all programs are sped up
97. Mac OSX is recognised by linux groups as the best implementation of a *nix system, due to its high appeal, features and rapid progress over time in development
a) Mac laptops support every feature of the OS and the OS even has features created specifically for them - on PC laptops it's hit and miss with manufactuers mixing and matching their own shabbilly written utilities with those microsoft had to write not knowing what was out there.
b) Meaningful battery life - if you're doing Office stuff you get 5 hours, best I've seen any PC do is 1.5 hours.
c) quick startup times - Windows XP professional takes over 10 minutes (no kidding) to start up on every laptop I've seen in the office. All the users say their computers have been "broken".
2. On home computing:
a) iMovie - make amazing home videos that wow the friends and family
b) iTunes - organize music, create playlists, get hypnotized by hi-resolution visuas, burn CDs
c) iPhoto - organize your photos, share them in amazing ways - screen shows, hardcover coffee table books, etc.
d) run virtually all educational software
e) no viruses to deal with, no maintenance to deal with like defraging etc.
3. On looks
a) looks great
b) Soundsticks as a conversation piece - not a single person in my office in the past year has failed to ask about them.
4. Lastly
a) everything everyone else said. All the counless little areas where Apple pays enourmous attention to detail and MS merely copies the big picture idea to say "we got it too."
This includes things like the GUI itself and all interface philosophy, plug and play, firewire implementation, USB implementation and many others.
If Macs were card they would be like the Rolls Royce
PC's: Mazda
The mazda may have a fast souped up engin and a sun roof but my mac has an superb smooth ride and air conditioning.... and I hav a driver who gets me from a to z.
My point? PCs maybe getting a little faster than Macs but anyone who has used PCs will know that it is all a little cheap and nasty. They just don't work the way macs do.
Wee live in the modern world..... To cook a pizza we just stick it in the oven, we don't have to know how the oven works.
1. Resizing IE is still slower then molasses, was hoping for much more with Jaguar. (Gimmicky)
2. Certain websites tend to pop up other sites, (hey it?s my business) when more then two pop up it cripples the explorer, spinney ball of death, the works.
3. Streaming video on multiple sites crashes 80 percent of the time. I can stream six sites before my PC calls it quits.
4. Page rendering time, SLLLOOOOOWWWEEERRR then my Sparc 20.
5. Certain sites using Java code for menus doesn?t display correctly or not at all. Try <a href="http://www.interactivebrokers.uk.co"; target="_blank">www.interactivebrokers.uk.co</a> there should be a menu to your left.
6. Clean the cache and history, pack a lunch cause your going to be sitting for a while.
I have more but I?ll wait until you slam me for the top ones first. Then I 'll reply , you'll reply, I'll be called a Troll. When all I wan't is Apple to rectify this known problem, yes it's known, I've read hundreds of these boards to know that you all complain about the samethings I do. So BLAAAAHHHH
Nah, I know the posters on this board. Anytime some one talks bad about their religion they flip. I'm a Unix user, been one since I was 14. Apple wowed me because of their flashy new xwindows. However, It does have some issues, I can't disscuss them with my girlfriend. So I came here.....
<strong>Problems with surfing on the Web using OSX.
Machine: ibook 700, 640mb, OSX 10.2 non beta
1. Resizing IE is still slower then molasses, was hoping for much more with Jaguar. (Gimmicky)
2. Certain websites tend to pop up other sites, (hey it?s my business) when more then two pop up it cripples the explorer, spinney ball of death, the works.
3. Streaming video on multiple sites crashes 80 percent of the time. I can stream six sites before my PC calls it quits.
4. Page rendering time, SLLLOOOOOWWWEEERRR then my Sparc 20.
5. Certain sites using Java code for menus doesn?t display correctly or not at all. Try <a href="http://www.interactivebrokers.uk.co"; target="_blank">www.interactivebrokers.uk.co</a> there should be a menu to your left.
6. Clean the cache and history, pack a lunch cause your going to be sitting for a while.
I have more but I?ll wait until you slam me for the top ones first. Then I 'll reply , you'll reply, I'll be called a Troll. When all I wan't is Apple to rectify this known problem, yes it's known, I've read hundreds of these boards to know that you all complain about the samethings I do. So BLAAAAHHHH
1. This is a problem and everyone knows it. Blame it on the display layer that's too far ahead of its time.
2. Use something other than IE and kill those pop-ups dead.
3. 80% of the time? Again, use something other than IE.
4. Have you tried Chimera? Again, use something other than IE.
5. Can you say poor coding? This is a problem but it's the fault of the web designer, not Apple. But it does make the internet experience worse.
6. Huh? Use something other than IE.
It seems to me that most of your problems could be resolved by switching browsers. Most people would put IE up there as the worst of the bunch. And there are a bunch out right now for the mac. I don't think that you can really fault Apple for crappy software, especially if there are alternatives.
Have you tried Sherlock 3? That makes my internet experience much better. Believe it or not, the internet exists beyond what you see in a browser window. Mail (jaguar version) also makes the internet experience better. Great spam filtering. Best I've ever seen. Again, there is an internet beyond the browser window.
Oh, and switch from IE because it sucks. There are other complaints with some of the other browsers to be had for sure, but none that bad. (BTW, tabbed browsing of both Mozilla and Chimera makes the internet experience better. You get the point.)
-t
ps - why is this in current hardware? General discussion, anyone?
pps - you'd be considered a troll for this post because it's so blatantly off topic. You go into a thread cheering on a certain team and then rile up the fans by saying that team sucks. While it might be true, you weren't asked.
Thank?s for not calling me a Troll. I use IE because it?s the best out of the lot (used them all, currently have them all),.Apple must of thought that, because they use it as their default browser, or did they sell out to the big bad wolf. Statement is still the same, ?Surfing (viewing websites, not emails) on a Mac with the operating system OSX 10.1.X ? 10.2 is sub-par?. I posted it here because if were going to point a finger at another OS we should be men enough to except that are's is not the best either.
<strong>5. Certain sites using Java code for menus doesn’t display correctly or not at all. Try <a href="http://www.interactivebrokers.uk.co"; target="_blank">www.interactivebrokers.uk.co</a> there should be a menu to your left.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm here on windows (work) and I don't see that menu on the left.
<strong>Thank?s for not calling me a Troll. I use IE because it?s the best out of the lot (used them all, currently have them all),.Apple must of thought that, because they use it as their default browser, or did they sell out to the big bad wolf. Statement is still the same, ?Surfing (viewing websites, not emails) on a Mac with the operating system OSX 10.1.X ? 10.2 is sub-par?. I posted it here because if were going to point a finger at another OS we should be men enough to except that are's is not the best either.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did Apple sell out to the big bad wolf? Yes. In 1997, MS bailed them out with $150 million dollars and there was a 5 year commitment from both parties. MS would continue producing Mac software and Apple would ship IE as the default browswer.
You said that the internet experience is better on the PC. Maybe so, but I pointed out some specific examples of where it's pretty good on the Mac side as well. Now you go and change it to "viewing webpages on the PC is better." <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Sounds like double-talk to me.... There's more to the internet than viewing webpages...
You didn't answer my Sherlock question, though. Have you used it and does it make your 'surfing' experience better?
But I can order prints online from XP from 2 different suppliers.
Us UK/non-US users get screwed by Apple, as all their service are US-centric, and when we ask questions about when we'll get these services, all we hear is white noise.
I'm sure the apple representation in the UK is like a cardboard cut out village, ie nobody there.
It's my one and only complaint about Apple, which M$ are doing better. The world is going webservice crazy, and Apple is unfortunately only looking after it's own
Us UK/non-US users get screwed by Apple, as all their service are US-centric, and when we ask questions about when we'll get these services, all we hear is white noise.
Torifile, thank you, for spending time in correcting my evil ways. My point was always about regular surfing, not email, not Sherlock, just basic surfing. Stop twisting my words around to make me look like a crazy PC user who found a Mac at a garage sale. What are you the post police. These boards are supposed to be fun. I don't come here to try and debate about the politics of being a Mac user. When I post something like, "I think surfing on a Mac is slow", I?m hoping to hear, "Hmm interesting, have you tried tweaking this or I heard Apple is going to fix this because." What the heck is wrong with you, why do you care to get in debate with me over a computer. I see you have 900 posts, In that 900 post have you ever made friends in stead of enemy?s. We come here to talk about our hobbies and have fun. Please do not take it personal when someone say?s a piece of plastic with wires doesn?t do what it?s supposed too.
<strong>Torifile, thank you, for spending time in correcting my evil ways. My point was always about regular surfing, not email, not Sherlock, just basic surfing. Stop twisting my words around to make me look like a crazy PC user who found a Mac at a garage sale. What are you the post police. These boards are supposed to be fun. I don't come here to try and debate about the politics of being a Mac user. When I post something like, "I think surfing on a Mac is slow", I?m hoping to hear, "Hmm interesting, have you tried tweaking this or I heard Apple is going to fix this because."
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I guess you missed where I suggested that you use a different browser to help you fix your problem.
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What the heck is wrong with you, why do you care to get in debate with me over a computer. I see you have 900 posts, In that 900 post have you ever made friends in stead of enemy?s. We come here to talk about our hobbies and have fun.
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Have I made you an enemy? Because I pointed out that you are wrong that the internet experience on a Mac is sub-par? Why don't you search my 900+ posts and see how many times I've been accused of attacking someone. I'll save you the time: exactly once. I guess this is the second, eventhough it was not my intention.
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Please do not take it personal when someone say?s a piece of plastic with wires doesn?t do what it?s supposed too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It sounds to me like you're the one taking it personally.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you by responding to your posts. That's what a thread is about you know. And did you forget that you said this?
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I have more but I?ll wait until you slam me for the top ones first. Then I 'll reply , you'll reply, I'll be called a Troll.
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I was expecting to hear your other reasons not hear you whine about being 'attacked.' Again, sorry I offended you; that was not my intent.
I think the main thing you get buying a Mac is a big book of idiotic cliches to spout. Look for it in the box, it's called "1001 Car Analogies To Thwart Windows Users".
The only thing Macs can do that PCs can't is run the MacOS.
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the official 103 reasons why a mac is better than a pc
1. Real Plug and Play: USB works without hassle. Plug and play, not plug and pray! (win 95 -> winXP, still the same)
2. Fewer security holes.
3. Stability: Mac OS X NEVER crashes!!!
4. No .dll hell
5. No Windows Product Activation
6. Drag and drop - very poorly supported in windows
7. Better user interface.
8. Quartz graphics layer - antialiasing, built in PDF, smoothed fonts, 128X128 icons, transparencies, drop shadows, genie effect, GPU accelerated GUI, cursor casts its own shadow, no bit-maps
9. Moving files can be done even if they're open
10. Multiprocessor support. XP Home doesn't have it, XP Pro Multiprocessor support provides minimal speedups.
11. Sherlock 3: find movie times, flight times, street directory, ebay search, web search etc - all from a central simple program!
12. The free iApps: iMovie, iTunes, iPhoto, iDVD, iCal, iSync, iChat
13: Final Cut Pro
14. No Serial numbers needed
15. More logical structure to system hierarchy
16. Actual CD burning support out of the box.
17. Columns view.
18. nice HI Guidelines that developers stick to
19. Services (NeXT thing. eg click a file in the finder, and in services hit "Send To" and you're email box is opened with an draft email with the file attached to it - using code from other programs at a system wide level of integration)
20. Global menubar
21. UNIX foundation with a powerful terminal
22. Seamless integration over the UNIX foundation -- you only see the UNIX if you want to
23. Near zero hard disk fragmentation.
24. Rendezvous: networking with NO setup! Automatic IP generation/detection on a LAN, all you do is plug the machines together and say if you want file sharing turned on! No IP configuration
25. No viruses to worry about. 50,000 individual viruses giving reasons why not to use Windows
26. The clean organization of System Preferences
27. Apps aren't dependent on an open window to be open
28. Inkwell.
29. System wide address book.
30. Spring-loaded folders
31. Pretty icons (128x128 resolution images)
32. Lack of Ad-Aware due to the lack of #$#@ spyware slowing windows down
33. Minimize to dock really looks cool
34. Minimize in place - a cool alternative to minimise in the dock
35. The dock. Windows task bar + 128x128 res icons + a nicer representation overall + much better positioning of items and effects to and from the dock + hardware accelerated real time scaling of the dock icon size, movement of icons (eg with magnification) etc.
36. Force quit actually works
37. Microsoft Office v.X. MS Office X is better on this side (even Microsoft admits this)
38. A laptop that gets enough battery life to be actually useful
39. Software Airport Base Station.
40. Integration with wireless networks - far simpler to setup
41. Drop dead simple internet connectivity setup
42. Easy backup and reinstallation (if needed)
43. Drag and drop installation of applications
44. Drag and drop deletion of applications - drag the folder to the trash, empty trash and it's gone.
45. The iPod. The best MP3 player out there by a long shot, works best with a mac
46. Hardware connectivity: all mac's come with firewire standard, and the Pro line comes with gigabit ethernet standard - even the laptop models
47. Disk images. Store an exact, exact, exact replica of a CD as a file, distribute and burn, with ease
48. .Mac: you're 100MB webspace, 15MB of email accounts, backup file server, web server, image hosting location etc.
49. Core Audio. 5.1 surround sound integrated into the OS's very basis
50. Plug and Play networking.
51. UNIX so web development is a dream (built in mySQL, PHP4, Apache web serving, ftp server, Pearl, CGI - for free)
52. You don't click "Start" to shut down
53. You don't have to OK all 10 windows when you install something
54. You don't have to supervise your computer through the startup process
55. Well thought out industrial design
56. Mac's can run all flavors of windows, at once. Can windows run Mac OSX?
57. Setting up computer (when you buy it) couldnt be easier
58. Doesnt take 1hrs+ to install new OS (2.5hrs according to a shacknews article for Win2k)
59. Consistant interface accross most apps (in windows there are about 3 or 4 different save dialogs, in windows there are many different print dialog windows, many window programs don't use the same shortcut key combinations and many don't use any at all)
60. Animated folder icons.
61. Multi-threaded boot (ie can use multiple processors, and processors more efficiently when booting)
61. Free developer tools. All you need to program, with Visual Basic level capability - for free
62. Keychain. Store all you're passwords, accessable from the one (highly protected) password. ie, have 100 passwords in you're keychain, and only learn one of them!
63. Scientific calculator, complete with paper tape.
64. AppleScript - Can control and automate everything by typing plain English.
65. CUPS printing. UNIX level industrial strength stuff.
66. Bluetooth support, including file transfer
67. Built-in speech recognition
68. Speech-to-text
69. Apache
70. Unix based - And the all features that come with it
71. No Wizards.
72. Hide Application command
73. Hide every other application command
74. Save as PDF. PDF integrated into the core of the OS, fast and free.
75. No registry.
76. No device manager.
77. Easy to change permissions.
78. Software updating that isn't done through IE, which on Windows has more security holes itself than any other program.
79. Universal Access.
80. Desktop slide show.
81. Built-in Mail client that puts Outlook Express to shame.
82. Stickies
83. QuickTime isn't slow on a Mac.
84. RealOne uses Altivec.
85. When you do an install, you can still do other things (most installs on windows will take up the whole screen and not let you do anything during it and will require at least 1 restart in between each install, eg VS.Net: requires 6 restarts to install VS.Net and all its components on WinNT)
86. The mac is much more intuitive to do everything. You don't have to know hidden key combinations or right click on everything to figure out how to do something
87. IE isn't built into the OS so if IE crashes, the whole OS doesn't freeze (a well known major problem in win2k that was never fixed)
88. No MS creating their own 'standards' to screw up the true standards (java vs C#, MP3 vs WMA, [any video standard] vs WMV, HTML vs MS's own IE forced HTML, directX vs openGL)
88. The mac os is on the good side of the law, it doesnt perform illegal operations
89. Macs tell you "not enough space on disk" BEFORE you start copying
90. Apple scripts easy automation
91. Tight integration between the hardware and software, only possible because Apple controls every aspect of the Mac
92. You keep your data, Mac OS X doesn't have a knack for doing the nasty nasty to your hard drive
93. You don't have to reinstall the operating system on a periodic basis.
94. After buying your computer, it gets faster annually on a regular basis (OS X upgrades.)
95: Multitasking, you don't have to wait while you peripherals configure. or while you copy a file, and Mac OSX can any number of programs running at once well - windows dies after 2 hit the CPU simultaneously. eg I am running 8 programs at once on Mac OSX, some with multiple windows open and all doing something - and it feels just as fast as if I was running the one program
96. Integrated media system (quicktime). Everything that plays movie/audio is linked to a central system (quicktime), so when that is upgraded (eg MP3pro support, or MPEG4), ALL programs can use it straight away, and when it is sped up - all programs are sped up
97. Mac OSX is recognised by linux groups as the best implementation of a *nix system, due to its high appeal, features and rapid progress over time in development
98. Smart window resizing.
99. Finder kicks Windows Explorers butt.
100. Easy to hide any tool bar.
101. Previews in the Finder.
102. QuickTime movies and DVDs play in the Dock.
103. Transparent command line Window.
Find anyone with a pc of the same age that is still in use as anything other than a door stop and I will go get myself a Pizza
1. On laptops:
a) Mac laptops support every feature of the OS and the OS even has features created specifically for them - on PC laptops it's hit and miss with manufactuers mixing and matching their own shabbilly written utilities with those microsoft had to write not knowing what was out there.
b) Meaningful battery life - if you're doing Office stuff you get 5 hours, best I've seen any PC do is 1.5 hours.
c) quick startup times - Windows XP professional takes over 10 minutes (no kidding) to start up on every laptop I've seen in the office. All the users say their computers have been "broken".
2. On home computing:
a) iMovie - make amazing home videos that wow the friends and family
b) iTunes - organize music, create playlists, get hypnotized by hi-resolution visuas, burn CDs
c) iPhoto - organize your photos, share them in amazing ways - screen shows, hardcover coffee table books, etc.
d) run virtually all educational software
e) no viruses to deal with, no maintenance to deal with like defraging etc.
3. On looks
a) looks great
b) Soundsticks as a conversation piece - not a single person in my office in the past year has failed to ask about them.
4. Lastly
a) everything everyone else said. All the counless little areas where Apple pays enourmous attention to detail and MS merely copies the big picture idea to say "we got it too."
This includes things like the GUI itself and all interface philosophy, plug and play, firewire implementation, USB implementation and many others.
PC's: Mazda
The mazda may have a fast souped up engin and a sun roof but my mac has an superb smooth ride and air conditioning.... and I hav a driver who gets me from a to z.
My point? PCs maybe getting a little faster than Macs but anyone who has used PCs will know that it is all a little cheap and nasty. They just don't work the way macs do.
Wee live in the modern world..... To cook a pizza we just stick it in the oven, we don't have to know how the oven works.
I want to see code, just a happy mac
Speak soon
Joe
Machine: ibook 700, 640mb, OSX 10.2 non beta
1. Resizing IE is still slower then molasses, was hoping for much more with Jaguar. (Gimmicky)
2. Certain websites tend to pop up other sites, (hey it?s my business) when more then two pop up it cripples the explorer, spinney ball of death, the works.
3. Streaming video on multiple sites crashes 80 percent of the time. I can stream six sites before my PC calls it quits.
4. Page rendering time, SLLLOOOOOWWWEEERRR then my Sparc 20.
5. Certain sites using Java code for menus doesn?t display correctly or not at all. Try <a href="http://www.interactivebrokers.uk.co"; target="_blank">www.interactivebrokers.uk.co</a> there should be a menu to your left.
6. Clean the cache and history, pack a lunch cause your going to be sitting for a while.
I have more but I?ll wait until you slam me for the top ones first. Then I 'll reply , you'll reply, I'll be called a Troll. When all I wan't is Apple to rectify this known problem, yes it's known, I've read hundreds of these boards to know that you all complain about the samethings I do. So BLAAAAHHHH
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
..as if.
<strong>Problems with surfing on the Web using OSX.
Machine: ibook 700, 640mb, OSX 10.2 non beta
1. Resizing IE is still slower then molasses, was hoping for much more with Jaguar. (Gimmicky)
2. Certain websites tend to pop up other sites, (hey it?s my business) when more then two pop up it cripples the explorer, spinney ball of death, the works.
3. Streaming video on multiple sites crashes 80 percent of the time. I can stream six sites before my PC calls it quits.
4. Page rendering time, SLLLOOOOOWWWEEERRR then my Sparc 20.
5. Certain sites using Java code for menus doesn?t display correctly or not at all. Try <a href="http://www.interactivebrokers.uk.co"; target="_blank">www.interactivebrokers.uk.co</a> there should be a menu to your left.
6. Clean the cache and history, pack a lunch cause your going to be sitting for a while.
I have more but I?ll wait until you slam me for the top ones first. Then I 'll reply , you'll reply, I'll be called a Troll. When all I wan't is Apple to rectify this known problem, yes it's known, I've read hundreds of these boards to know that you all complain about the samethings I do. So BLAAAAHHHH
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1. This is a problem and everyone knows it. Blame it on the display layer that's too far ahead of its time.
2. Use something other than IE and kill those pop-ups dead.
3. 80% of the time? Again, use something other than IE.
4. Have you tried Chimera? Again, use something other than IE.
5. Can you say poor coding? This is a problem but it's the fault of the web designer, not Apple. But it does make the internet experience worse.
6. Huh? Use something other than IE.
It seems to me that most of your problems could be resolved by switching browsers. Most people would put IE up there as the worst of the bunch. And there are a bunch out right now for the mac. I don't think that you can really fault Apple for crappy software, especially if there are alternatives.
Have you tried Sherlock 3? That makes my internet experience much better. Believe it or not, the internet exists beyond what you see in a browser window. Mail (jaguar version) also makes the internet experience better. Great spam filtering. Best I've ever seen. Again, there is an internet beyond the browser window.
Oh, and switch from IE because it sucks. There are other complaints with some of the other browsers to be had for sure, but none that bad. (BTW, tabbed browsing of both Mozilla and Chimera makes the internet experience better. You get the point.)
-t
ps - why is this in current hardware? General discussion, anyone?
pps - you'd be considered a troll for this post because it's so blatantly off topic. You go into a thread cheering on a certain team and then rile up the fans by saying that team sucks. While it might be true, you weren't asked.
[ 08-22-2002: Message edited by: torifile ]</p>
<strong>5. Certain sites using Java code for menus doesn’t display correctly or not at all. Try <a href="http://www.interactivebrokers.uk.co"; target="_blank">www.interactivebrokers.uk.co</a> there should be a menu to your left.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm here on windows (work) and I don't see that menu on the left.
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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I'm here on windows (work) and I don't see that menu on the left.
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try changing the end of the url to the right one. it is not uk.co but it is co.uk
Home
Help/find
New customers
and
Fees/Minimums.
Using build 200281605 of Chimera.
It' doesn't show up in IE.
Omniweb 4.1 tries, but displays an error. I'd blame that on the coding and OW.
Plus Chimera renders the pages much faster than IE, even without the javascript mess.
So you might want to revisit Chimera/Mozilla.
You will be among the first to get FW 2.0
Final Cut Pro Runs on your machine
Scott Kelby, editor of PhotoshopUser uses one.
I havn't read it yet but from what I hear best book of 2002 is
Macintosh...The Naked Truth : By Scott Kelby
<strong>Thank?s for not calling me a Troll. I use IE because it?s the best out of the lot (used them all, currently have them all),.Apple must of thought that, because they use it as their default browser, or did they sell out to the big bad wolf. Statement is still the same, ?Surfing (viewing websites, not emails) on a Mac with the operating system OSX 10.1.X ? 10.2 is sub-par?. I posted it here because if were going to point a finger at another OS we should be men enough to except that are's is not the best either.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did Apple sell out to the big bad wolf? Yes. In 1997, MS bailed them out with $150 million dollars and there was a 5 year commitment from both parties. MS would continue producing Mac software and Apple would ship IE as the default browswer.
You said that the internet experience is better on the PC. Maybe so, but I pointed out some specific examples of where it's pretty good on the Mac side as well. Now you go and change it to "viewing webpages on the PC is better." <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Sounds like double-talk to me.... There's more to the internet than viewing webpages...
You didn't answer my Sherlock question, though. Have you used it and does it make your 'surfing' experience better?
But I can order prints online from XP from 2 different suppliers.
Us UK/non-US users get screwed by Apple, as all their service are US-centric, and when we ask questions about when we'll get these services, all we hear is white noise.
I'm sure the apple representation in the UK is like a cardboard cut out village, ie nobody there.
It's my one and only complaint about Apple, which M$ are doing better. The world is going webservice crazy, and Apple is unfortunately only looking after it's own
Tim
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Us UK/non-US users get screwed by Apple, as all their service are US-centric, and when we ask questions about when we'll get these services, all we hear is white noise.
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They're coming:
<a href="http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news_search.cfm?NewsID=5039"; target="_blank">Apple promises UK Sherlock slant </a>
<a href="http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news_search.cfm?NewsID=4803"; target="_blank">iPhoto printing ?coming to UK?</a>
J :cool:
<strong>Torifile, thank you, for spending time in correcting my evil ways. My point was always about regular surfing, not email, not Sherlock, just basic surfing. Stop twisting my words around to make me look like a crazy PC user who found a Mac at a garage sale. What are you the post police. These boards are supposed to be fun. I don't come here to try and debate about the politics of being a Mac user. When I post something like, "I think surfing on a Mac is slow", I?m hoping to hear, "Hmm interesting, have you tried tweaking this or I heard Apple is going to fix this because."
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I guess you missed where I suggested that you use a different browser to help you fix your problem.
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What the heck is wrong with you, why do you care to get in debate with me over a computer. I see you have 900 posts, In that 900 post have you ever made friends in stead of enemy?s. We come here to talk about our hobbies and have fun.
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Have I made you an enemy? Because I pointed out that you are wrong that the internet experience on a Mac is sub-par? Why don't you search my 900+ posts and see how many times I've been accused of attacking someone. I'll save you the time: exactly once. I guess this is the second, eventhough it was not my intention.
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Please do not take it personal when someone say?s a piece of plastic with wires doesn?t do what it?s supposed too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It sounds to me like you're the one taking it personally.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you by responding to your posts. That's what a thread is about you know. And did you forget that you said this?
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I have more but I?ll wait until you slam me for the top ones first. Then I 'll reply , you'll reply, I'll be called a Troll.
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I was expecting to hear your other reasons not hear you whine about being 'attacked.' Again, sorry I offended you; that was not my intent.
The only thing Macs can do that PCs can't is run the MacOS.
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Stickies rule.
[ 08-22-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>