On the topic of the gymnastics debacle, it's entirely FIG's fault. The Koreans can protest all they want, but the IOC certified the final results based on FIG officiating. The IOC can't change the results of any particular event, not even when a crazy Irishman tackles you to the ground while you lead the Marathon.
FIG is to blame for pretty much everything. Not one, but three judges made the same mistake. Hamm said he would give the medal if FIG forced the issue. Instead, they went the spineless route and made no decision and tried to put everything on Hamm's shoulders.
If the IOC isn't responsible, and FIG is too chicken to force the issue, why should Hamm give up the medal on his own accord?
The only variation of this situation in which I would award an additional gold medal would be if the Korean gymnast in question had gone last and if the scoring error had appeared there. Hamm, not the Korean, went last.
Was I seeing things, or did the Greeks build the world's largest joint at olympic stadium? No wonder the Games went so happily.
The games far exceeded my expectations. In fact, it was probably the best I can remember as far as atmosphere goes. Beijing 2008 has a huge task ahead of it if it ants to live up to Athens 2004. I don't think it can be done...if the cheesy teaser we got in the closing ceremonies is any indication, I tihnk I'm going to be very disappointed.
I don't want to see pop looking girls who can't dance in sync playing the erhu, nor do I want to see a generic wushu, sword dance or ribbon dance demonstration...and find a little girl who can lip sync her pre-recording in tune...
I'm half expecting multicolored dancing terra cotta soldiers.
They mentioned during the closing ceremonies that China is in a much better position now for 2008 than Greece was earlier this year.
I had an idea about gymnastics and scoring. Why couldn't it scored like diving? Each routine has a preset difficulty accumulated from the various flips, spins, releases, etc. After the routine eliminate the highest and lowest scores from the judges, then add the remaining scores. Finally multiply that sum by the difficulty. This would give a much larger variation on scoring. This wouldn't get rid of errors, but I think it would make scoring a little less subjective as you could easily break down each part of the routine.
They mentioned during the closing ceremonies that China is in a much better position now for 2008 than Greece was earlier this year.
Preparedness and presentation are two different things altogether.
Lillehammer was a great example of a wonderfully presented games despite new 2-year stagger which left them no time to prepare. Atlanta was remarkably prepared, but also remarkably tacky.
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FIG is to blame for pretty much everything. Not one, but three judges made the same mistake. Hamm said he would give the medal if FIG forced the issue. Instead, they went the spineless route and made no decision and tried to put everything on Hamm's shoulders.
If the IOC isn't responsible, and FIG is too chicken to force the issue, why should Hamm give up the medal on his own accord?
The only variation of this situation in which I would award an additional gold medal would be if the Korean gymnast in question had gone last and if the scoring error had appeared there. Hamm, not the Korean, went last.
Originally posted by Towel
Was I seeing things, or did the Greeks build the world's largest joint at olympic stadium? No wonder the Games went so happily.
The games far exceeded my expectations. In fact, it was probably the best I can remember as far as atmosphere goes. Beijing 2008 has a huge task ahead of it if it ants to live up to Athens 2004. I don't think it can be done...if the cheesy teaser we got in the closing ceremonies is any indication, I tihnk I'm going to be very disappointed.
I don't want to see pop looking girls who can't dance in sync playing the erhu, nor do I want to see a generic wushu, sword dance or ribbon dance demonstration...and find a little girl who can lip sync her pre-recording in tune...
I'm half expecting multicolored dancing terra cotta soldiers.
I had an idea about gymnastics and scoring. Why couldn't it scored like diving? Each routine has a preset difficulty accumulated from the various flips, spins, releases, etc. After the routine eliminate the highest and lowest scores from the judges, then add the remaining scores. Finally multiply that sum by the difficulty. This would give a much larger variation on scoring. This wouldn't get rid of errors, but I think it would make scoring a little less subjective as you could easily break down each part of the routine.
Originally posted by rogue master
They mentioned during the closing ceremonies that China is in a much better position now for 2008 than Greece was earlier this year.
Preparedness and presentation are two different things altogether.
Lillehammer was a great example of a wonderfully presented games despite new 2-year stagger which left them no time to prepare. Atlanta was remarkably prepared, but also remarkably tacky.