Actually we have it wrong. Apple is the cat, and our collective wallets are the cow. What you don't see, just off camera, is one of the many big game hunters visiting from PC land. They're not our friends either, they wear cat and eat cow, but at least they'll keep cows around long after cats are dead.
<strong>Actually we have it wrong. Apple is the cat, and our collective wallets are the cow. What you don't see, just off camera, is one of the many big game hunters visiting from PC land. They're not our friends either, they wear cat and eat cow, but at least they'll keep cows around long after cats are dead.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Matsu, you sound like you have a depression. This is NOT an attack, but you really do
Actually, I'm feeling a little depressed just reading your comments lately...
Well, I saw the TV ad, its website, and the PDF file. Interesting things are they have removed the word "Independent" on its website testing section. Also the PDF file I downloaded in the morning was different from the one now on its site. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
TechTV reviewed the high end $2199 Profile 4 and in Quake at 640x430x32 it got 61.4 FPS. Whereas the .pdf that Gateway has posted says that at 640x480 it gets over 140 FPS?
The high end Gateway Profile XL as tested is actuall $1999. I was confused at first too, but it seems that the Profile X and Profile XL can both be configured with the same specs, but different prices. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Don't want to talk about the look or the SuperDrive or the iApps. But just performance. These are really bad !
What Apple can do? They must react to this!
What do you think?
Put a 133 Mhz bus? add L3 cache? better Java support for browser? better IE (thanks to not tell me that Chimera/Mozilla exist, I'm talking for the lambda user here)? Give a 5GB iPod for free when you buy an iMac?
What do you think?
Have'nt read all the reply's but this just prove's
one thing, as alway's, if you want a computer buy
a Mac, if you want a games machine buy a PC!!!!!!!!!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>The high end Gateway Profile XL as tested is actuall $1999. I was confused at first too, but it seems that the Profile X and Profile XL can both be configured with the same specs, but different prices. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Even still, TechTV tested the highend model w/P4 not celeron and got (much) lower FPS than the .pdf shows.
My ideal counter-ad would be this: slightly desaturated photos of people using golf clubs, baseball bats, sledge hammers, and large wrenches to batter Profile 4s to bits. You don't see the people really, maybe a hand here and there. The focus is on the Profile 4 and whatever tool is being used to destroy it. Near the end, a Pixar rendered iMac peers at a Profile 4, then savagely uses its head to bash the Profile 4 into a wall. Not much distance to the wall, nice smashing, then a fall to the floor with even more crunching and a small cloud of dust. Fade to white screen with Apple logo, the text 'The New iMac' above the logo and 'www.apple.com/imac' under it. Fade to a nice picture of an iMac sitting on a beautiful rock scenery with the clouds sailing by, given a nice bluish tint.
One thing I have kept note of were peoples views that a P4<insert speed here> powered computers are alike in terms of speed.
Wrong!
You can have 10 systems from different manufacturers with the same processor, same ram, same HD's and their speeds are very different from each other based on poor design of other components, differing Mobo technologies and limitations placed on such things as cooling. Do you think this Profile 4 system wouldn't be hobbled by the fact that it has been pushed into this form-factor?
Had a look at it and it's not so bad in the looks department as people say, although I will agree the iMac eats it in that respect and engineering/ergonomics (Not factoring things like OSX, also boy Apple know how to make older technology perform well).
There are a couple of interesting articles on this debate this morning. First in from TechTV, who has somehow lapsed back into reality long enough to say something intelligent about an Apple product.
Oh is that the new IMac, from McIntosh? Or is it from MAC? I forget which. I'm Dumb, DumbAss, and I use a Windows PC. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Wouldn't it be cool if Apple made commercials people liked? Like the good ol' days, when they had waaay more than a 2% market share (don't kid yourself here, there are unmeasured legions of PCs out there.)
Responing to the cheap pc's don't last long thing from the top. I bought a PowerMac 8100/80 in 1993. These babies were built to last. The only time I had to bring it in to the shop was when I bump my monitor off the desk onto the case which cracked it. Of course I got the case fix but other than that I have had no problem with it. 9yrs count them 9yrs and the computer still works. I sure would like to see a windows user say that about one of their cheap (PC's)
My visit to the "Gateway Barnyard" off Columbus Circle here in Manhattan gave me a chance to see these machines up close and personal. They really stink. That's as in Gad, where did they get these ideas, off AppleInsider nighmare scenarios from 3 years ago? The NY Times had a scathing review that reminded all what an all-in-one has to be, besides there. The original iMac was, like the original Mac 128k, approachable, easy to grasp (literally) and immediately useful. The new iMac requires a little imagination to think of it on your desk, but once you get the image, like my beloved Cubes, you HAVE to get one.
Aside: The Soho Apple Store is drop-dead gorgeous. The Gateway store isn't.
PS that Jaguar/Jersey photo had my LMAO. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Maybe I shouldn't pile on poor Dell here <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> But, Hell, why not <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
My wife just went back to school, but found herself with a new DELL modular on her desk. Her university is Not Mac Friendly, though she has borrowed my powerbook for emergencies and uses an iMac supersnow at home.
Well two DAYS of fiddling with the thing and with techs crawling all over her office and they still can't get her email, word processing, and the like working efficiently.
I took in my office iMac, put it down on the desk, plugged it in, popped in an ethernet line, entered the appropriate password, and there was everything streaming across her screen. Time elapsed, 23 minutes from arrival to departure. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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<strong>Actually we have it wrong. Apple is the cat, and our collective wallets are the cow. What you don't see, just off camera, is one of the many big game hunters visiting from PC land. They're not our friends either, they wear cat and eat cow, but at least they'll keep cows around long after cats are dead.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Matsu, you sound like you have a depression. This is NOT an attack, but you really do
Actually, I'm feeling a little depressed just reading your comments lately...
[ 08-30-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
Kenneth
TechTV reviewed the high end $2199 Profile 4 and in Quake at 640x430x32 it got 61.4 FPS. Whereas the .pdf that Gateway has posted says that at 640x480 it gets over 140 FPS?
Somebody's wrong, but who? Hmmm.
<a href="http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/products/story/0,24330,3397631,00.html"; target="_blank">TechTV review.</a>
Is the cow trying to be cunning?
[QB]Don't know if it's good for us or bad for Apple? or both? look for the test in this PDF:
<a href="http://www.etestinglabs.com/main/reports/gateway.pdf"; target="_blank">http://www.etestinglabs.com/main/reports/gateway.pdf</a>;
Don't want to talk about the look or the SuperDrive or the iApps. But just performance. These are really bad !
What Apple can do? They must react to this!
What do you think?
Put a 133 Mhz bus? add L3 cache? better Java support for browser? better IE (thanks to not tell me that Chimera/Mozilla exist, I'm talking for the lambda user here)? Give a 5GB iPod for free when you buy an iMac?
What do you think?
Have'nt read all the reply's but this just prove's
one thing, as alway's, if you want a computer buy
a Mac, if you want a games machine buy a PC!!!!!!!!!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>The high end Gateway Profile XL as tested is actuall $1999. I was confused at first too, but it seems that the Profile X and Profile XL can both be configured with the same specs, but different prices. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Even still, TechTV tested the highend model w/P4 not celeron and got (much) lower FPS than the .pdf shows.
Weird.
Wrong!
You can have 10 systems from different manufacturers with the same processor, same ram, same HD's and their speeds are very different from each other based on poor design of other components, differing Mobo technologies and limitations placed on such things as cooling. Do you think this Profile 4 system wouldn't be hobbled by the fact that it has been pushed into this form-factor?
Had a look at it and it's not so bad in the looks department as people say, although I will agree the iMac eats it in that respect and engineering/ergonomics (Not factoring things like OSX, also boy Apple know how to make older technology perform well).
Have fun
<a href="http://www.techtv.com/news/computing/story/0,24195,3398157,00.html"; target="_blank">How Gateway Profile 4 Compares to IMac</a>
Of course they still can't spell the word iMac correctly, but let's not get greedy.
The second is a little number about the desperate Ted Waitt as he tries something... anything... to get Gateway out of the tank
<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_36/b3798057.htm"; target="_blank">Gateway: Picking Fights It Just Might Lose</a>
Taking on Dell in a price war.. and taking on Apple's iMac with the all-mighty Profile 4. Not exactly brilliance, but hey, the guy is desperate.
Wouldn't it be cool if Apple made commercials people liked? Like the good ol' days, when they had waaay more than a 2% market share (don't kid yourself here, there are unmeasured legions of PCs out there.)
Aside: The Soho Apple Store is drop-dead gorgeous. The Gateway store isn't.
PS that Jaguar/Jersey photo had my LMAO. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
My wife just went back to school, but found herself with a new DELL modular on her desk. Her university is Not Mac Friendly, though she has borrowed my powerbook for emergencies and uses an iMac supersnow at home.
Well two DAYS of fiddling with the thing and with techs crawling all over her office and they still can't get her email, word processing, and the like working efficiently.
I took in my office iMac, put it down on the desk, plugged it in, popped in an ethernet line, entered the appropriate password, and there was everything streaming across her screen. Time elapsed, 23 minutes from arrival to departure. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />