The only thing I know about FreeScale is that IBM is certain they will be very strong in the next year. They still need to deliver, but I still believe we will see a 2GHZ PowerBook by MWSF, likely sooner. A bump to 1.8 GHZ wouldn't be bad considering previous bumps, but I think the 7448 will surprise.
I think a 2G PB by MWSF is rather optimistic - I suspect a 1.7G part will be deployed first - so Apple can stretch the 1.5-2G over 12months.
So I think we should see an update prior to MWSF and then 6 months later for the magical 2G mark?, and only if there is enough cpu's to cover demand.
The last update was April 19 - which is early in the quarter (allows for apple to ship any backlog prior to June 30 without affecting their quarterly targets).
At worst case, things (supply of 7448) could get pushed back to MWSF and then again WWDC 6 months later?
i doubt that the G4 can even get to 1.8 Ghz, at least in a powerbook. since most chips have gotten down to 90 nm, chipmakers can't get them much smaller with the current architecture. ...
The current G4's are at 130nm, and I thought I'd read somewhere that the 'hot spots' had been eliminated during the 130nm process shrink... Programmer?
The current G4's have been sold as 130nm parts but they are beig generous with the designation from my understanding of things. So if Freescale actually shrinks the G4 to 90nm on a completely different process things could be looking very good in G4++ land.
I'm truely hopefull as the 970 series is starting to become a big joke.
Thanks
Dave
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Originally posted by cubist
The current G4's are at 130nm, and I thought I'd read somewhere that the 'hot spots' had been eliminated during the 130nm process shrink... Programmer?
Maybe maybe not depends on how accurate the rumor mill is about problems with the 2.5GHz machines. If they beocme avialable in large volumns and maintain reliability in the field then it proballly is a bit harsh.
The realality is that the 970FX has a very narrow window in which it can operate reliably. This is not a good sign in my estimation. The fact that IBM was not successful in delivering a low voltage variant pretty much has eliminated the G5 from near term low power usage.
As to price and performance that simply is not true but this is a powerbook thread so we should avoid that discussion.
The big problem with a G4 machine is that software wise it will have a limited future. 64 bit addressing is the future.
Thanks
Dave
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Originally posted by hasapi
That's a bit harsh - the PMacs price/performance is better than anything in Wintel (Opteron/Xeon) workstation class, and will only get better.
I think your right about the the G4 though - here's hoping.
Maybe maybe not depends on how accurate the rumor mill is about problems with the 2.5GHz machines. If they beocme avialable in large volumns and maintain reliability in the field then it proballly is a bit harsh.
The realality is that the 970FX has a very narrow window in which it can operate reliably. This is not a good sign in my estimation. The fact that IBM was not successful in delivering a low voltage variant pretty much has eliminated the G5 from near term low power usage.
As to price and performance that simply is not true but this is a powerbook thread so we should avoid that discussion.
The big problem with a G4 machine is that software wise it will have a limited future. 64 bit addressing is the future.
Thanks
Dave
I don't know much about freescale's plans... But aren't they trying to migrate the g4 into a 64bit chip?
The cram and jam promo ends soon. I wonder if this is a sign?
i think it means apple is making all those stupid students and teachers buy like a gazillion apple products at once, just so they good get rid of all those g4 chips they have... then theyll point and laugh when they release a new rev of pb
I would wait if I were you, or you would just regret it later.
I saw discussions of the forthcoming powerbook update specs. in Taiwan Mac website, the guy said his company had contracted with Apple to produce iBook/12" Powerbook and that's the two model he had inside informations. I thought he is a notebook engineer because he know some informations that obviously only engineer who is involved in iBook/Powerbook production will know, like from which company Apple bought panels.
According to his infromation, the next 12' Powerbook update should have a 1.7 GHz microprocessor while the iBook will focus on cost down and have some neat new functions, however he did not provide any further detail informations. According to his informations, it was not until next spring we will see these new powerbooks, but I still want believe new powerbook oct/nov, because I had been waiting for a new 15' powerbook too too tooo loooong.
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Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
The only thing I know about FreeScale is that IBM is certain they will be very strong in the next year. They still need to deliver, but I still believe we will see a 2GHZ PowerBook by MWSF, likely sooner. A bump to 1.8 GHZ wouldn't be bad considering previous bumps, but I think the 7448 will surprise.
I think a 2G PB by MWSF is rather optimistic - I suspect a 1.7G part will be deployed first - so Apple can stretch the 1.5-2G over 12months.
So I think we should see an update prior to MWSF and then 6 months later for the magical 2G mark?, and only if there is enough cpu's to cover demand.
The last update was April 19 - which is early in the quarter (allows for apple to ship any backlog prior to June 30 without affecting their quarterly targets).
At worst case, things (supply of 7448) could get pushed back to MWSF and then again WWDC 6 months later?
Originally posted by exhibit_13
i doubt that the G4 can even get to 1.8 Ghz, at least in a powerbook. since most chips have gotten down to 90 nm, chipmakers can't get them much smaller with the current architecture. ...
The current G4's are at 130nm, and I thought I'd read somewhere that the 'hot spots' had been eliminated during the 130nm process shrink... Programmer?
I'm truely hopefull as the 970 series is starting to become a big joke.
Thanks
Dave
Originally posted by cubist
The current G4's are at 130nm, and I thought I'd read somewhere that the 'hot spots' had been eliminated during the 130nm process shrink... Programmer?
Originally posted by wizard69
I'm truely hopefull as the 970 series is starting to become a big joke.
That's a bit harsh - the PMacs price/performance is better than anything in Wintel (Opteron/Xeon) workstation class, and will only get better.
I think your right about the the G4 though - here's hoping.
Originally posted by emig647
You answered my questions... I'm going to try to get a 15" PB now.
I wouldnt do that if I were you...
Originally posted by Peter North
I wouldnt do that if I were you...
???
Originally posted by Peter North
I wouldnt do that if I were you...
I would...
The realality is that the 970FX has a very narrow window in which it can operate reliably. This is not a good sign in my estimation. The fact that IBM was not successful in delivering a low voltage variant pretty much has eliminated the G5 from near term low power usage.
As to price and performance that simply is not true but this is a powerbook thread so we should avoid that discussion.
The big problem with a G4 machine is that software wise it will have a limited future. 64 bit addressing is the future.
Thanks
Dave
Originally posted by hasapi
That's a bit harsh - the PMacs price/performance is better than anything in Wintel (Opteron/Xeon) workstation class, and will only get better.
I think your right about the the G4 though - here's hoping.
Originally posted by wizard69
Maybe maybe not depends on how accurate the rumor mill is about problems with the 2.5GHz machines. If they beocme avialable in large volumns and maintain reliability in the field then it proballly is a bit harsh.
The realality is that the 970FX has a very narrow window in which it can operate reliably. This is not a good sign in my estimation. The fact that IBM was not successful in delivering a low voltage variant pretty much has eliminated the G5 from near term low power usage.
As to price and performance that simply is not true but this is a powerbook thread so we should avoid that discussion.
The big problem with a G4 machine is that software wise it will have a limited future. 64 bit addressing is the future.
Thanks
Dave
I don't know much about freescale's plans... But aren't they trying to migrate the g4 into a 64bit chip?
Originally posted by emig647
I don't know much about freescale's plans... But aren't they trying to migrate the g4 into a 64bit chip?
Yeah! 2006
e700
Originally posted by Fat Freddy
Yeah! 2006
e700
Oh ... well... that's like right around the corner
Originally posted by emig647
Oh ... well... that's like right around the corner
We'll see
Apple don't want to release a powerbook which is weaker then the imac released before it.
That's just plain stupid.
The new pb's will look like this:
12" pb: 1.6 ghz G4, a Nvidia low/mid-end card 64 mb, 256mb ddr 333mhz.
15" pb: 1.8 ghz G4, Ati 9800 mobility 128 mb, 512 mb ddr 400 mhz.
17" pb: 1.8/1.93 ghz G4, Ati 9800 mobility 128 mb, 512 mb ddr 400 mhz.
All with 1024k chache.
And maybe a slight decrease in price.
Release: End of october/start of november.
Wait and see...
Originally posted by dennis88
The next Rev. will have a G4 1.8 ghz or more atleast.
Apple don't want to release a powerbook which is weaker then the imac released before it.
That's just plain stupid.
The new pb's will look like this:
12" pb: 1.6 ghz G4, a Nvidia low/mid-end card 64 mb, 256mb ddr 333mhz.
15" pb: 1.8 ghz G4, Ati 9800 mobility 128 mb, 512 mb ddr 400 mhz.
17" pb: 1.8/1.93 ghz G4, Ati 9800 mobility 128 mb, 512 mb ddr 400 mhz.
All with 1024k chache.
And maybe a slight decrease in price.
Release: End of october/start of november.
Wait and see...
how can you be so sure of that ? I'm willing to wait till the end of october...but how sure are you of that ?
thanks
peace
Originally posted by wanea
how can you be so sure of that ? I'm willing to wait till the end of october...but how sure are you of that ?
thanks
peace
I would wait if I were you, or you would just regret it later.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
The cram and jam promo ends soon. I wonder if this is a sign?
i think it means apple is making all those stupid students and teachers buy like a gazillion apple products at once, just so they good get rid of all those g4 chips they have... then theyll point and laugh when they release a new rev of pb
Originally posted by dennis88
I would wait if I were you, or you would just regret it later.
I saw discussions of the forthcoming powerbook update specs. in Taiwan Mac website, the guy said his company had contracted with Apple to produce iBook/12" Powerbook and that's the two model he had inside informations. I thought he is a notebook engineer because he know some informations that obviously only engineer who is involved in iBook/Powerbook production will know, like from which company Apple bought panels.
According to his infromation, the next 12' Powerbook update should have a 1.7 GHz microprocessor while the iBook will focus on cost down and have some neat new functions, however he did not provide any further detail informations. According to his informations, it was not until next spring we will see these new powerbooks, but I still want believe new powerbook oct/nov, because I had been waiting for a new 15' powerbook too too tooo loooong.