PowerBook G5s probably aren't that close but it would be cool if they could make it by Christmas. More like a MWSF, shipping by Feb or haha knowing Apple...March. If they can fit all that in to the iMac they can do it with a laptop. What amazes me is that they fit the power supply in there! I mean why not have a AC adapter brick! I wouldn't mind that at all. That was what really impressed me!
An AC adapter brick ???
you just destroyed the entire AIO -"look mom, just a string attached"- concept of the new iMac.
By looking at the released models power management specs. Anyone can see it, you just have to look.
And yes, Apple has "announced" in their power management kernel extension specs in 10.3.5 that there will be 2 PowerBooks based on the 970fx and PowerTune.
You should interpet what you found to indicate that APPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 970FX base laptops on the market. The interesting question is when will they be able to deliver the machine.
The rumor mill along with the reality mill hasn't been to kind with respect to IBM and their ability to get it up. With out a 970FX that works reliably at power frugally the 970 based laptop will simply be a dream. I very much suspect that Apple is dreaming about this, maybe even having nightmares like they did back in the Motorola days, so it will be interesting how long the wait is. I suspect that they will arrive as soon as IBM starts to build the 970FX rev x on a new process.
Dave
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Originally posted by Rhumgod
By looking at the released models power management specs. Anyone can see it, you just have to look.
And yes, Apple has "announced" in their power management kernel extension specs in 10.3.5 that there will be 2 PowerBooks based on the 970fx and PowerTune.
Look how badly the current Apple laptops, and almost everyone's towers, are gitting clobbered by a 2GHz Pentium M notebook:
So you don't even need to get a huge PC notebook, the 2GHz Pentium M seems to come in somewhere between 5-7 pounds.
Note that Live 4 only used one processor in multiprocessor machines, so it seems that for this program the 2GHz Pentium M is about the equivalent of a 2.5GHz G5. Which is what I want in my powerbook (and in the new iMac, but that is a different thread).
i see a list where every processor on the market is "clobbered" by a 2Ghz Pentium M.
is it possible that it's not that well optimized for mac.
is it possible that these are results submitted by users so it hassn't not done properly
I ran across the link in the OSX audeo forums, the original tests are at theAbleton forums
They have a lot of people are posting their results, and they seem to be matching up consistently, so it looks like an good test.
Live 4 should be optimized as well for Mac as it is for the PC, and judging from the test results the Macs are performing about were we would expect them to.
I wish Apple would consider a thicker Powerbook. By sacrificing some of the "sexiness" of the 1 inch-design they would be able to add so much more in terms of usability and power.
Consider this: The current Powerbooks are 1 inch thick, of which (roughly 0.5" is screen, keyboard and frame.
Thus, by making the Powerbook 1.5" thick they would *double* the internal capacity.
Plenty of room for a battery twice as big - probably supplying three times the power...
The processor gets twice the room - a G5 with a nifty cooling system would fit.
Also, there would be a lot much more space for air to flow inside - as the superdrive, motherboard etc. would not have to grow.
Finally, a thicker powerbook could also bring a better screen and a sturdier frame/surface.
In alles, by adding (around) half an inch we would get a kick-ass Powerbook! Not much of a sacrifice if you ask me (who is perfectly happy with the size and weight of my Pismo - but waiting for portable G5 power).
In alles, by adding (around) half an inch we would get a kick-ass Powerbook! Not much of a sacrifice if you ask me (who is perfectly happy with the size and weight of my Pismo - but waiting for portable G5 power).
If they got any bigger I would most certainly not want one. More capacity, means bigger batteries, more junk and more weight. I want a lightweight small laptop. I can see your argument for an additional desktop replacement laptop, but not making all the powerbooks thicker just because you are OK with thickness.
I think we will see one of two scenarios - either Apple releases two 970fx PowerTuned PowerBooks and keep the 12 incher or they go back to a two-notebook lineup for the PowerBook range. I think the prior is the solution they will take. According to machine codes, PowerBook{odd},x is the 15" and 17" models, PowerBook{even},x are the iBooks and 12" PowerBook.
I think we will see one of two scenarios - either Apple releases two 970fx PowerTuned PowerBooks and keep the 12 incher or they go back to a two-notebook lineup for the PowerBook range. I think the prior is the solution they will take. According to machine codes, PowerBook{odd},x is the 15" and 17" models, PowerBook{even},x are the iBooks and 12" PowerBook.
yeah but these 970fx based powerbooks could come after another g4 revision or two
yeah but these 970fx based powerbooks could come after another g4 revision or two
They could come two years from now also. God only knows, but my gut feeling is MWSF 2005. I really don't see Freescale advancing much. I guess we will see tomorrow morning (8:45am CST or so) what Freescale is up to.
What's up with the G3 at 800mhz beating the G4 at 800mhz. The only difference is Jaguar on the G3 and Panther on the G4. Is panther really that much of a dog?
Could it be this software is not Alti-vec optimized? Could that significantly change those results if it were?
Not dual processor.
Not using Altivec.
Perhaps you need better software.
I admit, I don't know what Alberton 4 is or whatever, but whatever it does, there should be a better alternative.
What's up with the G3 at 800mhz beating the G4 at 800mhz. The only difference is Jaguar on the G3 and Panther on the G4. Is panther really that much of a dog?
Ive only seen iBook G4's eating iBook G3's for breakfast...?
A company named Eurocom released specs for their new laptop and it's video card is listed as the Geforce 6800 Go. Could this new yet to be released chip be included in a new Powerbook since the 6800 Ultra is going into the PowerMac? Just thought I would throw this out since people were talking about the mobile Radeon 9800 chip.
Ive only seen iBook G4's eating iBook G3's for breakfast...?
Having used both iBook G3s and G4s as well as PowerMac G3s and G4s and G5s, I can conclude that a G4 will do circles around G3s in floating point intensive (read: most Mac OS X apps these days) apps and the G5 does similar to G4-based systems. Sure, the carbon-based, non-altivec using app will fair well under all of these systems, but launch something simple like Final Cut Express on one and you will see a big difference.
A company named Eurocom released specs for their new laptop and it's video card is listed as the Geforce 6800 Go. Could this new yet to be released chip be included in a new Powerbook since the 6800 Ultra is going into the PowerMac? Just thought I would throw this out since people were talking about the mobile Radeon 9800 chip.
I kind of doubt it, since Eurocom laptops tend to be much larger than Powerbooks (the former generally being more of a desktop replacement), I doubt that the 6800 Go would be a good choice for the Powerbooks.
As far as the Pentium 2ghz M beating those other procs... BS. I'd put a p4 3ghz against a AMD 64 3200+ any day. Perhaps that software doesn't do floating point calculations?
If you want a good benchmark utility for just cpu...... use dnetc.
Also... wasn't aware there was a pentium-m running at 2ghz yet... weird.
Live 4 should be optimized as well for Mac as it is for the PC
Is that why it obviously ist MP aware? If it don't take advantage of two processors, why would one assume that it's optimized for Mac at all? Is there support for Altivec on Mac? SSE or SSE2 on a PC?
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Originally posted by Aquatic
PowerBook G5s probably aren't that close but it would be cool if they could make it by Christmas. More like a MWSF, shipping by Feb or haha knowing Apple...March. If they can fit all that in to the iMac they can do it with a laptop. What amazes me is that they fit the power supply in there! I mean why not have a AC adapter brick! I wouldn't mind that at all. That was what really impressed me!
An AC adapter brick ???
you just destroyed the entire AIO -"look mom, just a string attached"- concept of the new iMac.
i would mind, i wouldn't have bought the bastard.
Originally posted by PB
How you can know that?
By looking at the released models power management specs. Anyone can see it, you just have to look.
And yes, Apple has "announced" in their power management kernel extension specs in 10.3.5 that there will be 2 PowerBooks based on the 970fx and PowerTune.
You just have to look.
The rumor mill along with the reality mill hasn't been to kind with respect to IBM and their ability to get it up. With out a 970FX that works reliably at power frugally the 970 based laptop will simply be a dream. I very much suspect that Apple is dreaming about this, maybe even having nightmares like they did back in the Motorola days, so it will be interesting how long the wait is. I suspect that they will arrive as soon as IBM starts to build the 970FX rev x on a new process.
Dave
Originally posted by Rhumgod
By looking at the released models power management specs. Anyone can see it, you just have to look.
And yes, Apple has "announced" in their power management kernel extension specs in 10.3.5 that there will be 2 PowerBooks based on the 970fx and PowerTune.
You just have to look.
So you don't even need to get a huge PC notebook, the 2GHz Pentium M seems to come in somewhere between 5-7 pounds.
Note that Live 4 only used one processor in multiprocessor machines, so it seems that for this program the 2GHz Pentium M is about the equivalent of a 2.5GHz G5. Which is what I want in my powerbook (and in the new iMac, but that is a different thread).
Originally posted by Res
Look how badly the current Apple laptops, and almost everyone's towers, are gitting clobbered by a 2GHz Pentium M notebook:
i see a list where every processor on the market is "clobbered" by a 2Ghz Pentium M.
is it possible that it's not that well optimized for mac.
is it possible that these are results submitted by users so it hassn't not done properly
Originally posted by gar
i see a list where every processor on the market is "clobbered" by a 2Ghz Pentium M.
is it possible that it's not that well optimized for mac.
is it possible that these are results submitted by users so it hassn't not done properly
I ran across the link in the OSX audeo forums, the original tests are at theAbleton forums
They have a lot of people are posting their results, and they seem to be matching up consistently, so it looks like an good test.
Live 4 should be optimized as well for Mac as it is for the PC, and judging from the test results the Macs are performing about were we would expect them to.
Consider this: The current Powerbooks are 1 inch thick, of which (roughly 0.5" is screen, keyboard and frame.
Thus, by making the Powerbook 1.5" thick they would *double* the internal capacity.
Plenty of room for a battery twice as big - probably supplying three times the power...
The processor gets twice the room - a G5 with a nifty cooling system would fit.
Also, there would be a lot much more space for air to flow inside - as the superdrive, motherboard etc. would not have to grow.
Finally, a thicker powerbook could also bring a better screen and a sturdier frame/surface.
In alles, by adding (around) half an inch we would get a kick-ass Powerbook! Not much of a sacrifice if you ask me (who is perfectly happy with the size and weight of my Pismo - but waiting for portable G5 power).
Originally posted by Kendoka
In alles, by adding (around) half an inch we would get a kick-ass Powerbook! Not much of a sacrifice if you ask me (who is perfectly happy with the size and weight of my Pismo - but waiting for portable G5 power).
If they got any bigger I would most certainly not want one. More capacity, means bigger batteries, more junk and more weight. I want a lightweight small laptop. I can see your argument for an additional desktop replacement laptop, but not making all the powerbooks thicker just because you are OK with thickness.
Originally posted by Rhumgod
I think we will see one of two scenarios - either Apple releases two 970fx PowerTuned PowerBooks and keep the 12 incher or they go back to a two-notebook lineup for the PowerBook range. I think the prior is the solution they will take. According to machine codes, PowerBook{odd},x is the 15" and 17" models, PowerBook{even},x are the iBooks and 12" PowerBook.
yeah but these 970fx based powerbooks could come after another g4 revision or two
Originally posted by Peter North
yeah but these 970fx based powerbooks could come after another g4 revision or two
They could come two years from now also. God only knows, but my gut feeling is MWSF 2005. I really don't see Freescale advancing much. I guess we will see tomorrow morning (8:45am CST or so) what Freescale is up to.
Could it be this software is not Alti-vec optimized? Could that significantly change those results if it were?
Not dual processor.
Not using Altivec.
Perhaps you need better software.
I admit, I don't know what Alberton 4 is or whatever, but whatever it does, there should be a better alternative.
Originally posted by tak1108
What's up with the G3 at 800mhz beating the G4 at 800mhz. The only difference is Jaguar on the G3 and Panther on the G4. Is panther really that much of a dog?
Ive only seen iBook G4's eating iBook G3's for breakfast...?
Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch
Ive only seen iBook G4's eating iBook G3's for breakfast...?
Having used both iBook G3s and G4s as well as PowerMac G3s and G4s and G5s, I can conclude that a G4 will do circles around G3s in floating point intensive (read: most Mac OS X apps these days) apps and the G5 does similar to G4-based systems. Sure, the carbon-based, non-altivec using app will fair well under all of these systems, but launch something simple like Final Cut Express on one and you will see a big difference.
Originally posted by CrowFreak
A company named Eurocom released specs for their new laptop and it's video card is listed as the Geforce 6800 Go. Could this new yet to be released chip be included in a new Powerbook since the 6800 Ultra is going into the PowerMac? Just thought I would throw this out since people were talking about the mobile Radeon 9800 chip.
I kind of doubt it, since Eurocom laptops tend to be much larger than Powerbooks (the former generally being more of a desktop replacement), I doubt that the 6800 Go would be a good choice for the Powerbooks.
As far as the Pentium 2ghz M beating those other procs... BS. I'd put a p4 3ghz against a AMD 64 3200+ any day. Perhaps that software doesn't do floating point calculations?
If you want a good benchmark utility for just cpu...... use dnetc.
Also... wasn't aware there was a pentium-m running at 2ghz yet... weird.
Originally posted by Res
Live 4 should be optimized as well for Mac as it is for the PC
Is that why it obviously ist MP aware? If it don't take advantage of two processors, why would one assume that it's optimized for Mac at all? Is there support for Altivec on Mac? SSE or SSE2 on a PC?