As far as the calculated clock speeds go, you can go actually use non-half multipliers... for example:
167 (fsb) * 10.25 = 1711.75
Apple has had processors overclocked but rated them under that before. I believe it was last generation 12" iBook was rated at 1ghz but if you went to apple profiler or used ioreg -l you would see that the processor was actually 1.050ghz (extra 50mhz :P)
That iBook wasn't "overclocked".
Just a 133.33mhz system bus and an 8x multiplier = 1066.66
Which the system profiler tools round up to 1.07Ghz
I can't find any info that confirms ".25" or non half multipliers... so i think that is bogus for now.
The 1.7Ghz and 1.73 Ghz G4s from Giga Designs dont appear to use them either. This seems to be the ultimate source of misinfo here. They are upgrading systems with 100mhz buses (like the cube) to "1.7Ghz" with the obvious 17x multiplier. The "1.73Ghz" chips they are selling run on systems with 133mhz busses and must use a 13x multiplier.
It makes sense for AI to say that the chip will be 1666.66mhz (1.67Ghz)
But not that it will be sold as or actually be 1.7 (unless they get a 200mhz bus)
Just a 133.33mhz system bus and an 8x multiplier = 1066.66
Which the system profiler tools round up to 1.07Ghz
I can't find any info that confirms ".25" or non half multipliers... so i think that is bogus for now.
The 1.7Ghz and 1.73 Ghz G4s from Giga Designs dont appear to use them either. This seems to be the ultimate source of misinfo here. They are upgrading systems with 100mhz buses (like the cube) to "1.7Ghz" with the obvious 17x multiplier. The "1.73Ghz" chips they are selling run on systems with 133mhz busses and must use a 13x multiplier.
It makes sense for AI to say that the chip will be 1666.66mhz (1.67Ghz)
But not that it will be sold as or actually be 1.7 (unless they get a 200mhz bus)
I have been building pc's for 8 years. Trust me the .25 multipliers is NOT bogus. It depends on the quality of your motherboard. A lot of ABit Motherboards do it. I've seen some MSI and Asus boards do it as well. In fact, on most ABit boards you can enter any number you want. They aren't in a menu that you select like most boards. So you could put in 8.37 if you really wanted to... and it works.
I didn't mean that they were overclocked chips, what I meant to say is they are clocked higher than apple rates them at. Bad wording... sorry.
From what I understand Freescale has been working with 200mhz fsb. I wouldn't doubt at all that the new powerbooks run at a 200mhz front side bus since they are supposedly freescale cpus. Therefor 1.7ghz is entirely possible.
The powerbook does have a weak fsb compared to pc laptops. It's time for a bump, but it may be possible we don't see it until the dual core or g5 revs.
From what I understand Freescale has been working with 200mhz fsb. I wouldn't doubt at all that the new powerbooks run at a 200mhz front side bus since they are supposedly freescale cpus. Therefor 1.7ghz is entirely possible.
It depends on which chip they use. If it's the 7447b, based on the same ol' same ol', it has a 167 Mhz bus. If it's the newer 7448, based on the new e600, it has a 200 Mhz bus. Not THAT big of a difference either way, but I guess every little bit counts there. (The key will be the L2 cache. If it's 512, it's still the 7447, but if it's 1 Mb, that's the new chip.)
The G4 has a limited set of clock rate multipliers, and it does not include 0.25 multiples. This is not a function of the motherboard in PPC machines.
Thanks for setting that part straight Programmer, I'm sure there are different rules for the PPC boards. I wonder if there is a way to tell what the multiplier is set at using an assembly program.
It depends on which chip they use. If it's the 7447b, based on the same ol' same ol', it has a 167 Mhz bus. If it's the newer 7448, based on the new e600, it has a 200 Mhz bus. Not THAT big of a difference either way, but I guess every little bit counts there. (The key will be the L2 cache. If it's 512, it's still the 7447, but if it's 1 Mb, that's the new chip.)
I personally think the powerbooks need all the help they can get. Even a minute jump from 167 to 200 fsb may make a difference. Not a huge one obviously. But a welcomed one
Thanks for setting that part straight Programmer, I'm sure there are different rules for the PPC boards. I wonder if there is a way to tell what the multiplier is set at using an assembly program.
I think it would have to be a kernel extension so that you'd be running in supervisor mode -- otherwise I don't think you can read that information. I haven't looked at this for ages, however, so I might be wrong about that...
prices dropped by 10% last week in all applestores accross Europe
so people bought powerbooks in mass
do you really think Apple would trick these people by releasing a new powerbook based on a faster processor, better video card while people just bought it last week ?
prices dropped by 10% last week in all applestores accross Europe
so people bought powerbooks in mass
do you really think Apple would trick these people by releasing a new powerbook based on a faster processor, better video card while people just bought it last week ?
Yeah, Apple hates Europeans. That's why they schemed to play a trick on as many of them as possible. Lower prices - what a mean trick!
prices dropped by 10% last week in all applestores accross Europe
so people bought powerbooks in mass
do you really think Apple would trick these people by releasing a new powerbook based on a faster processor, better video card while people just bought it last week ?
Yes, its called clearly out old stock. They aren't being "tricked" into it, they are being encouraged to buy the existing product at a discounted price. Having old product sitting on the shelves when a new one arrives can lead to a lot of stale and unmoveable expensive inventory.
Or it could be that they are just trying to reinvigorate sales.
Yes, its called clearly out old stock. They aren't being "tricked" into it, they are being encouraged to buy the existing product at a discounted price. Having old product sitting on the shelves when a new one arrives can lead to a lot of stale and unmoveable expensive inventory.
Or it could be that they are just trying to reinvigorate sales.
It's called adjusting the prices to the low USD. All prices were lowered.
My wife and I are anxiously awaiting the G4 PowerBook bumps, but we are also looking at our budget. As I don't recall how the last set of bumps affected the prices of the new models, would someone who does recall the last bump please offer an estimation of what the prices would be across the board? We are budgeting around $3K for the higher-end 15-inch model.
From rumors the Powerbooks will get standard 5200 rpm drives and new graphics cards... (low mhz bump)... I doubt the prices will be adjusted a whole lot from what they are now. They should lower 1-2 hundred IMO... but it doesn't happen often. Hopefully apple does though.
My wife and I are anxiously awaiting the G4 PowerBook bumps, but we are also looking at our budget. As I don't recall how the last set of bumps affected the prices of the new models, would someone who does recall the last bump please offer an estimation of what the prices would be across the board? We are budgeting around $3K for the higher-end 15-inch model.
Not much change, in fact a few small drops occurred at the last revision.
12" stayed at $1599 (combo)/$1799 (SD)
15" low-end stayed $1999
15" high-end dropped $100 from $2599 to $2499
17" dropped $200 from $2999 to $2799
If the revisions coming up are minor as some expect, then I'd imagine slight drops occurring again to the entire line. At worst, the pricing stays as is.
My wife and I are anxiously awaiting the G4 PowerBook bumps, but we are also looking at our budget. As I don't recall how the last set of bumps affected the prices of the new models, would someone who does recall the last bump please offer an estimation of what the prices would be across the board? We are budgeting around $3K for the higher-end 15-inch model.
hi squirrel_monkey, i think you are right to hold on a bit, but only if you're not getting too anxious.
the newer slightly speed bumped powerbooks may not offer you anything too fantastic, unless it is the new G5 powerbooks... but as usual don't buy the first rev of these unless you're super confident. i don't think the new G5 powerbooks will realistically ship until at least 3 months from now, if they appear... they will ! they will !
$3k is a sweet deal, go for it if you forsee you and your wife making full and joyous use of the PowerBook. You can always add 512mb or 1GB ram at a later stage, especially if it is not purchased from Apple
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Originally posted by ibook911
Finally, I'd like to see them take at least $100 off the price. Do you think that is possible? Don't updates normally include a small price break?
I don't know about the US, but in Canada all our Powerbook prices went down $200 CDN across the board this week.
Originally posted by emig647
As far as the calculated clock speeds go, you can go actually use non-half multipliers... for example:
167 (fsb) * 10.25 = 1711.75
Apple has had processors overclocked but rated them under that before. I believe it was last generation 12" iBook was rated at 1ghz but if you went to apple profiler or used ioreg -l you would see that the processor was actually 1.050ghz (extra 50mhz :P)
That iBook wasn't "overclocked".
Just a 133.33mhz system bus and an 8x multiplier = 1066.66
Which the system profiler tools round up to 1.07Ghz
I can't find any info that confirms ".25" or non half multipliers... so i think that is bogus for now.
The 1.7Ghz and 1.73 Ghz G4s from Giga Designs dont appear to use them either. This seems to be the ultimate source of misinfo here. They are upgrading systems with 100mhz buses (like the cube) to "1.7Ghz" with the obvious 17x multiplier. The "1.73Ghz" chips they are selling run on systems with 133mhz busses and must use a 13x multiplier.
It makes sense for AI to say that the chip will be 1666.66mhz (1.67Ghz)
But not that it will be sold as or actually be 1.7 (unless they get a 200mhz bus)
Originally posted by nathan22t
That iBook wasn't "overclocked".
Just a 133.33mhz system bus and an 8x multiplier = 1066.66
Which the system profiler tools round up to 1.07Ghz
I can't find any info that confirms ".25" or non half multipliers... so i think that is bogus for now.
The 1.7Ghz and 1.73 Ghz G4s from Giga Designs dont appear to use them either. This seems to be the ultimate source of misinfo here. They are upgrading systems with 100mhz buses (like the cube) to "1.7Ghz" with the obvious 17x multiplier. The "1.73Ghz" chips they are selling run on systems with 133mhz busses and must use a 13x multiplier.
It makes sense for AI to say that the chip will be 1666.66mhz (1.67Ghz)
But not that it will be sold as or actually be 1.7 (unless they get a 200mhz bus)
I have been building pc's for 8 years. Trust me the .25 multipliers is NOT bogus. It depends on the quality of your motherboard. A lot of ABit Motherboards do it. I've seen some MSI and Asus boards do it as well. In fact, on most ABit boards you can enter any number you want. They aren't in a menu that you select like most boards. So you could put in 8.37 if you really wanted to... and it works.
I didn't mean that they were overclocked chips, what I meant to say is they are clocked higher than apple rates them at. Bad wording... sorry.
From what I understand Freescale has been working with 200mhz fsb. I wouldn't doubt at all that the new powerbooks run at a 200mhz front side bus since they are supposedly freescale cpus. Therefor 1.7ghz is entirely possible.
The powerbook does have a weak fsb compared to pc laptops.
Originally posted by emig647
It's time for a bump, but it may be possible we don't see it until the dual core or g5 revs.
my bet is totally on dual-core G4s before powerbook G5... unless by some miracle...
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Originally posted by emig647
I have been building pc's for 8 years. Trust me the .25 multipliers is NOT bogus. It depends on the quality of your motherboard.
The G4 has a limited set of clock rate multipliers, and it does not include 0.25 multiples. This is not a function of the motherboard in PPC machines.
Originally posted by emig647
From what I understand Freescale has been working with 200mhz fsb. I wouldn't doubt at all that the new powerbooks run at a 200mhz front side bus since they are supposedly freescale cpus. Therefor 1.7ghz is entirely possible.
It depends on which chip they use. If it's the 7447b, based on the same ol' same ol', it has a 167 Mhz bus. If it's the newer 7448, based on the new e600, it has a 200 Mhz bus. Not THAT big of a difference either way, but I guess every little bit counts there. (The key will be the L2 cache. If it's 512, it's still the 7447, but if it's 1 Mb, that's the new chip.)
Originally posted by Programmer
The G4 has a limited set of clock rate multipliers, and it does not include 0.25 multiples. This is not a function of the motherboard in PPC machines.
Thanks for setting that part straight Programmer, I'm sure there are different rules for the PPC boards. I wonder if there is a way to tell what the multiplier is set at using an assembly program.
Originally posted by BRussell
It depends on which chip they use. If it's the 7447b, based on the same ol' same ol', it has a 167 Mhz bus. If it's the newer 7448, based on the new e600, it has a 200 Mhz bus. Not THAT big of a difference either way, but I guess every little bit counts there. (The key will be the L2 cache. If it's 512, it's still the 7447, but if it's 1 Mb, that's the new chip.)
I personally think the powerbooks need all the help they can get. Even a minute jump from 167 to 200 fsb may make a difference. Not a huge one obviously. But a welcomed one
Originally posted by emig647
Thanks for setting that part straight Programmer, I'm sure there are different rules for the PPC boards. I wonder if there is a way to tell what the multiplier is set at using an assembly program.
I think it would have to be a kernel extension so that you'd be running in supervisor mode -- otherwise I don't think you can read that information. I haven't looked at this for ages, however, so I might be wrong about that...
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Originally posted by Boukman
That is exactly what I was wondering. I thought I read somewhere that the new G4s from Freescale had a 200 MHz front side bus?
Thats what im finding interesting too... Apple know the current G4's FSB sucks...
Originally posted by legaleagle
Huh? Que? Wha? Oh, and WTF?
Google on 'clock multiplier'. That should help you out.
But basically its 'processor speed' divided by 'FSB speed'.
prices dropped by 10% last week in all applestores accross Europe
so people bought powerbooks in mass
do you really think Apple would trick these people by releasing a new powerbook based on a faster processor, better video card while people just bought it last week ?
Originally posted by enzo0511
hi there
prices dropped by 10% last week in all applestores accross Europe
so people bought powerbooks in mass
do you really think Apple would trick these people by releasing a new powerbook based on a faster processor, better video card while people just bought it last week ?
Yeah, Apple hates Europeans. That's why they schemed to play a trick on as many of them as possible. Lower prices - what a mean trick!
Originally posted by enzo0511
hi there
prices dropped by 10% last week in all applestores accross Europe
so people bought powerbooks in mass
do you really think Apple would trick these people by releasing a new powerbook based on a faster processor, better video card while people just bought it last week ?
Yes, its called clearly out old stock. They aren't being "tricked" into it, they are being encouraged to buy the existing product at a discounted price. Having old product sitting on the shelves when a new one arrives can lead to a lot of stale and unmoveable expensive inventory.
Or it could be that they are just trying to reinvigorate sales.
so that confirms again the arrival of new powerbooks...
Originally posted by Programmer
Yes, its called clearly out old stock. They aren't being "tricked" into it, they are being encouraged to buy the existing product at a discounted price. Having old product sitting on the shelves when a new one arrives can lead to a lot of stale and unmoveable expensive inventory.
Or it could be that they are just trying to reinvigorate sales.
It's called adjusting the prices to the low USD. All prices were lowered.
Originally posted by Squirrel_Monkey
My wife and I are anxiously awaiting the G4 PowerBook bumps, but we are also looking at our budget. As I don't recall how the last set of bumps affected the prices of the new models, would someone who does recall the last bump please offer an estimation of what the prices would be across the board? We are budgeting around $3K for the higher-end 15-inch model.
Not much change, in fact a few small drops occurred at the last revision.
12" stayed at $1599 (combo)/$1799 (SD)
15" low-end stayed $1999
15" high-end dropped $100 from $2599 to $2499
17" dropped $200 from $2999 to $2799
If the revisions coming up are minor as some expect, then I'd imagine slight drops occurring again to the entire line. At worst, the pricing stays as is.
Originally posted by Squirrel_Monkey
My wife and I are anxiously awaiting the G4 PowerBook bumps, but we are also looking at our budget. As I don't recall how the last set of bumps affected the prices of the new models, would someone who does recall the last bump please offer an estimation of what the prices would be across the board? We are budgeting around $3K for the higher-end 15-inch model.
hi squirrel_monkey, i think you are right to hold on a bit, but only if you're not getting too anxious.
the newer slightly speed bumped powerbooks may not offer you anything too fantastic, unless it is the new G5 powerbooks... but as usual don't buy the first rev of these unless you're super confident. i don't think the new G5 powerbooks will realistically ship until at least 3 months from now, if they appear... they will ! they will !
$3k is a sweet deal, go for it if you forsee you and your wife making full and joyous use of the PowerBook. You can always add 512mb or 1GB ram at a later stage, especially if it is not purchased from Apple
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