Mac OS X 10.3.8 to improve stability

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in macOS edited January 2014
Apple's Panther operating system will see at least one more update before the company unleashes Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger."



Apple Computer today released to developers the first build of Mac OS X 10.3.8, according to chatter overheard in the Macintosh developer community.



The operating system update will be the seventh service and maintenance release for Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther."



Details of the update are scarce, but sources say the software will deliver improved graphics performance along with several fixes that will improve the overall stability of the Panther operating system.



The most recent build of the system is rumored to be Mac OS X 10.3.8 build 7U3.
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  • Reply 1 of 50
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    Wow that's crazy. Anyway that kind of worries me because 10.3.7 is nice and stable. Grrrr I remember 10.2.8. With much malice.



    I would imagine maybe this could be to perhaps suport...new hardware coming next week?
  • Reply 2 of 50
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquatic

    Wow that's crazy. Anyway that kind of worries me because 10.3.7 is nice and stable. Grrrr I remember 10.2.8. With much malice.



    I would imagine maybe this could be to perhaps suport...new hardware coming next week?




    10.2.7 Stable? Never. I have felt more like a Windows user since i upgraded than i ever did on previous versions of 10.3.



    The majority of problems have to do with sleeping and my second monitor but there are others.
  • Reply 3 of 50
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 1,486member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Jwink3101

    10.2.7 Stable? Never. I have felt more like a Windows user since i upgraded than i ever did on previous versions of 10.3.



    The majority of problems have to do with sleeping and my second monitor but there are others.




    We assume you mean 10.3.7 because if not, that could be your problem.



    Anyway, stop by the Apple Discussion boards and you should find plenty of helpful people that will help you resolve your sleeping and monitor issues.
  • Reply 4 of 50
    Yes, i did mean 10.3.7 (almost wrote 2.7 again there).



    I guess i should stop by the boards over at apple when i get a chance. I basically figured a workaround that takes about 3 minutes sometimes but for now it works.
  • Reply 5 of 50
    simxsimx Posts: 21member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by AppleInsider

    Apple Computer today released to developers the first build of Mac OS X 10.3.8, according to chatter overheard in the Macintosh developer community.



    The operating system update will be the seventh service and maintenance release for Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther."




    I'm not a math genius (well, maybe I am), but I think Mac OS X 10.3.8 will be the eighth service and maintenance release for Panther, not the seventh. Or am I missing something obvious?
  • Reply 6 of 50
    I was thinking that too but i have only owned an apple since 10.3.3 so i don;t know if 10.3.1 was considered the first release or what.
  • Reply 7 of 50
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    Yes, it will be the 8th unless they skipped something in the middle.



    The original DVD release was 10.3.0.
  • Reply 8 of 50
    There's a thread over at the MacNN forums talking about Safari 1.3, and if it is going to come out, what are the chances it would with this next update, 10.3.8? I mean, it makes sense to me. For what that's worth.
  • Reply 9 of 50
    louzerlouzer Posts: 1,054member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Purgatory

    There's a thread over at the MacNN forums talking about Safari 1.3, and if it is going to come out, what are the chances it would with this next update, 10.3.8? I mean, it makes sense to me. For what that's worth.



    Well, it may or may not come out, it all depends on (a) how stable it is (and not just taking some people's word for it that its "stable" because it doesn't crash their porn sites) and (b) how much it screws up other software (esp. that which relies on webCore).



    Plus, keep in mind that its Apple's call. That's why software tends to have NDAs on them, so a bunch of people don't think that some company's holding back for some trivial reason (which in truth might be a good reason, but no one knows what it is) and then all you hear is "waaah! why doesn't Apple release Safari 1.3. Its great and stable and works!"
  • Reply 10 of 50
    Quote:

    Originally posted by AppleInsider

    Details of the update are scarce, but sources say the software will deliver improved graphics performance along with several fixes that will improve the overall stability of the Panther operating system.



    Well, I'd have known that without any sources since, according to the respective KB articles, almost all MacOS X Updates "deliver improved graphics performance along with several fixes that will improve the overall stability"...
  • Reply 11 of 50
    jlljll Posts: 2,709member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Purgatory

    There's a thread over at the MacNN forums talking about Safari 1.3, and if it is going to come out, what are the chances it would with this next update, 10.3.8? I mean, it makes sense to me. For what that's worth.



    I don't think Safari 1.3 will be released until 2.0 is released for Tiger.
  • Reply 12 of 50
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 7,157member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquatic

    Wow that's crazy. Anyway that kind of worries me because 10.3.7 is nice and stable. Grrrr I remember 10.2.8. With much malice.



    I would imagine maybe this could be to perhaps suport...new hardware coming next week?




    Let's see now. 10.3.7 is nice and stable. NO, it's not stable. 10.2.8 was a nightmare. No it wasn't. 10.3.5 was the "worst update ever" (from an Apple Discussions thread). 10.3.6 was a "disaster" (from MacFixit).



    When will it finally sink in to people that problems with updates are mostly due to individual system quirks, corruption, etc., than the update itself?
  • Reply 13 of 50
    placeboplacebo Posts: 5,767member
    Can I be the first person to admit that I can't see any differences between patches?
  • Reply 14 of 50
    Quote:

    Originally posted by lkrupp

    Let's see now. 10.3.7 is nice and stable. NO, it's not stable. 10.2.8 was a nightmare. No it wasn't. 10.3.5 was the "worst update ever" (from an Apple Discussions thread). 10.3.6 was a "disaster" (from MacFixit).



    When will it finally sink in to people that problems with updates are mostly due to individual system quirks, corruption, etc., than the update itself?




    Absolutely.



    There is a nice ongoing thread, that recently turned

    toward statistics.



    Let's examine: 10 people do an update and the OS becomes

    jerky afterward. 1.000.000 people do an update and the OS

    runs flawless. 10 people do post in Computer savvy boards,

    say, AI genius board, "latest update sucks my HD off. Bad apple bad".

    1.000.000 people do enjoy the great update, which improved

    everything significantly.



    It's all about perception, especially public perception. IF you ask me.
  • Reply 15 of 50
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Placebo

    Can I be the first person to admit that I can't see any differences between patches?



    Thank you for doing so, because I felt the same way!
  • Reply 16 of 50
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Boukman

    Thank you for doing so, because I felt the same way!



    Same here. I rarely spot a new feature, in a program or OS update unless I read it from the updates page or someone points it out here...



    And Vox, I couldn't agree more.
  • Reply 17 of 50
    Quote:

    Originally posted by lkrupp

    Let's see now. 10.3.7 is nice and stable. NO, it's not stable. 10.2.8 was a nightmare. No it wasn't. 10.3.5 was the "worst update ever" (from an Apple Discussions thread). 10.3.6 was a "disaster" (from MacFixit).



    When will it finally sink in to people that problems with updates are mostly due to individual system quirks, corruption, etc., than the update itself?




    Not always. Sometimes there are problems with the updaters from Apple even if you have no third party hardware or software.



    I upgraded a stock Tangerine iBook by formatting the drive and installing MacOS X 10.3.0 Panther from the original CDs. Let me repeat, this was a pure, clean machine. I restarted and the machine ran fine. I installed no other software or hardware. I ran no applications. I changed no settings.



    I then immediately ran Apple's Software Update and let it install what was suggested which included the Combo update to MacOS X 10.3.7. At the end of the update the machine rebooted and the hard drive was no longer functional, mountable or even visible using the Disk Utilities. I can hear the hard drive spinning and it sounds normal. But there is no access happening and it is not available. Disk Utilities does not recognize the hard drive's existance. I have reset PRAM, NVRAM (Open Firmware), PMU, etc, etc. Still no hard drive. There is no individual system quirk here and I started with a working machine.



    The Combo 10.3.7 update destroyed my previously working clean stock Apple computer.



    Fortunately I have a backup of the data and have moved that to a new machine. The iBook awaits my futher administrations when I have the time to waste on it. It has already occupied more than a day and a half of my time. Taking apart these particular computers is a trip. I will try that drive in another machine and see if I can revive it. I'll also try another drive in that machine.



    Sometime Apple screws up. 10.2.8 was an excellent example. My one experience with 10.3.7 seems to be another example. This is why I wait to try new updaters and when I do I do it on one machine that is backedup.



    I've been working with and programming Mac's since the original 128 and with Apple's computers before that to the original Apple I. I know what I'm doing, apparently the updater didn't.



    I'll wait and see what 10.3.8 is like and not upgrade any other machines to 10.3.7. On the other hand, 10.3.5 is running fine for me. 10.3.7 works for some people. Stick with what ever works for you. But be paranoid - when in doubt, backup carefully... I'm always in doubt.



    -Walter
  • Reply 18 of 50
    Has anybody tried it (10.3.8) yet?



    Where can I find it? It doesnt show up anywhere at apple.com
  • Reply 19 of 50
    rbrrbr Posts: 631member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Louzer

    Well, it may or may not come out, it all depends on (a) how stable it is (and not just taking some people's word for it that its "stable" because it doesn't crash their porn sites) and (b) how much it screws up other software (esp. that which relies on webCore).



    Plus, keep in mind that its Apple's call. That's why software tends to have NDAs on them, so a bunch of people don't think that some company's holding back for some trivial reason (which in truth might be a good reason, but no one knows what it is) and then all you hear is "waaah! why doesn't Apple release Safari 1.3. Its great and stable and works!"




    The better question might be why has Apple neglected the development of Safari so?
  • Reply 20 of 50
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member




    Haven't checked the KHTML et al bug logs, have you? Apple has done an impressive job of bug stomping at the lower layers. Just because they haven't been adding a lot of features at the top levels doesn't mean that they're ignoring it. Sheesh.
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