I get video noise on my display whenever there are big chunks of solid black. Intermittent horizontal streaks, generally in bright colors; kind of like very colorful horizontal static.
I'm getting little white static in dark areas, very intermittant, similar to what you describe only more like snow; not horizontal streaks. (I blamed it on the weak GPUs inability to really handle my 23" Cinema.) Have seen it some in dark areas of DVD movies and in dark areas of desktop pictures while I'm viewing a window in the foreground. Have been waiting for other similar reports, but it's so intermittent, I'm not too concerned at this point. Tried disconnecting and reconnecting the DVI cable but still see the static on occasion.
And this is why I'm waiting for the first mini revision before buying one.
If enough people actually contact Apple as opposed to just posting it here, those bugs will most likely be addressed and fixed. The same noise problem happened with the Quicksilver and they fixes the problem the next time around.
By the way, if external speakers are plugged in the computers internal speaker should not sound. That IS a bug.
I suggest the people acting all defensive in this thread calm down a bit. You guys are doing Mac user a disfavor by making us all look bad in the eyes of all these new switchers which will be coming to this board with questions and issues about their machines. Alright, maybe 'bugs' is a bit of a strong word and offends your sensitive Apple fanboy ears, but give the newcomers the benefit of the doubt. Not every one of them is necessarily a troll!
And btw yes, Macs do have problems of their own, and no Apple is not your mother!
I suggest the people acting all defensive in this thread calm down a bit. You guys are doing Mac user a disfavor by making us all look bad in the eyes of all these new switchers which will be coming to this board with questions and issues about their machines. Alright, maybe 'bugs' is a bit of a strong word and offends your sensitive Apple fanboy ears, but give the newcomers the benefit of the doubt. Not every one of them is necessarily a troll!
And btw yes, Macs do have problems of their own, and no Apple is not your mother!
Don't make me send you my loud quicksilver
I think he realizes I'm not mad, but joking and have different expectations. I think my quicksilver would make a plane seem quiet maybe?
By the way, if external speakers are plugged in the computers internal speaker should not sound. That IS a bug.
No this is the proper implementation for the Mini at startup when the drivers are yet to load (you can switch to verbose login and see for yourself). This is not a bug.
Curious why you'd unplug everything? i unplug my clock radio it forgets time. I'm so pissed!!! Maybe the standard settings for your diplay are what it booted up to. I personally don't find that to be a bug. I'm also mad that I put popcorn in the microwave and it doesn't set time and auto pop it.
Sorry to joke with you, but i thought you were talking about bugs. So far not one of these is.
The speaker sound deal is normal. That 1st sound is a boot/start-up sound, before the standard usb/micro/firewire or any extension, internet, anything has been loaded by the OS at start-up
The second the ?¿?¿? Not one spot on the Apple page says anything about silent or low fan noise.
3rd....I unplugged everything and wonder why it won't remember. hmmm..wait i see a cockroach
I don't think that I have ever used a computer that did not remember
it display settings. I unplugged everything because it was a suggested
fix for the fan hijinx (which did not work).
I can accept the speaker thing, even though it was different than
MacOS 8, and the display thing is also minor, but the fan is starting
to drive me nuts - hopefully there will be a firmware fix or something.
I am probably more sensitive to noise than most - I started the "which
G5 is the quietest" thread (2nd generation dual 2.0 gHz).
I think that Steve said "whisper quiet" in his keynote or something,
With any desktop, noise is just part of the deal, . . .
Yes, but a fan that quickly goes from relative quiet to maximum speed periodically can be annoying, to some of us anyway. Slow changes in fan speed would not be objectionable. I think it is legitimate to complain about the fan and hope Apple fixes it in the future. I will postpone my decision about buying a Mac mini until I can hear it for myself.
I think the unplugging thingy was meant to be a way of resetting the mac mini's settings. I remember reading it somewhere that apple had posted this on their website, something about unplugging the mini for 20 seconds, then plugging it in and holding the power button for 10 seconds.
Yes, but a fan that quickly goes from relative quiet to maximum speed periodically can be annoying, to some of us anyway. Slow changes in fan speed would not be objectionable. I think it is legitimate to complain about the fan and hope Apple fixes it in the future. I will postpone my decision about buying a Mac mini until I can hear it for myself.
Just wondering, why with alll the fan compalints, has no one mentioned the optical drive, I have found that in many cases on SFF desktops the optical drive spinning up is at least 3x louder than any fan.
Just wondering, why with alll the fan compalints, has no one mentioned the optical drive, I have found that in many cases on SFF desktops the optical drive spinning up is at least 3x louder than any fan.
The optical drive is under your control, so you expect it
and it is not jarring. The fan thing comes out of nowhere
and disrupts your consentration.
My mini is on top of my monitor, about 18 inches from my
ear - maybe I will move it to a high shelf and get a bunch of long
Totally agree with the people complaining here I'm afraid - they advertised this thing as "whisper-quiet" and it clearly isn't. If they hadn't boasted about the noise, I wouldn't mind so much. I know it's a budget computer, but the $400 Compaq comparison is legitimate - it would have been possible for Apple to enable the fan to be controlled more precisely and still keep within an acceptable budget.
It quite likely is whisper silent if you set the energy control panel to automatic or reduced processor performance and aren't doing a great deal with it. It's somewhat difficult to make any comment on whether it's proper or not without first seeing one and seeing how he has it set up.
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Originally posted by Ichiban_jay
I think the unplugging thingy was meant to be a way of resetting the mac mini's settings. I remember reading it somewhere that apple had posted this on their website, something about unplugging the mini for 20 seconds, then plugging it in and holding the power button for 10 seconds.
I suggest the people acting all defensive in this thread calm down a bit. You guys are doing Mac user a disfavor by making us all look bad in the eyes of all these new switchers which will be coming to this board with questions and issues about their machines. Alright, maybe 'bugs' is a bit of a strong word and offends your sensitive Apple fanboy ears, but give the newcomers the benefit of the doubt. Not every one of them is necessarily a troll!
And btw yes, Macs do have problems of their own, and no Apple is not your mother!
Amen, brother.
If Apple hears about these issues they will fix them. It doesnt make sense to try and stifle any discussions just because it means Apple isn't perfect. Because Apple isn't perfect! But they do respond if they know the problem.
No this is the proper implementation for the Mini at startup when the drivers are yet to load (you can switch to verbose login and see for yourself). This is not a bug.
OK, then perhaps they should change this. I keep a headphone plugged into my iMac G3's headphone jack at all times so the chime doesnt bother anybody. If something is plugged into the headphone jack it really should stop any and all noise coming from the mini, including start-up. At least thats the way it should be IMHO
I don't think that I have ever used a computer that did not remember
it display settings. I unplugged everything because it was a suggested
fix for the fan hijinx (which did not work).
I can accept the speaker thing, even though it was different than
MacOS 8, and the display thing is also minor, but the fan is starting
to drive me nuts - hopefully there will be a firmware fix or something.
I am probably more sensitive to noise than most - I started the "which
G5 is the quietest" thread (2nd generation dual 2.0 gHz).
I think that Steve said "whisper quiet" in his keynote or something,
anyway - I read it somewhere on appleinsider.
If you unplug devices from a PC, then plug them in again I believe the settings load once more but not necessarily at the old setting. The only thing that should definitely remain the same id the clock/time.
I am sensitive to noise also and this is a deal killer.
You are correct that Apple claimed the Mini is whisper-quiet, and besides what squash and some others say here you have a legit gripe.
I think the unplugging thingy was meant to be a way of resetting the mac mini's settings. I remember reading it somewhere that apple had posted this on their website, something about unplugging the mini for 20 seconds, then plugging it in and holding the power button for 10 seconds.
Yes, this process is *designed* to reset everything, including your display settings. Not a bug.
Comments
Originally posted by emdash
I get video noise on my display whenever there are big chunks of solid black. Intermittent horizontal streaks, generally in bright colors; kind of like very colorful horizontal static.
I'm getting little white static in dark areas, very intermittant, similar to what you describe only more like snow; not horizontal streaks. (I blamed it on the weak GPUs inability to really handle my 23" Cinema.) Have seen it some in dark areas of DVD movies and in dark areas of desktop pictures while I'm viewing a window in the foreground. Have been waiting for other similar reports, but it's so intermittent, I'm not too concerned at this point. Tried disconnecting and reconnecting the DVI cable but still see the static on occasion.
If enough people actually contact Apple as opposed to just posting it here, those bugs will most likely be addressed and fixed. The same noise problem happened with the Quicksilver and they fixes the problem the next time around.
By the way, if external speakers are plugged in the computers internal speaker should not sound. That IS a bug.
And btw yes, Macs do have problems of their own, and no Apple is not your mother!
Originally posted by cygsid
I suggest the people acting all defensive in this thread calm down a bit. You guys are doing Mac user a disfavor by making us all look bad in the eyes of all these new switchers which will be coming to this board with questions and issues about their machines. Alright, maybe 'bugs' is a bit of a strong word and offends your sensitive Apple fanboy ears, but give the newcomers the benefit of the doubt. Not every one of them is necessarily a troll!
And btw yes, Macs do have problems of their own, and no Apple is not your mother!
Don't make me send you my loud quicksilver
I think he realizes I'm not mad, but joking and have different expectations. I think my quicksilver would make a plane seem quiet maybe?
Originally posted by steve666
By the way, if external speakers are plugged in the computers internal speaker should not sound. That IS a bug.
No this is the proper implementation for the Mini at startup when the drivers are yet to load (you can switch to verbose login and see for yourself). This is not a bug.
Originally posted by e1618978
Don't get me wrong, I love my mini. The noise is a small
annoyance. If you guys get all defensive whenever
somebody points out a problem, then the problems
will not get reported as often.
With any desktop, noise is just part of the deal, that is like saying l like my car, I just wish the gasoline engine ran silently
If relitively quiet to silent is what you want, get a laptop or a g4 cube.
Originally posted by a_greer
With any desktop, noise is just part of the deal, that is like saying l like my car, I just wish the gasoline engine ran silently
If relitively quiet to silent is what you want, get a laptop or a g4 cube.
I'm not buying your argument. Why should the mini at the exact same specs as a PowerBook be noisier?! It pretty much sucks.
Originally posted by a_greer
With any desktop, noise is just part of the deal, that is like saying l like my car, I just wish the gasoline engine ran silently
If relitively quiet to silent is what you want, get a laptop or a g4 cube.
The point is that this is something that they could fix
fairly easily - it is likely a mistake that subtracts from
the value of their product for no good reason. Like
a BMW with horsehair seats that make you itch or
something.
If you want apple to produce products that are just 'ok'
then don't provide any feedback of this type.
Originally posted by SQUÅSH
Curious why you'd unplug everything? i unplug my clock radio it forgets time. I'm so pissed!!!
Sorry to joke with you, but i thought you were talking about bugs. So far not one of these is.
The speaker sound deal is normal. That 1st sound is a boot/start-up sound, before the standard usb/micro/firewire or any extension, internet, anything has been loaded by the OS at start-up
The second the ?¿?¿? Not one spot on the Apple page says anything about silent or low fan noise.
3rd....I unplugged everything and wonder why it won't remember. hmmm..wait i see a cockroach
I don't think that I have ever used a computer that did not remember
it display settings. I unplugged everything because it was a suggested
fix for the fan hijinx (which did not work).
I can accept the speaker thing, even though it was different than
MacOS 8, and the display thing is also minor, but the fan is starting
to drive me nuts - hopefully there will be a firmware fix or something.
I am probably more sensitive to noise than most - I started the "which
G5 is the quietest" thread (2nd generation dual 2.0 gHz).
I think that Steve said "whisper quiet" in his keynote or something,
anyway - I read it somewhere on appleinsider.
Originally posted by a_greer
With any desktop, noise is just part of the deal, . . .
Yes, but a fan that quickly goes from relative quiet to maximum speed periodically can be annoying, to some of us anyway. Slow changes in fan speed would not be objectionable. I think it is legitimate to complain about the fan and hope Apple fixes it in the future. I will postpone my decision about buying a Mac mini until I can hear it for myself.
Originally posted by snoopy
Yes, but a fan that quickly goes from relative quiet to maximum speed periodically can be annoying, to some of us anyway. Slow changes in fan speed would not be objectionable. I think it is legitimate to complain about the fan and hope Apple fixes it in the future. I will postpone my decision about buying a Mac mini until I can hear it for myself.
Just wondering, why with alll the fan compalints, has no one mentioned the optical drive, I have found that in many cases on SFF desktops the optical drive spinning up is at least 3x louder than any fan.
Originally posted by a_greer
Just wondering, why with alll the fan compalints, has no one mentioned the optical drive, I have found that in many cases on SFF desktops the optical drive spinning up is at least 3x louder than any fan.
The optical drive is under your control, so you expect it
and it is not jarring. The fan thing comes out of nowhere
and disrupts your consentration.
My mini is on top of my monitor, about 18 inches from my
ear - maybe I will move it to a high shelf and get a bunch of long
cables.
Originally posted by Ichiban_jay
I think the unplugging thingy was meant to be a way of resetting the mac mini's settings. I remember reading it somewhere that apple had posted this on their website, something about unplugging the mini for 20 seconds, then plugging it in and holding the power button for 10 seconds.
That's how you zap the PRAM.
Originally posted by cygsid
I suggest the people acting all defensive in this thread calm down a bit. You guys are doing Mac user a disfavor by making us all look bad in the eyes of all these new switchers which will be coming to this board with questions and issues about their machines. Alright, maybe 'bugs' is a bit of a strong word and offends your sensitive Apple fanboy ears, but give the newcomers the benefit of the doubt. Not every one of them is necessarily a troll!
And btw yes, Macs do have problems of their own, and no Apple is not your mother!
Amen, brother.
If Apple hears about these issues they will fix them. It doesnt make sense to try and stifle any discussions just because it means Apple isn't perfect. Because Apple isn't perfect! But they do respond if they know the problem.
Carry on
Originally posted by Telomar
No this is the proper implementation for the Mini at startup when the drivers are yet to load (you can switch to verbose login and see for yourself). This is not a bug.
OK, then perhaps they should change this. I keep a headphone plugged into my iMac G3's headphone jack at all times so the chime doesnt bother anybody. If something is plugged into the headphone jack it really should stop any and all noise coming from the mini, including start-up. At least thats the way it should be IMHO
Originally posted by e1618978
I don't think that I have ever used a computer that did not remember
it display settings. I unplugged everything because it was a suggested
fix for the fan hijinx (which did not work).
I can accept the speaker thing, even though it was different than
MacOS 8, and the display thing is also minor, but the fan is starting
to drive me nuts - hopefully there will be a firmware fix or something.
I am probably more sensitive to noise than most - I started the "which
G5 is the quietest" thread (2nd generation dual 2.0 gHz).
I think that Steve said "whisper quiet" in his keynote or something,
anyway - I read it somewhere on appleinsider.
If you unplug devices from a PC, then plug them in again I believe the settings load once more but not necessarily at the old setting. The only thing that should definitely remain the same id the clock/time.
I am sensitive to noise also and this is a deal killer.
You are correct that Apple claimed the Mini is whisper-quiet, and besides what squash and some others say here you have a legit gripe.
Originally posted by Ichiban_jay
I think the unplugging thingy was meant to be a way of resetting the mac mini's settings. I remember reading it somewhere that apple had posted this on their website, something about unplugging the mini for 20 seconds, then plugging it in and holding the power button for 10 seconds.
Yes, this process is *designed* to reset everything, including your display settings. Not a bug.
Originally posted by e1618978
My mini is on top of my monitor...
Thereby pumping all the heat from your monitor into the mini, and making it hotter.
Try putting it on your desk?