Can anyone with a DSM-TR 4 find the freakin' pathology that afflicts people, especially Mac user who think that everything should be included in the box while not appreciably affection the prize.
Check the Paranoia sections
Relax people it's a cable. I think the whole reason why Mac users are flipping out is because they've bragged to their friends about how much better Firewire is over USB and now must eat a tad bit of crow as Apple standardizes on USB 2.0.
Can anyone with a DSM-TR 4 find the freakin' pathology that afflicts people, especially Mac user who think that everything should be included in the box while not appreciably affection the prize.
Check the Paranoia sections
Relax people it's a cable. I think the whole reason why Mac users are flipping out is because they've bragged to their friends about how much better Firewire is over USB and now must eat a tad bit of crow as Apple standardizes on USB 2.0.
Sums it for me, Admins you may now close this piece of shitt.
Sums it for me, Admins you may now close this piece of shitt.
You know, all we've been saying is we wish Apple still bundled the cable. It's apples self-appointed defenders who've gotten heated, called us delusional and used alternate spellings of shit. I don't think the person who started this thread was a troll.
Here's something I have never understood...I have always thought of Firewire as far superior to USB. So why isn't it more abundant in PC land?
Because PCs don't need it.
They have enough PCI slots, enough hard drive bays, and cheap upgrade options so the ONLY thing a PC user would do with a firewire port is a digicam or an iPod.
I am still pissed off that my G5 only came with 3 PCIs (2 after I installed my 6800) and 2 HD bays. Total Horsesh¡t.
Moreover, I've never seen a firewire keyboard before, have you?
I have never liked USB, they just don't make PS/2 stuff anymore (and never did for mac), so there's nothing I can do.
If there is a demand, someone will supply. With ALL of the macs but the powermac ($1.5 grand minumum) having NO PCI's and 1 hard drive bay, and the powermac itself only having 3 (2) and 2 respectively, NOBODY is going to make cool things like PCI HDTV tuners for the mac.
That answer your question?
Oh, and by the way, the past 5 x86 motherboards I've bought (for me and for others) have all had firewire anyway, it's standard on build-your-own systems.
Oh, and by the way, the past 5 x86 motherboards I've bought (for me and for others) have all had firewire anyway, it's standard on build-your-own systems.
So did the $400 dollar Compaq I bought my son for Christmas. I think if you subtracted all the stripped down corporate-secretary type machines from the numbers, people would find that firewire acceptance in the PC world is far greater than they give it credit for.
You know, all we've been saying is we wish Apple still bundled the cable. It's apples self-appointed defenders who've gotten heated, called us delusional and used alternate spellings of shit. I don't think the person who started this thread was a troll.
Perhaps a few quotes to jog the memory...
(All from this thread)
Quote:
I am told that if I have a Mac with a USB 1.1 interface, that my computer is obsolete...
My message to Apple is YOU SUCK!
Apple as a company however is just full of it!
Apple - are you listening - I doubt it.
Get a life - it's not only the principle but the deceit and again, abandoning those who stick with them.
Apple [...] throwing away the Firewire cable [...]
Is it all too hard to understand? And to those of you who are all grown up and mature enough to accept Apple's disdain, good luck to you.
So Apple drops prices by making the customer pay more to make the product usable - that's what you are supporting!
Who uses Firewire? Mac users. Which cable isn't included - the one Mac users use. Get a life - it's not only the principle but the deceit and again, abandoning those who stick with them.
Is that the best you can do?
Oh fuck, if you get a modern 1gb thumbdrive, it will be usb2, a new digital media reader, USB2, hell, almost everything but digital video is USB2
I'm not particularly happy with Apple's decision to orphan FireWire on the iPod either, but I understand the logic involved.
WRT FireWire on PCs: There are two kinds, 4-pin, and 6-pin. The difference is whether they supply power. All Macs ship with 6-pin FireWire. All Sonys, and who knows how many other PCs, ship with 4-pin FireWire. iPod ships with a 6-pin FireWire cable, so that it can be charged. In other words, what seems like absolute simplicity on the Mac is not absolute simplicity on the PC.
All implementations of USB2 supply power, and there's only one connector.
One of the great strengths of FireWire as a connector is that you can daisy-chain things together. USB is strictly master/slave. But no iPod, nor any iPod dock, has ever supplied the second FireWire port that makes daisy-chaining possible. It effectively uses a master/slave relationship to the PC anyway, so nothing lost there.
Lastly, and sadly, sometimes you just have to cut your losses. Intel pushed USB2 hard, and when they want to push a motherboard tech, it's very hard to push back. Apple lost this round, at least in the consumer space. FireWire has successfully replaced SCSI in the prosumer and professional spaces.
I'd rather use SATA external for drives and USB for devices.
There is some future for Firewire, but only in A/V fields. For instance, some cable boxes use firewire, and as I mentioned before, DV cams do too.
Firewire 800, however, was and is a total flop, and rightly so. Just because Apple refuses to put enough drive bays in their computers doesn't mean the PC world will.
If you spent enough money on a RAID-0 to require firewire 800, you're probably just going to use SATA or fiberchannel
Quote:
Originally posted by Amorph
Lastly, and sadly, sometimes you just have to cut your losses. Intel pushed USB2 hard, and when they want to push a motherboard tech, it's very hard to push back. Apple lost this round, at least in the consumer space. FireWire has successfully replaced SCSI in the prosumer and professional spaces.
Step one: Reduce price of product, remove somewhat unnecessary accessory
Step Two: Sell a hell of a lot of somewhat unnecessary accessory at sweet assed margin
Step three: ???
Step Four: Profit!!!
Step one: Lower price + more "simplicity" ("it uses USB right?") = more iPod sales.
Step two: more iPod sales = more Mac sales (see 11% of Windows iPod users to switch article)
Step three: ???
Step four: Profit!!!
On a scale of one to not a big deal this rates about an eleven. I'm sorry for the inconvenience you've suffered in having to upgrade to 2.0 or in having to buy a firewire cable (or use one from a previous iPod) but c'est la vie. Don't take it personally chum, I have it on good authority that Steve doesn't hate you.
There is some future for Firewire, but only in A/V fields. For instance, some cable boxes use firewire, and as I mentioned before, DV cams do too.
All HDTV (and indeed digital television period) capable devices, from the tuner box to the display, and including all recording devices in between, will be required as of this summer to include functional IEEE 1394 ports.
All HDTV (and indeed digital television period) capable devices, from the tuner box to the display, and including all recording devices in between, will be required as of this summer to include functional IEEE 1394 ports.
This has been exciting me because I think firewire would be a great all-purpose interconnect for home-theater. You wouldn't have to worry what plugs into what. As long as everything is on the chain, it would still work.
This has been exciting me because I think firewire would be a great all-purpose interconnect for home-theater. You wouldn't have to worry what plugs into what. As long as everything is on the chain, it would still work.
We can only hope...
Firewire won't be used. The industry has decided on HDMI connections. FW may be used in some places but I don't see it gaining any widespread use.
Actually, last time I read the FCC requirements, HDMI *and* FW were required.
Yeah HDMI is uncompressed... it's basically a DVI plug (with audio?) from what I can tell from the best buy guy (take what he says, subtract half of it which is BS, add common sense, and you're half right)
therefore to interconnect between devices firewire would be necessary.. otherwise it'd just be insane amounts of data
Probably the one used by the vast majority of purchasers and not the one used by relatively few purchasers.
That's them, this is us (mac users).
Firewire 400 is faster than USB 2.
You're explaining why Apple can "get away with it"... that has nothing to do with whether or not I'm going to be pissed when my new iPod has no firewire cable (I'm not getting a new iPod, just using the example).
Typical apologists--"The majority don't need it so it's OK for Apple not to include it."
I bet the majority of people don't use DVI, that doesn't make it unimportant.
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Check the Paranoia sections
Relax people it's a cable. I think the whole reason why Mac users are flipping out is because they've bragged to their friends about how much better Firewire is over USB and now must eat a tad bit of crow as Apple standardizes on USB 2.0.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Can anyone with a DSM-TR 4 find the freakin' pathology that afflicts people, especially Mac user who think that everything should be included in the box while not appreciably affection the prize.
Check the Paranoia sections
Relax people it's a cable. I think the whole reason why Mac users are flipping out is because they've bragged to their friends about how much better Firewire is over USB and now must eat a tad bit of crow as Apple standardizes on USB 2.0.
Sums it for me, Admins you may now close this piece of shitt.
Originally posted by Relic
Sums it for me, Admins you may now close this piece of shitt.
You know, all we've been saying is we wish Apple still bundled the cable. It's apples self-appointed defenders who've gotten heated, called us delusional and used alternate spellings of shit. I don't think the person who started this thread was a troll.
But then, I don't think I'm a troll.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Here's something I have never understood...I have always thought of Firewire as far superior to USB. So why isn't it more abundant in PC land?
Because PCs don't need it.
They have enough PCI slots, enough hard drive bays, and cheap upgrade options so the ONLY thing a PC user would do with a firewire port is a digicam or an iPod.
I am still pissed off that my G5 only came with 3 PCIs (2 after I installed my 6800) and 2 HD bays. Total Horsesh¡t.
Moreover, I've never seen a firewire keyboard before, have you?
I have never liked USB, they just don't make PS/2 stuff anymore (and never did for mac), so there's nothing I can do.
If there is a demand, someone will supply. With ALL of the macs but the powermac ($1.5 grand minumum) having NO PCI's and 1 hard drive bay, and the powermac itself only having 3 (2) and 2 respectively, NOBODY is going to make cool things like PCI HDTV tuners for the mac.
That answer your question?
Oh, and by the way, the past 5 x86 motherboards I've bought (for me and for others) have all had firewire anyway, it's standard on build-your-own systems.
Originally posted by slughead
Oh, and by the way, the past 5 x86 motherboards I've bought (for me and for others) have all had firewire anyway, it's standard on build-your-own systems.
So did the $400 dollar Compaq I bought my son for Christmas. I think if you subtracted all the stripped down corporate-secretary type machines from the numbers, people would find that firewire acceptance in the PC world is far greater than they give it credit for.
Originally posted by D.J. Adequate
You know, all we've been saying is we wish Apple still bundled the cable. It's apples self-appointed defenders who've gotten heated, called us delusional and used alternate spellings of shit. I don't think the person who started this thread was a troll.
Perhaps a few quotes to jog the memory...
(All from this thread)
I am told that if I have a Mac with a USB 1.1 interface, that my computer is obsolete...
My message to Apple is YOU SUCK!
Apple as a company however is just full of it!
Apple - are you listening - I doubt it.
Get a life - it's not only the principle but the deceit and again, abandoning those who stick with them.
Apple [...] throwing away the Firewire cable [...]
Is it all too hard to understand? And to those of you who are all grown up and mature enough to accept Apple's disdain, good luck to you.
Smells like a troll to me.
Originally posted by slughead
NOBODY is going to make cool things like PCI HDTV tuners for the mac.
http://www.defyne.org/dvb/driver.html
Originally posted by IQatEdo
Hi
So Apple drops prices by making the customer pay more to make the product usable - that's what you are supporting!
Who uses Firewire? Mac users. Which cable isn't included - the one Mac users use. Get a life - it's not only the principle but the deceit and again, abandoning those who stick with them.
Is that the best you can do?
Oh fuck, if you get a modern 1gb thumbdrive, it will be usb2, a new digital media reader, USB2, hell, almost everything but digital video is USB2
Get an interface card, get a hub and be done.
WRT FireWire on PCs: There are two kinds, 4-pin, and 6-pin. The difference is whether they supply power. All Macs ship with 6-pin FireWire. All Sonys, and who knows how many other PCs, ship with 4-pin FireWire. iPod ships with a 6-pin FireWire cable, so that it can be charged. In other words, what seems like absolute simplicity on the Mac is not absolute simplicity on the PC.
All implementations of USB2 supply power, and there's only one connector.
One of the great strengths of FireWire as a connector is that you can daisy-chain things together. USB is strictly master/slave. But no iPod, nor any iPod dock, has ever supplied the second FireWire port that makes daisy-chaining possible. It effectively uses a master/slave relationship to the PC anyway, so nothing lost there.
Lastly, and sadly, sometimes you just have to cut your losses. Intel pushed USB2 hard, and when they want to push a motherboard tech, it's very hard to push back. Apple lost this round, at least in the consumer space. FireWire has successfully replaced SCSI in the prosumer and professional spaces.
There is some future for Firewire, but only in A/V fields. For instance, some cable boxes use firewire, and as I mentioned before, DV cams do too.
Firewire 800, however, was and is a total flop, and rightly so. Just because Apple refuses to put enough drive bays in their computers doesn't mean the PC world will.
If you spent enough money on a RAID-0 to require firewire 800, you're probably just going to use SATA or fiberchannel
Originally posted by Amorph
Lastly, and sadly, sometimes you just have to cut your losses. Intel pushed USB2 hard, and when they want to push a motherboard tech, it's very hard to push back. Apple lost this round, at least in the consumer space. FireWire has successfully replaced SCSI in the prosumer and professional spaces.
Step one: Reduce price of product, remove somewhat unnecessary accessory
Step Two: Sell a hell of a lot of somewhat unnecessary accessory at sweet assed margin
Step three: ???
Step Four: Profit!!!
Step one: Lower price + more "simplicity" ("it uses USB right?") = more iPod sales.
Step two: more iPod sales = more Mac sales (see 11% of Windows iPod users to switch article)
Step three: ???
Step four: Profit!!!
On a scale of one to not a big deal this rates about an eleven. I'm sorry for the inconvenience you've suffered in having to upgrade to 2.0 or in having to buy a firewire cable (or use one from a previous iPod) but c'est la vie. Don't take it personally chum, I have it on good authority that Steve doesn't hate you.
Originally posted by slughead
There is some future for Firewire, but only in A/V fields. For instance, some cable boxes use firewire, and as I mentioned before, DV cams do too.
All HDTV (and indeed digital television period) capable devices, from the tuner box to the display, and including all recording devices in between, will be required as of this summer to include functional IEEE 1394 ports.
Originally posted by Kickaha
All HDTV (and indeed digital television period) capable devices, from the tuner box to the display, and including all recording devices in between, will be required as of this summer to include functional IEEE 1394 ports.
This has been exciting me because I think firewire would be a great all-purpose interconnect for home-theater. You wouldn't have to worry what plugs into what. As long as everything is on the chain, it would still work.
We can only hope...
Originally posted by dfiler
This has been exciting me because I think firewire would be a great all-purpose interconnect for home-theater. You wouldn't have to worry what plugs into what. As long as everything is on the chain, it would still work.
We can only hope...
Firewire won't be used. The industry has decided on HDMI connections. FW may be used in some places but I don't see it gaining any widespread use.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Actually, last time I read the FCC requirements, HDMI *and* FW were required.
Yeah HDMI is uncompressed... it's basically a DVI plug (with audio?) from what I can tell from the best buy guy (take what he says, subtract half of it which is BS, add common sense, and you're half right)
therefore to interconnect between devices firewire would be necessary.. otherwise it'd just be insane amounts of data
Who gives a rat?s ass about some friggen cable; the thing is 20 bucks for goodness sakes
Probably around five if you get it from Radioshack.
Alternatively, I got a four port USB 2.0 card for £8 here in the UK (from Dabs.com).
Originally posted by Stoo
Probably around five if you get it from Radioshack.
Alternatively, I got a four port USB 2.0 card for £8 here in the UK (from Dabs.com).
You pay $400 for an mp3 player, shouldn't it come with a $5 part?
Probably the one used by the vast majority of purchasers and not the one used by relatively few purchasers.
Originally posted by dfiler
Yes, but which $5 part?
Probably the one used by the vast majority of purchasers and not the one used by relatively few purchasers.
That's them, this is us (mac users).
Firewire 400 is faster than USB 2.
You're explaining why Apple can "get away with it"... that has nothing to do with whether or not I'm going to be pissed when my new iPod has no firewire cable (I'm not getting a new iPod, just using the example).
Typical apologists--"The majority don't need it so it's OK for Apple not to include it."
I bet the majority of people don't use DVI, that doesn't make it unimportant.