That is kinda hard to avoid with a thread title of "Will July Macworld bring a REAL Powerbook?!?!?" After all the current Powerbooks are real if not a bit over priced.
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Do you guys see an update coming sooner than august? I definitely do.
Yes but what that update is remains a conflicted set of ideas in my mind.
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My reasons (restating)...
1. ibooks are stagnet without it
Actually if the iBooks are out selling PowerBooks at the moment it would be silly not to pay attention to them. A business is about sales if Apple has momentum someplace in the line up they really should strive to maintain that momentum.
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2. powerbook sales are sufferring, lack of hardware updates
Well we believe they are selling but it is certain that the lack of competitve hardware is an issue. It certainly is another case of Apple letting a product line slowlly bleed to death on the alter of neglect.
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3. e600's should be done around that time
I'm hoping that they are done like in the next couple of weeks. It will take time to get product based on them out the door. So far though I have not seen indications that Freescale is shipping, however their schedule doesn't call for mass shipments just yet.
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4. newer technologies are coming out like better batteries
Yes that is a possibility. Or Apple could simply stop scrimping on batteries. For the iBook batteries are very important as that machine needs extended run times on battery.
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5. LCDs are WAY outdated
Well there is a debate in and of itself. If you are part of the crowd that likes tiny pixels then you are probally right.
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6. Motherboard is suffereing big time compared to other laptops and computers: bus speed, graphics speed / card, ram speed.
I do believe that the next rev will take care of some of these issues. But you do have to understand that this is Apple, even the high end machine is likely to suffer relative to what it could be.
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7. durability (I have not been happy with the aluminum enclosure, I have seen too many come into be repaired from dropping them).
Actually this is an issue with both the iBook and the PowerBook. Maybe they will go with the latest technology wood!
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I stand by these reasons as not to buy a current powerbook. I don't feel they are as advanced as they should be.
The new PowerBooks probably won't be as advance as they should be either. After all Apple has been lacking here for some time.
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The powerbook is exactly where the imac was 10 months ago, and where the powermac was 2 years ago... at a dead end.
That is not quite true. Atleast now we as consumers can see where Apple can go for potential up grades. We have the e600, the 7448, the PPE's and even all of Cell as potential upgrade paths. 2 years ago it didn't look like Apple had an alternative.
Actually if the iBooks are out selling PowerBooks at the moment it would be silly not to pay attention to them. A business is about sales if Apple has momentum someplace in the line up they really should strive to maintain that momentum.
That's my point... they are out selling hte powerbooks... and the ibooks will be up for revamp in 1-3 months... if the powerbook isn't advanced they wont' be able to advance the ibook without the specs running straight into the powerbooks. Theh line between the models is too thin as it is now. Could you imagine how the powerbook sales would be if the ibook had 1.5ghz and 1.33ghz processors and a better graphics card? The 12" powerbook wouldn't sell at all! And if it did it would be for the cool factor.
And the LCD response times are way higher than the pc laptop screens... That was what I was referring too... but I'd also like smaller pixels please... thanks.
The thing that drives me crazy is people always complaining about Apple. I understand that their hardware might not be the FASTEST out there, but the whole experience as being a Mac user is more important IMHO than have the FASTEST machine available.
Apple should catch up with the latest speed improvements and offerings, I agree. But, I would never think at this time about going to a PC because they are somewhat behind with their current line up.
The G5 "experience" is just like the G4 "experience" (fiasco) from a users standpoint. (it's all happening again)
When that "experience" becomes a constant performance struggle it gets on our nerves. You never know what Apple is going to release, and once again lately they have been falling short on what is expected of them from their core user groups, and legacy users.
When things that don't go into a powerMac, or a Powerbook that most users think should, the usual BS you hear from everyone is, "well... It'll be in the next update for sure". But if you decide to go with the current update some things are just going to be old parts that no one is interested in when it comes to resale.
Your precious Apple "experience" is all about f***ing you over. They are waiting for parts to become outdated to get them at bargain prices, then they charge you an arm, and a leg for some shitty update you never really wanted, and they also are improving their new computer sales by making the computer you just spent a fortune on harder to sell because it's totally outdated by the time the next update comes, and that update will again be falling behind technologically because of something new. Then again you will hear "it'll be in the next update for sure".
What a great experience gugy. I've experienced it more than once. And I didn't like it last time either.
Your precious Apple "experience" is all about f***ing you over. They are waiting for parts to become outdated to get them at bargain prices, then they charge you an arm, and a leg for some shitty update you never really wanted, and they also are improving their new computer sales by making the computer you just spent a fortune on harder to sell because it's totally outdated by the time the next update comes, and that update will again be falling behind technologically because of something new. Then again you will hear "it'll be in the next update for sure".
What a great experience gugy. I've experienced it more than once. And I didn't like it last time either.
uhh, what's the reason to have a PowerBook?
What I really want is Tiger OS X and user expirience with software. I need a mobility of a laptop. I don't want to want to upgrade for several years.
We'll all know soon enough. I am betting the 970GX actually makes its appearance soon. If that is the lower-power G5 everyone seems to be discussing (although no name has been given to it) I guarantee it will be for the PowerBook line. Make no mistake, several revs of Mac OS X-ago there was mention in kernel extensions of the PowerBook G5. Apparently heat issues, et al, deemed it not ready for prime-time. That was 8 months ago now. Soon. When? My guess is WWDC.
The G5 "experience" is just like the G4 "experience" (fiasco) from a users standpoint. (it's all happening again)
When that "experience" becomes a constant performance struggle it gets on our nerves. You never know what Apple is going to release, and once again lately they have been falling short on what is expected of them from their core user groups, and legacy users.
When things that don't go into a powerMac, or a Powerbook that most users think should, the usual BS you hear from everyone is, "well... It'll be in the next update for sure". But if you decide to go with the current update some things are just going to be old parts that no one is interested in when it comes to resale.
Your precious Apple "experience" is all about f***ing you over. They are waiting for parts to become outdated to get them at bargain prices, then they charge you an arm, and a leg for some shitty update you never really wanted, and they also are improving their new computer sales by making the computer you just spent a fortune on harder to sell because it's totally outdated by the time the next update comes, and that update will again be falling behind technologically because of something new. Then again you will hear "it'll be in the next update for sure".
What a great experience gugy. I've experienced it more than once. And I didn't like it last time either.
wow,
I am surprise onlooker. I thought you were a Mac fan.
I agree with some of your points. I am disappointed with some of Apple moves as well. but I do not believe Apple are trying to F**k us over as you said.
I am still a mac believer and I would rather use a mac even with the problems you mentioned than move to a PC.
I seriously doubt apple will add 7200 rpm drives to their line up... especially with the introduction of a g5 laptop. The g5 will be hard enough on battery life as it is, the addition of a 7200 rpm drive would KILL that battery to dust.
I expect a new chassis, carbon fiber? I doubt it. Carbon fiber is too delicate for a portable laptop... one bump or drop and you have freying carbon fiber. Its ironic we are talking about carbon fiber vs aluminum (ok I am)... but 2 weeks ago I took off of my carbon fiber skidplate and frame guards off of my YZF 450 2005 and replaced them with aluminum ones. It turned out the aluminum was lighter and more durable. The carbon fiber was starting to frey and warp on the frame guards.
I'd like to see them bring back titanium... I really liked the ti's and I really like the thinkpad t series (also titanium).
But at the very least I'd say DEFINITELY expect a new chassis.
I seriously doubt apple will add 7200 rpm drives to their line up... especially with the introduction of a g5 laptop. The g5 will be hard enough on battery life as it is, the addition of a 7200 rpm drive would KILL that battery to dust.
I expect a new chassis, carbon fiber? I doubt it. Carbon fiber is too delicate for a portable laptop... one bump or drop and you have freying carbon fiber. Its ironic we are talking about carbon fiber vs aluminum (ok I am)... but 2 weeks ago I took off of my carbon fiber skidplate and frame guards off of my YZF 450 2005 and replaced them with aluminum ones. It turned out the aluminum was lighter and more durable. The carbon fiber was starting to frey and warp on the frame guards.
I'd like to see them bring back titanium... I really liked the ti's and I really like the thinkpad t series (also titanium).
But at the very least I'd say DEFINITELY expect a new chassis.
I still wish they offered the 7200 rpm drive as BTO; these Alu's are a pain in the ass to open and replace the drive. I've done it 3 times so far and I always manage to break one of the metal clips. I really dislike the aluminum casing as well, here?s hoping for a change.
You are entitled to have whatever opinion you want. that's not the point.
The point is everybody always whine about Mac not being this or that or not offering this or that. the real question is, are you willing to give up all of Mac has to offer to move to a PC?
For me they have to really drop completely the ball for me to start even considering that.
As far as I know, at this time they are doing pretty good in keeping me as a loyal user.
You don?t expect me to eat the cheese with out the whine do you? Whining is an integral part of this community, without I wouldn?t be here because that?ll mean you all took the cool aid. There is no point trying to stifle it, embrace it, and use it as blackmail to keep these forums interesting.
Oh, and brand loyalty always has this way of coming back to bite you in the ass so don?t sink the dingy just yet.
I am surprise onlooker. I thought you were a Mac fan.
I agree with some of your points. I am disappointed with some of Apple moves as well. but I do not believe Apple are trying to F**k us over as you said.
I am still a mac believer and I would rather use a mac even with the problems you mentioned than move to a PC.
Cheer up man!
Don't get me wrong. I like the OS a lot, and the computers to a point, but it's become a constant burdening to purchase them. Sometimes there is the unthinkable alternative. And sometimes it looks a heck of a lot better than what I've been dealing with for a few years while waiting for them to get their act together.
My last Mac I thought was insanely great was my 9600/200MP that I upgraded the processors on. That's 9 years ago.
If you consider adding 167mhz to the clockspeed a "performance increase" then I have to disagree with you... if you consider the adding 5400 rpm drive as a performance increase, then again I have to disagree with you.... you have been able to put 5400rpm drives in powerbooks since ti1ghz days.
Oh I agree with you. A wink smiley was there for a reason.
But on the one hand, Apple did increase performance, a tiny percent I give you, but they also added some features such as dual channel DVI, the motion sensor, Bluetooth 2.0 w/EDR, and lowered the price $100 to $200. They did the absolute minimum in protecting the features per dollar or performance per dollar ratio for a new model. It is a better Powerbook G4 compared to the previous model.
But on the other hand, I agree with most of you guys. I've been a proponent of a Powerbook G5 for a long time. The Powerbook G4 is really a mid-ranged laptop and should be had for $1400 to $2400 or so. The $2400+ space should be for a Powerbook G5.
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I seriously doubt apple will attend East Macworld... they have stated over and over again that it costs so much money to do SF, Tokyo, Paris macworlds and WWDC that is really hard to afford Boston as well.
If they are not going to attend MacWorld in July, the probably of a Powerbook announcement there is near zero. The thread topic is answered.
Comparing a Powerbook to an Alienware laptop is laughable. The Alienware's battery life is what, half an hour? If that. And it weighs at least twice as much as a PB. I'd love to see a guy set his Alienware up on a traytable on a transatlantic flight with his Pentium 4 and dual 7200 RPM hard drives, and start up Flight Simulator. He wouldn't even get off the ground.
I don't think the GX is the low-power version, I think it's the multicore version (available in single-core too). The FX is the low-power part, and IBM hasn't been able to get it to work reliably. We might not see a G5 PB until well after WWDC.
The PB line is going to languish for a while. We all might as well get used to it. In the meantime, perhaps Apple will allow the iBook line to get faster.
Comparing a Powerbook to an Alienware laptop is laughable.
Why is it laughable? Because you think I was comparing an Apple to a PC laptop to see which one was "better?" Again, for the third time, I'm talking about internal components because I feel that the PowerBook is lacking; I'd love to have both an SATA 7200rpm hard drive and DDR400 RAM in a laptop.
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The Alienware's battery life is what, half an hour? If that. And it weighs at least twice as much as a PB. I'd love to see a guy set his Alienware up on a traytable on a transatlantic flight with his Pentium 4 and dual 7200 RPM hard drives, and start up Flight Simulator. He wouldn't even get off the ground.
Do some research before run that condescending mouth of yours:
Apple 17" PowerBook
-58-watt-hour lithium-ion battery (with integrated charge indicator LEDs) providing up to 4.5 hours of battery life (17-inch model)
-Weight: 6.9 pounds (3.1 kg) with battery and optical drive installed
Alienware MJ-12m 5500
-Primary Battery: 12 Cells, 8800 mAH Long Battery Life: 12 Cells for ~2.2hrs
-Weight: 7.6 pounds
Granted, the MF-12m 5500 is a little heavier than the PB (not ??twice as much??), and the battery life is quite a bit shorter than the PB (but not ??half an hour??). Having said that, I feel those setbacks in the Alienware MJ-12m 5500 are worth having a better video card, faster RAM, a faster hard drive, and the possibility of having a second hard drive. Yet again, I use and prefer Apple, and all I?m saying is that I feel the current PowerBooks are quite behind in their hardware specifications; they could and should be better.
just kidding People, he is comparing performance or Apple Software vs XP software, he simply is saying why isn't Apple putting higher tech components in the PB?
I agree, I was looking about a month ago at Apple for the first time, but I'm holding back. I agree the components are superior, but it seems this is why Apple hasn't included them. They would eat up too much juice, they would heat up too much if they were to construct a G5 PB. I think they're are still a year to year and a half from production. I am using as we speak an older Compaq. It's on its last leg. Once it dies I'll buy. Still not positive it will be an Apple. I look forward to an Apple store opening up in a couple of weeks here.
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Originally posted by 00100011
As an example: Alienware Laptop(s) Vs. Apple PowerBook
But on the other hand, I agree with most of you guys. I've been a proponent of a Powerbook G5 for a long time. The Powerbook G4 is really a mid-ranged laptop and should be had for $1400 to $2400 or so. The $2400+ space should be for a Powerbook G5.
If they are not going to attend MacWorld in July, the probably of a Powerbook announcement there is near zero. The thread topic is answered.
I think the thread should edited for WWDC as Apple does not attend this Macworld.
That said, I also agree that the PB looks more like a mid range laptop - the ibook is such a sterling product for the low end, its a pity the PB falls short - I can only deduce that Apple is deperately trying to get more competitive in the high end.
I doubt even SJ would be liking his G4 17" that much - my hunch WWDC.
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Originally posted by emig647
Lets not turn this into a debate thread...
That is kinda hard to avoid with a thread title of "Will July Macworld bring a REAL Powerbook?!?!?" After all the current Powerbooks are real if not a bit over priced.
Do you guys see an update coming sooner than august? I definitely do.
Yes but what that update is remains a conflicted set of ideas in my mind.
My reasons (restating)...
1. ibooks are stagnet without it
Actually if the iBooks are out selling PowerBooks at the moment it would be silly not to pay attention to them. A business is about sales if Apple has momentum someplace in the line up they really should strive to maintain that momentum.
2. powerbook sales are sufferring, lack of hardware updates
Well we believe they are selling but it is certain that the lack of competitve hardware is an issue. It certainly is another case of Apple letting a product line slowlly bleed to death on the alter of neglect.
3. e600's should be done around that time
I'm hoping that they are done like in the next couple of weeks. It will take time to get product based on them out the door. So far though I have not seen indications that Freescale is shipping, however their schedule doesn't call for mass shipments just yet.
4. newer technologies are coming out like better batteries
Yes that is a possibility. Or Apple could simply stop scrimping on batteries. For the iBook batteries are very important as that machine needs extended run times on battery.
5. LCDs are WAY outdated
Well there is a debate in and of itself. If you are part of the crowd that likes tiny pixels then you are probally right.
6. Motherboard is suffereing big time compared to other laptops and computers: bus speed, graphics speed / card, ram speed.
I do believe that the next rev will take care of some of these issues. But you do have to understand that this is Apple, even the high end machine is likely to suffer relative to what it could be.
7. durability (I have not been happy with the aluminum enclosure, I have seen too many come into be repaired from dropping them).
Actually this is an issue with both the iBook and the PowerBook. Maybe they will go with the latest technology wood!
I stand by these reasons as not to buy a current powerbook. I don't feel they are as advanced as they should be.
The new PowerBooks probably won't be as advance as they should be either. After all Apple has been lacking here for some time.
The powerbook is exactly where the imac was 10 months ago, and where the powermac was 2 years ago... at a dead end.
That is not quite true. Atleast now we as consumers can see where Apple can go for potential up grades. We have the e600, the 7448, the PPE's and even all of Cell as potential upgrade paths. 2 years ago it didn't look like Apple had an alternative.
Dave
Originally posted by wizard69
Actually if the iBooks are out selling PowerBooks at the moment it would be silly not to pay attention to them. A business is about sales if Apple has momentum someplace in the line up they really should strive to maintain that momentum.
That's my point... they are out selling hte powerbooks... and the ibooks will be up for revamp in 1-3 months... if the powerbook isn't advanced they wont' be able to advance the ibook without the specs running straight into the powerbooks. Theh line between the models is too thin as it is now. Could you imagine how the powerbook sales would be if the ibook had 1.5ghz and 1.33ghz processors and a better graphics card? The 12" powerbook wouldn't sell at all! And if it did it would be for the cool factor.
And the LCD response times are way higher than the pc laptop screens... That was what I was referring too... but I'd also like smaller pixels please... thanks.
Originally posted by gugy
well, so then go buy a PC.
The thing that drives me crazy is people always complaining about Apple. I understand that their hardware might not be the FASTEST out there, but the whole experience as being a Mac user is more important IMHO than have the FASTEST machine available.
Apple should catch up with the latest speed improvements and offerings, I agree. But, I would never think at this time about going to a PC because they are somewhat behind with their current line up.
The G5 "experience" is just like the G4 "experience" (fiasco) from a users standpoint. (it's all happening again)
When that "experience" becomes a constant performance struggle it gets on our nerves. You never know what Apple is going to release, and once again lately they have been falling short on what is expected of them from their core user groups, and legacy users.
When things that don't go into a powerMac, or a Powerbook that most users think should, the usual BS you hear from everyone is, "well... It'll be in the next update for sure". But if you decide to go with the current update some things are just going to be old parts that no one is interested in when it comes to resale.
Your precious Apple "experience" is all about f***ing you over. They are waiting for parts to become outdated to get them at bargain prices, then they charge you an arm, and a leg for some shitty update you never really wanted, and they also are improving their new computer sales by making the computer you just spent a fortune on harder to sell because it's totally outdated by the time the next update comes, and that update will again be falling behind technologically because of something new. Then again you will hear "it'll be in the next update for sure".
What a great experience gugy. I've experienced it more than once. And I didn't like it last time either.
Originally posted by onlooker
Your precious Apple "experience" is all about f***ing you over. They are waiting for parts to become outdated to get them at bargain prices, then they charge you an arm, and a leg for some shitty update you never really wanted, and they also are improving their new computer sales by making the computer you just spent a fortune on harder to sell because it's totally outdated by the time the next update comes, and that update will again be falling behind technologically because of something new. Then again you will hear "it'll be in the next update for sure".
What a great experience gugy. I've experienced it more than once. And I didn't like it last time either.
uhh, what's the reason to have a PowerBook?
What I really want is Tiger OS X and user expirience with software. I need a mobility of a laptop. I don't want to want to upgrade for several years.
Will I be able to do this in June, 2005?
Originally posted by bazad
Will I be able to do this in June, 2005?
That's the million dollar question isn't it.
Originally posted by onlooker
The G5 "experience" is just like the G4 "experience" (fiasco) from a users standpoint. (it's all happening again)
When that "experience" becomes a constant performance struggle it gets on our nerves. You never know what Apple is going to release, and once again lately they have been falling short on what is expected of them from their core user groups, and legacy users.
When things that don't go into a powerMac, or a Powerbook that most users think should, the usual BS you hear from everyone is, "well... It'll be in the next update for sure". But if you decide to go with the current update some things are just going to be old parts that no one is interested in when it comes to resale.
Your precious Apple "experience" is all about f***ing you over. They are waiting for parts to become outdated to get them at bargain prices, then they charge you an arm, and a leg for some shitty update you never really wanted, and they also are improving their new computer sales by making the computer you just spent a fortune on harder to sell because it's totally outdated by the time the next update comes, and that update will again be falling behind technologically because of something new. Then again you will hear "it'll be in the next update for sure".
What a great experience gugy. I've experienced it more than once. And I didn't like it last time either.
wow,
I am surprise onlooker. I thought you were a Mac fan.
I agree with some of your points. I am disappointed with some of Apple moves as well. but I do not believe Apple are trying to F**k us over as you said.
I am still a mac believer and I would rather use a mac even with the problems you mentioned than move to a PC.
Cheer up man!
hopefully that 970GX is the low-powered G5 and goes into a PB soon
Like the leap to the G5 on the PowerMac line and the advent of the now familar 'cheese-grater' chassis...
I say IBM PowerPC 970GX CPUs, 4GB DDR SDRAM, 8x SuperDrives, 7200rpm SerialATA150 HDDs & nVidia Quadro FX Go1400 GPUs...
With a HD-ready 1920x1200 17" LCD screen...
In an all-new black carbon fiber shell with an aluminum frame...
SWEET!
I expect a new chassis, carbon fiber? I doubt it. Carbon fiber is too delicate for a portable laptop... one bump or drop and you have freying carbon fiber. Its ironic we are talking about carbon fiber vs aluminum (ok I am)... but 2 weeks ago I took off of my carbon fiber skidplate and frame guards off of my YZF 450 2005 and replaced them with aluminum ones. It turned out the aluminum was lighter and more durable. The carbon fiber was starting to frey and warp on the frame guards.
I'd like to see them bring back titanium... I really liked the ti's and I really like the thinkpad t series (also titanium).
But at the very least I'd say DEFINITELY expect a new chassis.
Originally posted by emig647
I seriously doubt apple will add 7200 rpm drives to their line up... especially with the introduction of a g5 laptop. The g5 will be hard enough on battery life as it is, the addition of a 7200 rpm drive would KILL that battery to dust.
I expect a new chassis, carbon fiber? I doubt it. Carbon fiber is too delicate for a portable laptop... one bump or drop and you have freying carbon fiber. Its ironic we are talking about carbon fiber vs aluminum (ok I am)... but 2 weeks ago I took off of my carbon fiber skidplate and frame guards off of my YZF 450 2005 and replaced them with aluminum ones. It turned out the aluminum was lighter and more durable. The carbon fiber was starting to frey and warp on the frame guards.
I'd like to see them bring back titanium... I really liked the ti's and I really like the thinkpad t series (also titanium).
But at the very least I'd say DEFINITELY expect a new chassis.
I still wish they offered the 7200 rpm drive as BTO; these Alu's are a pain in the ass to open and replace the drive. I've done it 3 times so far and I always manage to break one of the metal clips. I really dislike the aluminum casing as well, here?s hoping for a change.
Originally posted by gugy
You are entitled to have whatever opinion you want. that's not the point.
The point is everybody always whine about Mac not being this or that or not offering this or that. the real question is, are you willing to give up all of Mac has to offer to move to a PC?
For me they have to really drop completely the ball for me to start even considering that.
As far as I know, at this time they are doing pretty good in keeping me as a loyal user.
You don?t expect me to eat the cheese with out the whine do you? Whining is an integral part of this community, without I wouldn?t be here because that?ll mean you all took the cool aid. There is no point trying to stifle it, embrace it, and use it as blackmail to keep these forums interesting.
Oh, and brand loyalty always has this way of coming back to bite you in the ass so don?t sink the dingy just yet.
Originally posted by gugy
wow,
I am surprise onlooker. I thought you were a Mac fan.
I agree with some of your points. I am disappointed with some of Apple moves as well. but I do not believe Apple are trying to F**k us over as you said.
I am still a mac believer and I would rather use a mac even with the problems you mentioned than move to a PC.
Cheer up man!
Don't get me wrong. I like the OS a lot, and the computers to a point, but it's become a constant burdening to purchase them. Sometimes there is the unthinkable alternative. And sometimes it looks a heck of a lot better than what I've been dealing with for a few years while waiting for them to get their act together.
My last Mac I thought was insanely great was my 9600/200MP that I upgraded the processors on. That's 9 years ago.
Originally posted by emig647
If you consider adding 167mhz to the clockspeed a "performance increase" then I have to disagree with you... if you consider the adding 5400 rpm drive as a performance increase, then again I have to disagree with you.... you have been able to put 5400rpm drives in powerbooks since ti1ghz days.
Oh I agree with you. A wink smiley was there for a reason.
But on the one hand, Apple did increase performance, a tiny percent I give you, but they also added some features such as dual channel DVI, the motion sensor, Bluetooth 2.0 w/EDR, and lowered the price $100 to $200. They did the absolute minimum in protecting the features per dollar or performance per dollar ratio for a new model. It is a better Powerbook G4 compared to the previous model.
But on the other hand, I agree with most of you guys. I've been a proponent of a Powerbook G5 for a long time. The Powerbook G4 is really a mid-ranged laptop and should be had for $1400 to $2400 or so. The $2400+ space should be for a Powerbook G5.
I seriously doubt apple will attend East Macworld... they have stated over and over again that it costs so much money to do SF, Tokyo, Paris macworlds and WWDC that is really hard to afford Boston as well.
If they are not going to attend MacWorld in July, the probably of a Powerbook announcement there is near zero. The thread topic is answered.
I don't think the GX is the low-power version, I think it's the multicore version (available in single-core too). The FX is the low-power part, and IBM hasn't been able to get it to work reliably. We might not see a G5 PB until well after WWDC.
The PB line is going to languish for a while. We all might as well get used to it. In the meantime, perhaps Apple will allow the iBook line to get faster.
Originally posted by Relic
Ouch, my deepest condolescence.
How about me? I have to use my mothers iMac 233.
Still waiting for that PBG5..
Comparing a Powerbook to an Alienware laptop is laughable.
Why is it laughable? Because you think I was comparing an Apple to a PC laptop to see which one was "better?" Again, for the third time, I'm talking about internal components because I feel that the PowerBook is lacking; I'd love to have both an SATA 7200rpm hard drive and DDR400 RAM in a laptop.
The Alienware's battery life is what, half an hour? If that. And it weighs at least twice as much as a PB. I'd love to see a guy set his Alienware up on a traytable on a transatlantic flight with his Pentium 4 and dual 7200 RPM hard drives, and start up Flight Simulator. He wouldn't even get off the ground.
Do some research before run that condescending mouth of yours:
Apple 17" PowerBook
-58-watt-hour lithium-ion battery (with integrated charge indicator LEDs) providing up to 4.5 hours of battery life (17-inch model)
-Weight: 6.9 pounds (3.1 kg) with battery and optical drive installed
Alienware MJ-12m 5500
-Primary Battery: 12 Cells, 8800 mAH Long Battery Life: 12 Cells for ~2.2hrs
-Weight: 7.6 pounds
Granted, the MF-12m 5500 is a little heavier than the PB (not ??twice as much??), and the battery life is quite a bit shorter than the PB (but not ??half an hour??). Having said that, I feel those setbacks in the Alienware MJ-12m 5500 are worth having a better video card, faster RAM, a faster hard drive, and the possibility of having a second hard drive. Yet again, I use and prefer Apple, and all I?m saying is that I feel the current PowerBooks are quite behind in their hardware specifications; they could and should be better.
just kidding
I agree, I was looking about a month ago at Apple for the first time, but I'm holding back. I agree the components are superior, but it seems this is why Apple hasn't included them. They would eat up too much juice, they would heat up too much if they were to construct a G5 PB. I think they're are still a year to year and a half from production. I am using as we speak an older Compaq. It's on its last leg. Once it dies I'll buy. Still not positive it will be an Apple. I look forward to an Apple store opening up in a couple of weeks here.
Originally posted by 00100011
As an example: Alienware Laptop(s) Vs. Apple PowerBook
Originally posted by johnq
Whiny b#tches.
I'm still on a 700MHz iBook.
Shut your spoiled pie-holes.
700 Mhz? luxury! my mac is still a 266 G3 wallstreet PB running OS 9. been waiting to get some positive financials (presently) to upgrade.
Originally posted by THT
But on the other hand, I agree with most of you guys. I've been a proponent of a Powerbook G5 for a long time. The Powerbook G4 is really a mid-ranged laptop and should be had for $1400 to $2400 or so. The $2400+ space should be for a Powerbook G5.
If they are not going to attend MacWorld in July, the probably of a Powerbook announcement there is near zero. The thread topic is answered.
I think the thread should edited for WWDC as Apple does not attend this Macworld.
That said, I also agree that the PB looks more like a mid range laptop - the ibook is such a sterling product for the low end, its a pity the PB falls short - I can only deduce that Apple is deperately trying to get more competitive in the high end.
I doubt even SJ would be liking his G4 17" that much - my hunch WWDC.