Yeah Right.. as if I am gonna come right out and say.. Haven't you heard of NDA's?
Needless to say said person was just finishing off the GM Tiger install onto powerbook... I was told that snippet 15mins before signature was laid on NDA.
Whoever was doing that install had signed an NDA months before. This is not the time to be signing on testers. Besides, there is such a thing as "intent". If he intended to sign an NDA, he would have been held to it's restrictions before.
I don't believe what you are saying, anyway, because no one is allowed to see restricted information until AFTER they have signed. I've signed plenty.
That doesn't mean that whatever you have read elsewhere isn't correct, but five or six sounds a bit much. Three or four would do it.
They need a break? Most are on holiday? Very funny.
It has been reported on these forums that a large proportion of the Mac OS X team are on holiday having finished their portion of the release. There comes a point where Apple have to say yes we could carry on developing it but it'll be just as good to release it as it is and fix more bugs later. If Apple followed your reasoning there are always more bugs and they should fix them all. Apple need to make money and keep respected by the industry, it's a compromise and I'm sure Apple know what they're doing.
It has been reported on these forums that a large proportion of the Mac OS X team are on holiday having finished their portion of the release. There comes a point where Apple have to say yes we could carry on developing it but it'll be just as good to release it as it is and fix more bugs later. If Apple followed your reasoning there are always more bugs and they should fix them all. Apple need to make money and keep respected by the industry, it's a compromise and I'm sure Apple know what they're doing.
Reported on these forums?
You mean rumored on these forums, don't you? Besides, it wasn't rumored on these forums. It was rumored on Insider, or Thinksecret, then talked about on these forums.
Just like 10.4 was going to be announced today.
It's now 1:00 p.m. What time are you holding out for?
It seems like some are only here to piss on people who happen to be excited about the upcoming release of tiger.
Guess what haters, we all know that we're dealing with mere rumors. Being completely negative makes you look rude and socially inept rather than enlightened.
Of course Tiger is still buggy. Apple could have waited until they had stomped out more bugs, until it was the quality of the 10.3.8 release, but what then? Then they release it, and there are still a large portion of Mac users who won't touch it until it reaches 10.4.1 or even 10.4.2! By getting it out now, Apple can begin to ratchet up the point updates, which may be nonsense but it is marketing salve for the souls of those Mac users with bug paranoia.
A 10.4.0 release won't even make businesses or designers who depend on their Macs for income take notice. These are not the audience for a new release. Apple understands this and instead of fighting it, they play along, making the point 0 version a beta, so to speak, and developing in public for the rest of Tiger's life.
I'll be installing Tiger on my alternate boot volume, and then waiting a few weeks to get a feel for the internet buzz. But being the computer tool that I am, I just can't wait to check out Tiger's new features! And no, I won't be putting Spotlight through it's paces by searching for porn - as a real Porn Hound, I can sniff out good porn on my own.
But seriously, Mac users don't put smut on their HDs. We're too moral for that!
Well, these discussions can get heated. I've explained my position carefully, and completely. Several times. The only time when I got annoyed was when someone commented about something that simply can't be true.
I don't know where this fellow is coming from. Apparently he feels that the only appropriate comments can be from those who jump up and down clapping their little hands together crying "Yea, It's here, it's here".
If that's so, please let us know so that we will all act in unison.
Yeah, when 10.3 came out, jumping in full bore was such a great idea! Unless you were stupid enough to turn on encrypting your home folder. Or you stupidly had firewire drives connected to your mac. Why would anyone jump right in with Apple's history of having such brutal bugs on the initial release.
The original poster basically was pointing out a sound strategy. Wait for the idiots, um, I mean the brave, er, 'early adopters' to install the new OS, find all the huge problems that are bound to be in there, and wait for them to be solved. No one's saying "If it ain't perfect, I'm not touching it!". But, you know, if you're going to offer a feature like File Vault, shouldn't you at least try to make sure it doesn't corrupt and destroy ALL your data???
To be fair, it was only some external firewire drives with a particular chipset, not all, but yes, give it a week or two of watching MacFixIt before you stick it on anything mission critical and keep a backup.
Most of the iLife05 apps didn't work very well either until .01 updates, especially if upgrading from iLife04. iPhoto was pretty much unusable and I'm still not convinced v4 wasn't better - Red eye worked for one, external editing was slicker and I seem to be for ever deleting slideshows now.
Whoever was doing that install had signed an NDA months before. This is not the time to be signing on testers. Besides, there is such a thing as "intent". If he intended to sign an NDA, he would have been held to it's restrictions before.
That is presuming they had sight of it months ago - which they didnt. They are not testers as the testing was over. It was GM.
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I don't believe what you are saying, anyway, because no one is allowed to see restricted information until AFTER they have signed. I've signed plenty.
At the time they were doing an install they 'had access to the GM' which was unofficial. Cant say anything further.
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That doesn't mean that whatever you have read elsewhere isn't correct, but five or six sounds a bit much. Three or four would do it.
Well lets just wait until the dust dies down then one of us will have the pleasure of coming back with an 'i told you so' post.
You mean rumored on these forums, don't you? Besides, it wasn't rumored on these forums. It was rumored on Insider, or Thinksecret, then talked about on these forums.
Just like 10.4 was going to be announced today.
It's now 1:00 p.m. What time are you holding out for?
I gave up hope at 9.30AM EST if you must know. I just disagreed that Apple should hold out from releasing Tiger until the WWDC. Since Jobs said first half of 2005 I have always had my eye on April (wrongly or not). But Jobs' has always released when ready, I was disappointed when I heard he was going to release when they weren't ready in order to reach an arbitrary date before 64-bit Windows - I just hope it wasn't true.
And yes I am looking forward to Tiger and really can't wait to get the box in my hands and the train home reading the leaflet. This is going to increase my productivity, firstly it has the features mentioned above, but also I've got my PowerBook and then once Tiger is out I wont be posting as much either!
Many of us here have been in the rumor-mongering game for quite a few years now and have guessed correctly and incorrectly quite a few times. (not that that makes us better somehow ) It's a fun game to play after all, examine the evidence and the credibility of rumor sources.
My opinion is that a release this month is still likely. A handful of sources with relatively reliable and recent track-records are reporting that tiger is GM. A number of other developers have also claimed to have seen the GM. Although they may have only seen the build which is rumored to be it.
While AI and TS missed on the announce date, if they're correct about tiger's GM status, then release truly is a few weeks away. I'm expecting a short, fanfare-less press release which simply states that tiger will be released on such and such date allong with perhaps the scheduling of promotional events at retail outlets. This type of announcement will only be made after Apple covers all of it's bases. It needs to finalize printing and distribution details before commiting to a date.
As soon as they nail these things down... blammo! We get the boring press release we've been waiting for and a whole new waiting game begins.
At this point, I would be happy with 10.3.9 update. I need something...My .8 broke my network printing between my wife's pc and my mac. My mac's still go great, but my wife doesn't use a mac.
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Originally posted by Hadrian
Yeah Right.. as if I am gonna come right out and say.. Haven't you heard of NDA's?
Needless to say said person was just finishing off the GM Tiger install onto powerbook... I was told that snippet 15mins before signature was laid on NDA.
Whoever was doing that install had signed an NDA months before. This is not the time to be signing on testers. Besides, there is such a thing as "intent". If he intended to sign an NDA, he would have been held to it's restrictions before.
I don't believe what you are saying, anyway, because no one is allowed to see restricted information until AFTER they have signed. I've signed plenty.
That doesn't mean that whatever you have read elsewhere isn't correct, but five or six sounds a bit much. Three or four would do it.
Originally posted by melgross
They need a break? Most are on holiday? Very funny.
It has been reported on these forums that a large proportion of the Mac OS X team are on holiday having finished their portion of the release. There comes a point where Apple have to say yes we could carry on developing it but it'll be just as good to release it as it is and fix more bugs later. If Apple followed your reasoning there are always more bugs and they should fix them all. Apple need to make money and keep respected by the industry, it's a compromise and I'm sure Apple know what they're doing.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
It has been reported on these forums that a large proportion of the Mac OS X team are on holiday having finished their portion of the release. There comes a point where Apple have to say yes we could carry on developing it but it'll be just as good to release it as it is and fix more bugs later. If Apple followed your reasoning there are always more bugs and they should fix them all. Apple need to make money and keep respected by the industry, it's a compromise and I'm sure Apple know what they're doing.
Reported on these forums?
You mean rumored on these forums, don't you? Besides, it wasn't rumored on these forums. It was rumored on Insider, or Thinksecret, then talked about on these forums.
Just like 10.4 was going to be announced today.
It's now 1:00 p.m. What time are you holding out for?
Guess what haters, we all know that we're dealing with mere rumors. Being completely negative makes you look rude and socially inept rather than enlightened.
I can't wait.
Of course Tiger is still buggy. Apple could have waited until they had stomped out more bugs, until it was the quality of the 10.3.8 release, but what then? Then they release it, and there are still a large portion of Mac users who won't touch it until it reaches 10.4.1 or even 10.4.2! By getting it out now, Apple can begin to ratchet up the point updates, which may be nonsense but it is marketing salve for the souls of those Mac users with bug paranoia.
A 10.4.0 release won't even make businesses or designers who depend on their Macs for income take notice. These are not the audience for a new release. Apple understands this and instead of fighting it, they play along, making the point 0 version a beta, so to speak, and developing in public for the rest of Tiger's life.
I'll be installing Tiger on my alternate boot volume, and then waiting a few weeks to get a feel for the internet buzz. But being the computer tool that I am, I just can't wait to check out Tiger's new features! And no, I won't be putting Spotlight through it's paces by searching for porn - as a real Porn Hound, I can sniff out good porn on my own.
But seriously, Mac users don't put smut on their HDs. We're too moral for that!
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Do you kids need a time out?
Well, these discussions can get heated. I've explained my position carefully, and completely. Several times. The only time when I got annoyed was when someone commented about something that simply can't be true.
I don't know where this fellow is coming from. Apparently he feels that the only appropriate comments can be from those who jump up and down clapping their little hands together crying "Yea, It's here, it's here".
If that's so, please let us know so that we will all act in unison.
we've all been around enough to know that everyone has opinions and such.
no worries.
just go and continue refreshing apple.com
Originally posted by Louzer
Yeah, when 10.3 came out, jumping in full bore was such a great idea! Unless you were stupid enough to turn on encrypting your home folder. Or you stupidly had firewire drives connected to your mac. Why would anyone jump right in with Apple's history of having such brutal bugs on the initial release.
The original poster basically was pointing out a sound strategy. Wait for the idiots, um, I mean the brave, er, 'early adopters' to install the new OS, find all the huge problems that are bound to be in there, and wait for them to be solved. No one's saying "If it ain't perfect, I'm not touching it!". But, you know, if you're going to offer a feature like File Vault, shouldn't you at least try to make sure it doesn't corrupt and destroy ALL your data???
To be fair, it was only some external firewire drives with a particular chipset, not all, but yes, give it a week or two of watching MacFixIt before you stick it on anything mission critical and keep a backup.
Most of the iLife05 apps didn't work very well either until .01 updates, especially if upgrading from iLife04. iPhoto was pretty much unusable and I'm still not convinced v4 wasn't better - Red eye worked for one, external editing was slicker and I seem to be for ever deleting slideshows now.
Originally posted by melgross
Whoever was doing that install had signed an NDA months before. This is not the time to be signing on testers. Besides, there is such a thing as "intent". If he intended to sign an NDA, he would have been held to it's restrictions before.
That is presuming they had sight of it months ago - which they didnt. They are not testers as the testing was over. It was GM.
I don't believe what you are saying, anyway, because no one is allowed to see restricted information until AFTER they have signed. I've signed plenty.
At the time they were doing an install they 'had access to the GM' which was unofficial. Cant say anything further.
That doesn't mean that whatever you have read elsewhere isn't correct, but five or six sounds a bit much. Three or four would do it.
Well lets just wait until the dust dies down then one of us will have the pleasure of coming back with an 'i told you so' post.
Originally posted by Hadrian
That is presuming they had sight of it months ago - which they didnt. They are not testers as the testing was over. It was GM.
At the time they were doing an install they 'had access to the GM' which was unofficial. Cant say anything further.
Well lets just wait until the dust dies down then one of us will have the pleasure of coming back with an 'i told you so' post.
When I test for Adobe, I have acess to the GM. but I've signed the NDA.
Apple is very strict about NDA's. They wouldn't give someone access to the GM unless they signed one.
Insofar as the number of disks go. Are you including the iLife disk in the count? And the hardware test disK? They are not really part of the OS.
Originally posted by melgross
Reported on these forums?
You mean rumored on these forums, don't you? Besides, it wasn't rumored on these forums. It was rumored on Insider, or Thinksecret, then talked about on these forums.
Just like 10.4 was going to be announced today.
It's now 1:00 p.m. What time are you holding out for?
I gave up hope at 9.30AM EST if you must know. I just disagreed that Apple should hold out from releasing Tiger until the WWDC. Since Jobs said first half of 2005 I have always had my eye on April (wrongly or not). But Jobs' has always released when ready, I was disappointed when I heard he was going to release when they weren't ready in order to reach an arbitrary date before 64-bit Windows - I just hope it wasn't true.
And yes I am looking forward to Tiger and really can't wait to get the box in my hands and the train home reading the leaflet. This is going to increase my productivity, firstly it has the features mentioned above, but also I've got my PowerBook and then once Tiger is out I wont be posting as much either!
I feel like I am on withdrawl not seeing a Tiger release date today.
Eric
Originally posted by aplnub
Steve should know that us Mac-ites get really pissy being kept in the dark. We get even more pissed with each other after reading all the rumor sites.
I feel like I am on withdrawl not seeing a Tiger release date today.
Eric
same here, I really thought ti would come today. I'm less hopeful about 15th April as well.
Many of us here have been in the rumor-mongering game for quite a few years now and have guessed correctly and incorrectly quite a few times. (not that that makes us better somehow
My opinion is that a release this month is still likely. A handful of sources with relatively reliable and recent track-records are reporting that tiger is GM. A number of other developers have also claimed to have seen the GM. Although they may have only seen the build which is rumored to be it.
While AI and TS missed on the announce date, if they're correct about tiger's GM status, then release truly is a few weeks away. I'm expecting a short, fanfare-less press release which simply states that tiger will be released on such and such date allong with perhaps the scheduling of promotional events at retail outlets. This type of announcement will only be made after Apple covers all of it's bases. It needs to finalize printing and distribution details before commiting to a date.
As soon as they nail these things down... blammo! We get the boring press release we've been waiting for and a whole new waiting game begins.
Eric
Originally posted by BWhaler
(Personal attack deleted - JL)
It is amusing. Of course, most of what he is looking for can be done now in 10.3
That's just 0.01 away from 10.4 after all ( I know I know. Not real decimals)
Am I the only one to believe that they should finish off 10.3 first?