I am underwhelmed by the iTunes 4.8 release. From the point of view of someone who uses a PC, iTunes is great to buy music, stream music to airport express and sync to iPod. For my video files, I use trusty ol' WMP just fine (Ha! I get free full screen video! ). Truth is that I don't need my Jukebox to handle my videos, especially since I don't have any .mov files! I am not sure what Steve has in mind with this release of iTunes, but I guess I just have to go along and have faith that someday soon it will all be revealed and I will slap my hand to my forehead and say "of course...! Its so simple...!"
Syncing in Tiger is a huge step backwards. Previously, there was one place to sync .mac and all devices: iSync. Now we need to go different places for .mac and device synchronization.
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Originally posted by socokid
I don't understand. I'm running iTunes 4.7.1 and I can play video in it just fine. In fact, when I click on a Movie Trailer from the QT 7 launch page on the right hand side, they all play via iTunes.
iTunes 4.7 being able to play video was widely known, so what am I missing?
Thank you both for your voices of sanity. Video is not new in 4.8, that was a feature in the last version. And since when is moving what used to be a single click of a single button to 5 different apps a good thing?!
I don't understand. I'm running iTunes 4.7.1 and I can play video in it just fine. In fact, when I click on a Movie Trailer from the QT 7 launch page on the right hand side, they all play via iTunes.
iTunes 4.7 being able to play video was widely known, so what am I missing?
It seems that just some new video prefs/features and content have been added, possibly why they "curiously failed to mention" it?
Thanks for any info!
You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.
Really cool is that you can create video playlists. One video can play to the next, even if they are different sizes...and of course you can shuffle or repeat.
It's a step in the right direction, but of course I want to be able to buy TV shows online ($1 for a 30 minute show without commercials).
You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.
Really cool is that you can create video playlists. One video can play to the next, even if they are different sizes...and of course you can shuffle or repeat.
It's a step in the right direction, but of course I want to be able to buy TV shows online ($1 for a 30 minute show without commercials).
Correct, it IS a real addition. I wish you luck with the $1 Tv show though. If they sell them (or rent them) it would probably cost more than that.
If iTunes can do it all, then when media appears, iTunes will open up and display what is needed for that media. no problem there. For those of us who are old timers, it's one thing, but for newbies, one app is much easier. It would be for us as well, once we got over our reluctance.
That is a good point. I guess I would have to get over my reluctance to something like this. I did not realize until just now that iTunes was built on the QuickTime framework. Thus, in this case, Apple is just making intended progression with iTunes is appears.
I understand what you are saying, but you wouldn't use your dishwasher to wash clothes nor would you use your washing machine to wash your dishes. It just doesn't work very well. They do the thing that they were designed for very well.
I'd like not to think of iTunes as dirty dishwater, but I understand what you mean. (There are more pleasurable uses for dirty dishwater. ) HOWEVER, Apple's move to let iTunes play video in this fashion is interesting on several fronts, including giving windows media player a more direct run for it's money.
Think about the bajillion number of windows pc owners who already have iTunes installed. Even if there are no true plans to sell video downloads, Apple probably figures that it would be easier to get win pc users accustomed to doing video 'the Apple way' by introducing it through software that they're already comfortable with. Forget about them being procactive in using the Quicktime app, itself.
As someone mentioned above, it's a much better way to organize more than a handful of video clips compared with today's methods and I welcome it.
Darn it. See. they added video clips to iPhoto too.. so which is it Apple? Where do you want me to Organize my files? I like Cellulo.. but want an Apple product.
The advantage to Cellulo and iPhoto are they have thumbnails (and a hint at what is within.. but iTunes??!??!
You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.
Ahh, thanks. The article was very misleading, as QT support wasn't added, just new features, importing, organizing, etc...
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"The new version is capable of not only storing, but also displaying QuickTime video"
It could display QT video previously, so I was confused.
The ad by UBS (a Swiss bank) about downloading music that was linked to a few days ago has been put on numerous billboards this evening in Zurich. I literally saw a guy putting one up.
iTMS Switzerland is certainly going to happen tomorrow.
The only way I see video support fits iTunes is if it is used for music videos and similar music support material. For instance, think iTunes visualizations which use video material for songs where it is available. Video store in iTunes is silly unless they build it into a general purpose media player. No, and it should not.
I think music videos is the logical first step into the iVideo store realm. They are much smaller than a full movies and, as you descirbe, would be an easy next step in terms of the iPod and on screen display.
I don't know if I'm able to upload images (someone let me know how please) but when I plugged in my iPod after adding a few videos to my iTunes library I got this message:
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Some of the songs in the iTunes music library, including the song "*****", were not copied to the iPod "*****" because they cannot be played on this iPod.
"This" iPod? Is a video clip (at least) playing iPod on the cards?
BTW, I know the message says "songs" but the "song" was a video file.
I think they should just expand QuickTime into a full-blown video manager. Either that or rename iTunes and get rid of QuickTime. iSync needs to go back to the way it was. I'm tired of all this crossover and convoluted mess.
iTunes is nothing more than a specialized interface to the underlying QuickTime frameworks.
While I'm not sold on iTunes being my QuickTime movie manager, I've long felt that something from Apple that aids in the organizing, cataloguing and grouping of QuickTime movies was needed. iTunes isn't a perfect solution for this at present, but I'm willing to let it try to be in the future.
iTunes can't play AVI or even all MPEG formats so it's quite limited and an organisational tool would be nice - but i want iTunes to organise my music but I have my own organisation for movies. I think this is for music videos which will be the new features on the iTMS tomorrow (Tuesday is the day they update).
I think they should just expand QuickTime into a full-blown video manager. Either that or rename iTunes and get rid of QuickTime. iSync needs to go back to the way it was. I'm tired of all this crossover and convoluted mess.
I agree i have to sync twice - .Mac and Phone - however if you have .Mac on automatic then you only need to press once - BUT the menu bar icon wont work with iSync only .Mac! If they go to iCal then it'll be awful - you'll have to go to each individual app to sync.
Okay - unless I'm completely dense ... I can't import and play any of my personal QuickTime movies within the new iTunes.
I try using the import function "add to library", choose a clip from my drive, and iTunes crashes. I've tried it with a variety of .MOVs, all of which are MJPG clips produced by my digitial camera (Olympus) - no luck. I also tried some .MPG files, .AVI, and other formats - either iTunes crashes or, in the case of the .MPGs, it goes back to the library and nothing has been added.
OH - and a very weird thing; I opened up System Prefs after this was happening because my scroll arrows in iTunes were suddenly at the bottom instead of top and bottom and I got a message box saying that my settings for Ink and something else had been updated and did I want to use the new settings. WHAAAAAAAA?
Am I missing something? Does it only work with .MP4's or ...?
iPhoto is for personal created stuff , photos and videos I took
iTunes is for commercial stuff, songs and videos others created
I have this right called "fair use". It means I can take some of that stuff others created, edit and mix it and add to it and thus create new stuff.
The division of work you outline smells of copyright moguls. It is almost certain that the app that contained the stuff from others would disallow editing. I do not appreciate that. Video is video, sound is sound, photos are photos. If I have it I want to be able to do stuff with it.
(rhetorical question) Where would you put the music and voice recordings you created?
Darn it. See. they added video clips to iPhoto too.. so which is it Apple? Where do you want me to Organize my files? I like Cellulo.. but want an Apple product.
The advantage to Cellulo and iPhoto are they have thumbnails (and a hint at what is within.. but iTunes??!??!
iTunes gives you a hint. When you click on the movie file, the first frame of the movie is displayed in the artwork pane. Although this IS a problem for videos that begin with black
Hmm, things are certainly getting a little messy on the Apple apps front.
I am quite in favour of adding a feature to iTunes for auto-syncing your contacts when you sync your music, but that is all we need. Leave iSync in place to still do this and everything else.
The movie thing is a bit strange, maybe there are going to sell music videos from iTMS, guess we'll see tomorrow. Or maybe Apple will make an iPod movie after all. Interesting. This update raises a lot of questions, which hopefully will make more sense in a few months time.
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Originally posted by mike3k
Syncing in Tiger is a huge step backwards. Previously, there was one place to sync .mac and all devices: iSync. Now we need to go different places for .mac and device synchronization.
and
Originally posted by socokid
I don't understand. I'm running iTunes 4.7.1 and I can play video in it just fine. In fact, when I click on a Movie Trailer from the QT 7 launch page on the right hand side, they all play via iTunes.
iTunes 4.7 being able to play video was widely known, so what am I missing?
Thank you both for your voices of sanity. Video is not new in 4.8, that was a feature in the last version. And since when is moving what used to be a single click of a single button to 5 different apps a good thing?!
Originally posted by socokid
I don't understand. I'm running iTunes 4.7.1 and I can play video in it just fine. In fact, when I click on a Movie Trailer from the QT 7 launch page on the right hand side, they all play via iTunes.
iTunes 4.7 being able to play video was widely known, so what am I missing?
It seems that just some new video prefs/features and content have been added, possibly why they "curiously failed to mention" it?
Thanks for any info!
You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.
Really cool is that you can create video playlists. One video can play to the next, even if they are different sizes...and of course you can shuffle or repeat.
It's a step in the right direction, but of course I want to be able to buy TV shows online ($1 for a 30 minute show without commercials).
Originally posted by macslut
You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.
Really cool is that you can create video playlists. One video can play to the next, even if they are different sizes...and of course you can shuffle or repeat.
It's a step in the right direction, but of course I want to be able to buy TV shows online ($1 for a 30 minute show without commercials).
Correct, it IS a real addition. I wish you luck with the $1 Tv show though. If they sell them (or rent them) it would probably cost more than that.
Originally posted by melgross
If iTunes can do it all, then when media appears, iTunes will open up and display what is needed for that media. no problem there. For those of us who are old timers, it's one thing, but for newbies, one app is much easier. It would be for us as well, once we got over our reluctance.
That is a good point. I guess I would have to get over my reluctance to something like this. I did not realize until just now that iTunes was built on the QuickTime framework. Thus, in this case, Apple is just making intended progression with iTunes is appears.
Originally posted by kwsanders
I understand what you are saying, but you wouldn't use your dishwasher to wash clothes nor would you use your washing machine to wash your dishes. It just doesn't work very well. They do the thing that they were designed for very well.
I'd like not to think of iTunes as dirty dishwater, but I understand what you mean. (There are more pleasurable uses for dirty dishwater.
Think about the bajillion number of windows pc owners who already have iTunes installed. Even if there are no true plans to sell video downloads, Apple probably figures that it would be easier to get win pc users accustomed to doing video 'the Apple way' by introducing it through software that they're already comfortable with. Forget about them being procactive in using the Quicktime app, itself.
As someone mentioned above, it's a much better way to organize more than a handful of video clips compared with today's methods and I welcome it.
The advantage to Cellulo and iPhoto are they have thumbnails (and a hint at what is within.. but iTunes??!??!
You can now import video and play it from within iTunes. This is great for people who have large collections of video content...perhaps more so for music video content, but it makes sense for TV content or home video as well. You can use the info fields to search and organize your content.
Ahh, thanks. The article was very misleading, as QT support wasn't added, just new features, importing, organizing, etc...
"The new version is capable of not only storing, but also displaying QuickTime video"
It could display QT video previously, so I was confused.
Thanks again!
iTMS Switzerland is certainly going to happen tomorrow.
Click on the links.
They don't work.
Nice going guys.
Click on What's New in iTunes?
The textfield resets itself for a Question.
I want to say, "What's New in iTunes?"
Is anyone else noticing the lack of Help documents?
Originally posted by Gon
The only way I see video support fits iTunes is if it is used for music videos and similar music support material. For instance, think iTunes visualizations which use video material for songs where it is available. Video store in iTunes is silly unless they build it into a general purpose media player. No, and it should not.
I think music videos is the logical first step into the iVideo store realm. They are much smaller than a full movies and, as you descirbe, would be an easy next step in terms of the iPod and on screen display.
iTunes is for commercial stuff, songs and videos others created
I don't know if I'm able to upload images (someone let me know how please) but when I plugged in my iPod after adding a few videos to my iTunes library I got this message:
Some of the songs in the iTunes music library, including the song "*****", were not copied to the iPod "*****" because they cannot be played on this iPod.
"This" iPod? Is a video clip (at least) playing iPod on the cards?
BTW, I know the message says "songs" but the "song" was a video file.
Originally posted by Fireball1244
iTunes is nothing more than a specialized interface to the underlying QuickTime frameworks.
While I'm not sold on iTunes being my QuickTime movie manager, I've long felt that something from Apple that aids in the organizing, cataloguing and grouping of QuickTime movies was needed. iTunes isn't a perfect solution for this at present, but I'm willing to let it try to be in the future.
iTunes can't play AVI or even all MPEG formats so it's quite limited and an organisational tool would be nice - but i want iTunes to organise my music but I have my own organisation for movies. I think this is for music videos which will be the new features on the iTMS tomorrow (Tuesday is the day they update).
Originally posted by JonE
I think they should just expand QuickTime into a full-blown video manager. Either that or rename iTunes and get rid of QuickTime. iSync needs to go back to the way it was. I'm tired of all this crossover and convoluted mess.
I agree i have to sync twice - .Mac and Phone - however if you have .Mac on automatic then you only need to press once - BUT the menu bar icon wont work with iSync only .Mac! If they go to iCal then it'll be awful - you'll have to go to each individual app to sync.
I try using the import function "add to library", choose a clip from my drive, and iTunes crashes. I've tried it with a variety of .MOVs, all of which are MJPG clips produced by my digitial camera (Olympus) - no luck. I also tried some .MPG files, .AVI, and other formats - either iTunes crashes or, in the case of the .MPGs, it goes back to the library and nothing has been added.
OH - and a very weird thing; I opened up System Prefs after this was happening because my scroll arrows in iTunes were suddenly at the bottom instead of top and bottom and I got a message box saying that my settings for Ink and something else had been updated and did I want to use the new settings. WHAAAAAAAA?
Am I missing something? Does it only work with .MP4's or ...?
-m-
Originally posted by Nebagakid
iPhoto is for personal created stuff , photos and videos I took
iTunes is for commercial stuff, songs and videos others created
I have this right called "fair use". It means I can take some of that stuff others created, edit and mix it and add to it and thus create new stuff.
The division of work you outline smells of copyright moguls. It is almost certain that the app that contained the stuff from others would disallow editing. I do not appreciate that. Video is video, sound is sound, photos are photos. If I have it I want to be able to do stuff with it.
(rhetorical question) Where would you put the music and voice recordings you created?
Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
Darn it. See. they added video clips to iPhoto too.. so which is it Apple? Where do you want me to Organize my files? I like Cellulo.. but want an Apple product.
The advantage to Cellulo and iPhoto are they have thumbnails (and a hint at what is within.. but iTunes??!??!
iTunes gives you a hint. When you click on the movie file, the first frame of the movie is displayed in the artwork pane. Although this IS a problem for videos that begin with black
I am quite in favour of adding a feature to iTunes for auto-syncing your contacts when you sync your music, but that is all we need. Leave iSync in place to still do this and everything else.
The movie thing is a bit strange, maybe there are going to sell music videos from iTMS, guess we'll see tomorrow. Or maybe Apple will make an iPod movie after all. Interesting. This update raises a lot of questions, which hopefully will make more sense in a few months time.