I don't think Steve's loathe of Television can prevent him from seeing that connecting the iTunes experience into other forms of media (video) and spreading the iLife into the living room is a MUST, it's a matter of survival.
Can't we stop the 'Steve hates TV' posts? He never said that - he said the he doesn't think that TV and computers will merge.
He even hinted in an interview a while back that an AirPort Express with video capabilities is a possibility.
This in from Macdailynew.com... sounds interstingly like whats being said here...
RUMOR: Sony and Apple working together on PlayStation 3
Friday, May 13, 2005 - 09:22 PM EST
The moderator of PS3 Forums, "The Unofficial PS3 H.Q." has posted the following:
Apple + Sony = PS3
I am now hearing stronger rumors that Sony is indeed working with Apple on the PS3. Most of this work is based around support for iTunes and iPop on the PS3.
iPod connectivity - Ability to connect the iPod to the PS3 and play it's music through the PS3 to your stereo or other audio playback devices. Will also provide some graphical effects on your TV during playback
iTunes linkup - Access iTunes and your music through the PS3. Purchase and download additiona tracks through the PS3. Wirelessly play iTunes music from your PC/Mac through the PS3
Sync support - Use the PS3 to sync your iPod with iTunes, no need for a PC or Mac to sync and add/remove tracks and organize playlists.
Apple may also be helping Sony with some UI design for the PS3 dashboard interface. No links, and for that I appologize, but I figured people would like to hear this information anyways. If the rumors hold true, this would be mutually benefitical for Sony and Apple in a lot of ways.
Full post and forum discussion here.
And, over at Engadget, Joshua Fruhlinger is reporting that, "Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich thinks Apple and Sony could be working on some big things." Full article here.
Steve Jobs at MacWorld Expo 2005, Tuesday, January 11, 2005, "You know, we do work very closely with Sony on digital still cameras and these new camcorders, which is really great. And who knows, maybe someday, computers and music, too." QuickTime video of Steve Jobs' comment at 57:38.
MacDailyNews Take: This is a rumor. Take it with a grain of salt. It would be very interesting, though, wouldn't it
If they could get approval from MS this might not be a bad idea. Even more appealing if they supported the PS3 when that shipped as well... plus any other Cell-based hardware that STI shipped. I'm dubious about whether MS or Sony would allow Apple to push its technologies into their private little playgrounds.
Take this a few steps further and you have Apple providing a special version of Quicktime to run on the PS3 for all multimedia, and Sonys API for gaming. All PS3 owners can play DVDs like they can now, and down load music videos and later movies when the time is right. I believe that PS3 will be on the market for three to four years and then another update. So during that time the speed of internet service may make downloading movies a money making possibility.
EDIT: If it is possible to have this special version of Quicktime for PS3 then maybe as an addition Apple could also bundle or make for sale a version of iLife and with hooks to .Mac for special activities. I have friends that are happy to get their computer to be a storage device for names and addresses and give them the ability to e-mail. They never would think about doing anything iLife-ish. Apple could offer many people the ability to do this without needing to feel that they need a degree in electrical engineering to make things work, and Sony could sell PS3s to people that are not in the gaming community or at least add another reason to get a PS3, and eventualy games.
I've been watching movies on the XBOX 360 for the past half an hour, and that thing is going to be M$'s iTunes killer. This thing is the ultimate killer app. We are lucky these guy's (XBOX team) don't start making computers.
The stuff is phenomenal. I highly doubt M$ will let Apple in on the XBOX 360. M$ is going to have a music service connected to it (mark my words) but I'd say it will be their own. This thing is just too incredible to put words to from what I've seen. I think Sony is in for some serious trouble. They have no "live" system in pace, and MS is totally going to bank on this thing. It's all about XBOX live. And the whole user experience. This thing will be doing everything in home entertainment that you can imagine and more.
Personally I think Apple should work with Nintendo to develop an OS X/OpenGL friendly environment for "evolution" (Nintendo's next machine) where it would be very easy to port software between Apple computers and Nintendo's console.
This would be a boon to both with Apple gaining access to some great games made by third parties who could easily make titles for both, increasing the reason to create a game for either. And for Nintendo with more developers writing games for their machine and with iPod support Nintendo could gain huge numbers of new users...
Of course the hardware is already here to turn the Mac mini into a DVR and the iMac into an even more convincing buy. I think what we're waiting for is the software, something that Apple Engineers are no doubt trying to get JUST right...
I think the nintendo machine is a joke. I think exclusive developers for nintendo are going to hard to come by for them this time around. Compared to the PS3, and XBOX 360 they don't stand a chance even with Apples help.
I've been watching movies on the XBOX 360 for the past half an hour, and that thing is going to be M$'s iTunes killer. This thing is the ultimate killer app. We are lucky these guy's (XBOX team) don't start making computers. ...
It is a computer, and M$ will control all software that ever appears on it. Apple will not have a chance to put Quicktime or iTunes or anything else on it. The machine will have layers and layers of DRM. Meanwhile, M$ will have a server-hosted Office (or Works) for it, so home users can do word processing and spreadsheets on it.
Down the road, I expect there will be a corporate desktop version too.
It is a computer, and M$ will control all software that ever appears on it. Apple will not have a chance to put Quicktime or iTunes or anything else on it. The machine will have layers and layers of DRM. Meanwhile, M$ will have a server-hosted Office (or Works) for it, so home users can do word processing and spreadsheets on it.
Down the road, I expect there will be a corporate desktop version too.
And that is why Apple and Sony need to work together. Apple and Sony could quickly have the lead here and keep it. MS will come out with games first and slowly integrate in the other things. It will be difficult to have all of these new features and expect everyong to start using them just because they are there. So there is time but not much for Sony, unless the rumors are true and they are working with Apple, then Sony could have the advantage. Apple could provide the great GUI, great apps, and have it all work so well that people may think that the PS3 is an applaince for multimedia, gaming, etc. If Sony includes a hard drive then people could store their photos, work with their movies, make DVDs, ala iLife and Quicktime, Pages would be another great app for the PS3 crowd, iChat is another thing that Apple could license out. The possibilities are endless and Sony would be very eager to make this happen, Apple could effectively quadruple their user base of iApps which would be a great day for Apple and for Sony customers. I think that just about everyone that has tried the iLife suite has said that is worth the cost of a Mac, now bundle in Mail, iChat, Quicktime (of course), and the Apple GUI touch, or maybe a whole stripped down OSX, because of access to Calendar, address book, etc. This could be a great day for Sony customers, if they get introduced to the Mac experience, high tech meets ease of use, coming soon to your livingroom. I wonder how much these companies will work together to make something like this happen, clearly both would be winners. Sony may be able to keep and expand their market, and Apple would gain access to close to 100 million PS3 users. Apple could charge a yearly fee for virtually virus free internet access, as well as all the OSX, iChat, iLife goodness a person could want. I wonder where is too far for Apple? Stripped down, yes but where, and why?
And that is why Apple and Sony need to work together. Apple and Sony could quickly have the lead here and keep it. MS will come out with games first and slowly integrate in the other things. It will be difficult to have all of these new features and expect everyong to start using them just because they are there. So there is time but not much for Sony, unless the rumors are true and they are working with Apple, then Sony could have the advantage. Apple could provide the great GUI, great apps, and have it all work so well that people may think that the PS3 is an applaince for multimedia, gaming, etc. If Sony includes a hard drive then people could store their photos, work with their movies, make DVDs, ala iLife and Quicktime, Pages would be another great app for the PS3 crowd, iChat is another thing that Apple could license out. The possibilities are endless and Sony would be very eager to make this happen, Apple could effectively quadruple their user base of iApps which would be a great day for Apple and for Sony customers. I think that just about everyone that has tried the iLife suite has said that is worth the cost of a Mac, now bundle in Mail, iChat, Quicktime (of course), and the Apple GUI touch, or maybe a whole stripped down OSX, because of access to Calendar, address book, etc. This could be a great day for Sony customers, if they get introduced to the Mac experience, high tech meets ease of use, coming soon to your livingroom. I wonder how much these companies will work together to make something like this happen, clearly both would be winners. Sony may be able to keep and expand their market, and Apple would gain access to close to 100 million PS3 users. Apple could charge a yearly fee for virtually virus free internet access, as well as all the OSX, iChat, iLife goodness a person could want. I wonder where is too far for Apple? Stripped down, yes but where, and why?
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dude, i am thinking along your lines... will somebody at Sony just friggin buy Steve Jobs a new private jet or have some ecstasy-rave orgy party thing** for Sony and Apple to start working together?
1. PS3+iHome =
2. SonyEricsson+iPod =
3. Vaio + OS X on PowerPC'ed Vaio =
4. iPod + network walkman =
okay, some kinks but you gotta say 1. 2. 3. have tremendous f8cking potential.
**urm... don't know where this came from, i might regret writing this later... ah well...
I've been watching movies on the XBOX 360 for the past half an hour, and that thing is going to be M$'s iTunes killer. This thing is the ultimate killer app. We are lucky these guy's (XBOX team) don't start making computers.
The stuff is phenomenal. I highly doubt M$ will let Apple in on the XBOX 360. M$ is going to have a music service connected to it (mark my words) but I'd say it will be their own. This thing is just too incredible to put words to from what I've seen. I think Sony is in for some serious trouble. They have no "live" system in pace, and MS is totally going to bank on this thing. It's all about XBOX live. And the whole user experience. This thing will be doing everything in home entertainment that you can imagine and more.
i will fight microsoft till my dying breath!!! nah just kidding mate, you have got your hands on xbox360 demos and videos? cool... but they are just demos at this stage, no?
but don't leave us hanging, try and put those 'too incredible for words' emotions into words if you can 8)
I don't like the idea of Apple working with Sony either. The PS2 world is hardly more open than the Xbox. How many of you write programs to run on your PlayStation? How many of you will be able to get your word processing files off of it, once you start writing them there?
Sony is just as bad a lock-in artist as Microsoft is, perhaps worse. (ATRAC? UMD?) Apple is in bad company having dealings with either of them... but, Apple's commitment to openness has often been questioned too.
You are looking at a world in which big corporations will control all of your information and everything you can and cannot do with it - and you will have no recourse, no voice to complain. Consumers are being led right into that world with the carrot of instant music purchases.
iLife on PS3? Office on Xbox 360? Have y'all actually tried doing video editing or word processing with a game controller while sitting on the couch? It doesn't make any sense.
onlooker, you should check out this article on the ps3, at least as far as gaming/3d graphics goes, it looks like the PS3 SMOKES the xbox bigtime, at leasst as far as image quality/rendering goes. the article does go on to say that the Xbox showed more for home entertainment than the ps3, but all the info on the ps3 was not yet revealed. i dont think sony is dead yet, and i'd be surprised if Apple doesnt have a couple tricks up there sleave as well.
I wonder if Apple shipped the ultimate livingroom enhancement, but did not having gaming ability, how well they could do with it? ipod dock built in, DVR, wirelss, ilife, etc. and it was done as well as ipod with software/hardware... could they compete?
First, both the xbox and ps3 are vaporware at this point. Demos have been shown, but not an actual product. As far as the xbox destroying sony, um, yeah whatever. The ps2 kills the xbox in sales and the ps3 can use the ps2 as a secondary unit. In any event, Jobs was wise to get in with movie studios and recording companies. That kind of acceptance was thought unattainable by any computer company.
Now, if Sony were to partner with Apple, would you buy a PS3 because you could download music to it? Probably not, with the sheer number of iPod sales, and the iPod being portable as well. Specific media requires specific devices. This whole thought of "one majikal device that solves the whole media center theory is bunk, if you ask me. We have bought TVs over the years to watch TV, movies, etc. We have bought stereos and CD/DVD players, iPods etc to listen to music on. We have bought computers to do work on. They will, for the forseeable future, remain distinct products.
I will continue to type on my computer, strap on my headphones, and relax on the couch and do my work, listen to my music, and watch a movie on distinct devices. Do I have to? No, but that is how a human functions. I spose the first time buyer of a TV AND stereo AND computer may decide to bite the all-in-one concept, but let's face it, how many of us does that describe?
iLife on PS3? Office on Xbox 360? Have y'all actually tried doing video editing or word processing with a game controller while sitting on the couch? It doesn't make any sense.
Two points: Wireless mouse and keyboard. I was thinking more about iPhoto to iDVD and e-mail and iChat. and Safari, as a start. Quicktime is a given.
Hmmm... Just watched E3 show I downloaded.. XBOX360 looks great I have to say.. Can't wait till it's hacked.. ;-)
Also, when they talked about integrating with your digital media, they specifically said "and we even talk to our competitors equipment" (audience laughter) and a picture of an iPod is shown on screen along with other devices... go figure..
I've been using an modded v1.2 (old) Xbox with Xbox Media Centre software (open source) for over 2 years.. It's great..no, actually its bloody brilliant! :-) It plays ALL (and I mean ALL) video formats AND it connects to iTunes shares from my PC or Mac and plays them via the digital out into my surround system with some of the most beautiful visualisations I have seen!! Oh, and does everything else all these people are talking about except for actually recording TV programs..
This stuff has been around for ages and all the big corporates are only just catching on.. TV industry needs to do the same thing re. bittorrent...
Also try wirelessly streaming video? impossible over 54G if you use encryption.. although I dunno about h.264..
Blah.. I'd love a nice little Mac Mini in the living room, but until some open source or Apple software shows me the way my £120 xbox with free open source software MORE than delivers....Now.
Hmmm... Just watched E3 show I downloaded.. XBOX360 looks great I have to say.. Can't wait till it's hacked.. ;-)
Also, when they talked about integrating with your digital media, they specifically said "and we even talk to our competitors equipment" (audience laughter) and a picture of an iPod is shown on screen along with other devices... go figure..
I've been using an modded v1.2 (old) Xbox with Xbox Media Centre software (open source) for over 2 years.. It's great..no, actually its bloody brilliant! :-) AND it connects to iTunes shares from my PC or Mac and plays them! Oh, and does everything else all these people are talking about except for actually recording TV programs..
This stuff has been around for ages and all the big corporates are only just catching on.. TV industry needs to do the same thing re. bittorrent...
Also try wirelessly streaming video? impossible over 54G if you use encryption.. although I dunno about h.264..
Blah.. I'd love a nice little Mac Mini in the living room, but until some open source or Apple software shows me the way my £120 xbox with free open source software MORE than delivers....Now.
sorry, had to get that off me chest.. :-)
hey thanks for sharing... re: bittorrent: MPAA has gone after TV sites eg BtEFNet
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i am going to admit here that if all goes well in the next few weeks, it will be my first time ever that i have watched an entire season of a very popular american TV series purely free and downloaded from the internet. never imagined it would happen, but it has, and i'm somewhat behind the 8 ball as it were anyway... movie and TV execs are still trying to figure out where it all went wrong with the music industry \
edit: prior to this i bought DVD legal of 24 season 1 and 2. nope; the season i am talking about above is NOT 24... because i still havent watched season 3 of 24 and people are all sharing only season 4...!!1!
hey thanks for sharing... re: bittorrent: MPAA has gone after TV sites eg BtEFNet
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i am going to admit here that if all goes well in the next few weeks, it will be my first time ever that i have watched an entire season of a very popular american TV series purely free and downloaded from the internet. never imagined it would happen, but it has, and i'm somewhat behind the 8 ball as it were anyway... movie and TV execs are still trying to figure out where it all went wrong with the music industry \
edit: prior to this i bought DVD legal of 24 season 1 and 2. nope; the season i am talking about above is NOT 24... because i still havent watched season 3 of 24 and people are all sharing only season 4...!!1!
Indeed Sunilraman! I am a BIG fan of a US show that has not even aired over here yet.. of course when it does, I will watch it again on TV (with Ads) and most likely buy the DVD if available in the UK... (don't even start me on that one!!!)
I would happily pay a reasonable subscription to be able to download all the TV shows I want with no Ads via BitTorrent or similar technology.. As you say these TV companies (mostly owned by huge media groups) are not savvy to what is happening with technology and are running scared with legal threats/etc.. Again they criminalise their audience because they don't know how to serve them. They still thinks its like back in the 50's when/where they can decide what we watch and when we watch it.. kinda like 1984
Seriously though, Channel 4 & BBC (in the UK) are at least looking at this technology as a way to deliver free content AFTER it has aired on TV (Like Channel 4's TopGear program).
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Originally posted by Sport73
I don't think Steve's loathe of Television can prevent him from seeing that connecting the iTunes experience into other forms of media (video) and spreading the iLife into the living room is a MUST, it's a matter of survival.
Can't we stop the 'Steve hates TV' posts? He never said that - he said the he doesn't think that TV and computers will merge.
He even hinted in an interview a while back that an AirPort Express with video capabilities is a possibility.
RUMOR: Sony and Apple working together on PlayStation 3
Friday, May 13, 2005 - 09:22 PM EST
The moderator of PS3 Forums, "The Unofficial PS3 H.Q." has posted the following:
Apple + Sony = PS3
I am now hearing stronger rumors that Sony is indeed working with Apple on the PS3. Most of this work is based around support for iTunes and iPop on the PS3.
iPod connectivity - Ability to connect the iPod to the PS3 and play it's music through the PS3 to your stereo or other audio playback devices. Will also provide some graphical effects on your TV during playback
iTunes linkup - Access iTunes and your music through the PS3. Purchase and download additiona tracks through the PS3. Wirelessly play iTunes music from your PC/Mac through the PS3
Sync support - Use the PS3 to sync your iPod with iTunes, no need for a PC or Mac to sync and add/remove tracks and organize playlists.
Apple may also be helping Sony with some UI design for the PS3 dashboard interface. No links, and for that I appologize, but I figured people would like to hear this information anyways. If the rumors hold true, this would be mutually benefitical for Sony and Apple in a lot of ways.
Full post and forum discussion here.
And, over at Engadget, Joshua Fruhlinger is reporting that, "Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich thinks Apple and Sony could be working on some big things." Full article here.
Steve Jobs at MacWorld Expo 2005, Tuesday, January 11, 2005, "You know, we do work very closely with Sony on digital still cameras and these new camcorders, which is really great. And who knows, maybe someday, computers and music, too." QuickTime video of Steve Jobs' comment at 57:38.
MacDailyNews Take: This is a rumor. Take it with a grain of salt. It would be very interesting, though, wouldn't it
Originally posted by Programmer
If they could get approval from MS this might not be a bad idea. Even more appealing if they supported the PS3 when that shipped as well... plus any other Cell-based hardware that STI shipped. I'm dubious about whether MS or Sony would allow Apple to push its technologies into their private little playgrounds.
Take this a few steps further and you have Apple providing a special version of Quicktime to run on the PS3 for all multimedia, and Sonys API for gaming. All PS3 owners can play DVDs like they can now, and down load music videos and later movies when the time is right. I believe that PS3 will be on the market for three to four years and then another update. So during that time the speed of internet service may make downloading movies a money making possibility.
EDIT: If it is possible to have this special version of Quicktime for PS3 then maybe as an addition Apple could also bundle or make for sale a version of iLife and with hooks to .Mac for special activities. I have friends that are happy to get their computer to be a storage device for names and addresses and give them the ability to e-mail. They never would think about doing anything iLife-ish. Apple could offer many people the ability to do this without needing to feel that they need a degree in electrical engineering to make things work, and Sony could sell PS3s to people that are not in the gaming community or at least add another reason to get a PS3, and eventualy games.
The stuff is phenomenal. I highly doubt M$ will let Apple in on the XBOX 360. M$ is going to have a music service connected to it (mark my words) but I'd say it will be their own. This thing is just too incredible to put words to from what I've seen. I think Sony is in for some serious trouble. They have no "live" system in pace, and MS is totally going to bank on this thing. It's all about XBOX live. And the whole user experience. This thing will be doing everything in home entertainment that you can imagine and more.
This would be a boon to both with Apple gaining access to some great games made by third parties who could easily make titles for both, increasing the reason to create a game for either. And for Nintendo with more developers writing games for their machine and with iPod support Nintendo could gain huge numbers of new users...
Of course the hardware is already here to turn the Mac mini into a DVR and the iMac into an even more convincing buy. I think what we're waiting for is the software, something that Apple Engineers are no doubt trying to get JUST right...
Originally posted by onlooker
I've been watching movies on the XBOX 360 for the past half an hour, and that thing is going to be M$'s iTunes killer. This thing is the ultimate killer app. We are lucky these guy's (XBOX team) don't start making computers. ...
It is a computer, and M$ will control all software that ever appears on it. Apple will not have a chance to put Quicktime or iTunes or anything else on it. The machine will have layers and layers of DRM. Meanwhile, M$ will have a server-hosted Office (or Works) for it, so home users can do word processing and spreadsheets on it.
Down the road, I expect there will be a corporate desktop version too.
Originally posted by cubist
It is a computer, and M$ will control all software that ever appears on it. Apple will not have a chance to put Quicktime or iTunes or anything else on it. The machine will have layers and layers of DRM. Meanwhile, M$ will have a server-hosted Office (or Works) for it, so home users can do word processing and spreadsheets on it.
Down the road, I expect there will be a corporate desktop version too.
And that is why Apple and Sony need to work together. Apple and Sony could quickly have the lead here and keep it. MS will come out with games first and slowly integrate in the other things. It will be difficult to have all of these new features and expect everyong to start using them just because they are there. So there is time but not much for Sony, unless the rumors are true and they are working with Apple, then Sony could have the advantage. Apple could provide the great GUI, great apps, and have it all work so well that people may think that the PS3 is an applaince for multimedia, gaming, etc. If Sony includes a hard drive then people could store their photos, work with their movies, make DVDs, ala iLife and Quicktime, Pages would be another great app for the PS3 crowd, iChat is another thing that Apple could license out. The possibilities are endless and Sony would be very eager to make this happen, Apple could effectively quadruple their user base of iApps which would be a great day for Apple and for Sony customers. I think that just about everyone that has tried the iLife suite has said that is worth the cost of a Mac, now bundle in Mail, iChat, Quicktime (of course), and the Apple GUI touch, or maybe a whole stripped down OSX, because of access to Calendar, address book, etc. This could be a great day for Sony customers, if they get introduced to the Mac experience, high tech meets ease of use, coming soon to your livingroom. I wonder how much these companies will work together to make something like this happen, clearly both would be winners. Sony may be able to keep and expand their market, and Apple would gain access to close to 100 million PS3 users. Apple could charge a yearly fee for virtually virus free internet access, as well as all the OSX, iChat, iLife goodness a person could want. I wonder where is too far for Apple? Stripped down, yes but where, and why?
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Originally posted by Brendon
And that is why Apple and Sony need to work together. Apple and Sony could quickly have the lead here and keep it. MS will come out with games first and slowly integrate in the other things. It will be difficult to have all of these new features and expect everyong to start using them just because they are there. So there is time but not much for Sony, unless the rumors are true and they are working with Apple, then Sony could have the advantage. Apple could provide the great GUI, great apps, and have it all work so well that people may think that the PS3 is an applaince for multimedia, gaming, etc. If Sony includes a hard drive then people could store their photos, work with their movies, make DVDs, ala iLife and Quicktime, Pages would be another great app for the PS3 crowd, iChat is another thing that Apple could license out. The possibilities are endless and Sony would be very eager to make this happen, Apple could effectively quadruple their user base of iApps which would be a great day for Apple and for Sony customers. I think that just about everyone that has tried the iLife suite has said that is worth the cost of a Mac, now bundle in Mail, iChat, Quicktime (of course), and the Apple GUI touch, or maybe a whole stripped down OSX, because of access to Calendar, address book, etc. This could be a great day for Sony customers, if they get introduced to the Mac experience, high tech meets ease of use, coming soon to your livingroom. I wonder how much these companies will work together to make something like this happen, clearly both would be winners. Sony may be able to keep and expand their market, and Apple would gain access to close to 100 million PS3 users. Apple could charge a yearly fee for virtually virus free internet access, as well as all the OSX, iChat, iLife goodness a person could want. I wonder where is too far for Apple? Stripped down, yes but where, and why?
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dude, i am thinking along your lines... will somebody at Sony just friggin buy Steve Jobs a new private jet or have some ecstasy-rave orgy party thing** for Sony and Apple to start working together?
1. PS3+iHome =
2. SonyEricsson+iPod =
3. Vaio + OS X on PowerPC'ed Vaio =
4. iPod + network walkman =
okay, some kinks but you gotta say 1. 2. 3. have tremendous f8cking potential.
**urm... don't know where this came from, i might regret writing this later... ah well...
Originally posted by onlooker
I've been watching movies on the XBOX 360 for the past half an hour, and that thing is going to be M$'s iTunes killer. This thing is the ultimate killer app. We are lucky these guy's (XBOX team) don't start making computers.
The stuff is phenomenal. I highly doubt M$ will let Apple in on the XBOX 360. M$ is going to have a music service connected to it (mark my words) but I'd say it will be their own. This thing is just too incredible to put words to from what I've seen. I think Sony is in for some serious trouble. They have no "live" system in pace, and MS is totally going to bank on this thing. It's all about XBOX live. And the whole user experience. This thing will be doing everything in home entertainment that you can imagine and more.
i will fight microsoft till my dying breath!!! nah just kidding mate, you have got your hands on xbox360 demos and videos? cool... but they are just demos at this stage, no?
but don't leave us hanging, try and put those 'too incredible for words' emotions into words
Sony is just as bad a lock-in artist as Microsoft is, perhaps worse. (ATRAC? UMD?) Apple is in bad company having dealings with either of them... but, Apple's commitment to openness has often been questioned too.
You are looking at a world in which big corporations will control all of your information and everything you can and cannot do with it - and you will have no recourse, no voice to complain. Consumers are being led right into that world with the carrot of instant music purchases.
I wonder if Apple shipped the ultimate livingroom enhancement, but did not having gaming ability, how well they could do with it? ipod dock built in, DVR, wirelss, ilife, etc. and it was done as well as ipod with software/hardware... could they compete?
Now, if Sony were to partner with Apple, would you buy a PS3 because you could download music to it? Probably not, with the sheer number of iPod sales, and the iPod being portable as well. Specific media requires specific devices. This whole thought of "one majikal device that solves the whole media center theory is bunk, if you ask me. We have bought TVs over the years to watch TV, movies, etc. We have bought stereos and CD/DVD players, iPods etc to listen to music on. We have bought computers to do work on. They will, for the forseeable future, remain distinct products.
I will continue to type on my computer, strap on my headphones, and relax on the couch and do my work, listen to my music, and watch a movie on distinct devices. Do I have to? No, but that is how a human functions. I spose the first time buyer of a TV AND stereo AND computer may decide to bite the all-in-one concept, but let's face it, how many of us does that describe?
Originally posted by wmf
iLife on PS3? Office on Xbox 360? Have y'all actually tried doing video editing or word processing with a game controller while sitting on the couch? It doesn't make any sense.
Two points: Wireless mouse and keyboard. I was thinking more about iPhoto to iDVD and e-mail and iChat. and Safari, as a start. Quicktime is a given.
Also, when they talked about integrating with your digital media, they specifically said "and we even talk to our competitors equipment" (audience laughter) and a picture of an iPod is shown on screen along with other devices... go figure..
I've been using an modded v1.2 (old) Xbox with Xbox Media Centre software (open source) for over 2 years.. It's great..no, actually its bloody brilliant! :-) It plays ALL (and I mean ALL) video formats AND it connects to iTunes shares from my PC or Mac and plays them via the digital out into my surround system with some of the most beautiful visualisations I have seen!! Oh, and does everything else all these people are talking about except for actually recording TV programs..
This stuff has been around for ages and all the big corporates are only just catching on.. TV industry needs to do the same thing re. bittorrent...
Also try wirelessly streaming video? impossible over 54G if you use encryption.. although I dunno about h.264..
Blah.. I'd love a nice little Mac Mini in the living room, but until some open source or Apple software shows me the way my £120 xbox with free open source software MORE than delivers....Now.
sorry, had to get that off me chest.. :-)
Originally posted by argonaut
Hmmm... Just watched E3 show I downloaded.. XBOX360 looks great I have to say.. Can't wait till it's hacked.. ;-)
Also, when they talked about integrating with your digital media, they specifically said "and we even talk to our competitors equipment" (audience laughter) and a picture of an iPod is shown on screen along with other devices... go figure..
I've been using an modded v1.2 (old) Xbox with Xbox Media Centre software (open source) for over 2 years.. It's great..no, actually its bloody brilliant! :-) AND it connects to iTunes shares from my PC or Mac and plays them! Oh, and does everything else all these people are talking about except for actually recording TV programs..
This stuff has been around for ages and all the big corporates are only just catching on.. TV industry needs to do the same thing re. bittorrent...
Also try wirelessly streaming video? impossible over 54G if you use encryption.. although I dunno about h.264..
Blah.. I'd love a nice little Mac Mini in the living room, but until some open source or Apple software shows me the way my £120 xbox with free open source software MORE than delivers....Now.
sorry, had to get that off me chest.. :-)
hey thanks for sharing... re: bittorrent: MPAA has gone after TV sites eg BtEFNet
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i am going to admit here that if all goes well in the next few weeks, it will be my first time ever that i have watched an entire season of a very popular american TV series purely free and downloaded from the internet. never imagined it would happen, but it has, and i'm somewhat behind the 8 ball as it were anyway... movie and TV execs are still trying to figure out where it all went wrong with the music industry
edit: prior to this i bought DVD legal of 24 season 1 and 2. nope; the season i am talking about above is NOT 24... because i still havent watched season 3 of 24 and people are all sharing only season 4...!!1!
Originally posted by sunilraman
hey thanks for sharing... re: bittorrent: MPAA has gone after TV sites eg BtEFNet
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i am going to admit here that if all goes well in the next few weeks, it will be my first time ever that i have watched an entire season of a very popular american TV series purely free and downloaded from the internet. never imagined it would happen, but it has, and i'm somewhat behind the 8 ball as it were anyway... movie and TV execs are still trying to figure out where it all went wrong with the music industry
edit: prior to this i bought DVD legal of 24 season 1 and 2. nope; the season i am talking about above is NOT 24... because i still havent watched season 3 of 24 and people are all sharing only season 4...!!1!
Indeed Sunilraman! I am a BIG fan of a US show that has not even aired over here yet.. of course when it does, I will watch it again on TV (with Ads) and most likely buy the DVD if available in the UK... (don't even start me on that one!!!)
I would happily pay a reasonable subscription to be able to download all the TV shows I want with no Ads via BitTorrent or similar technology.. As you say these TV companies (mostly owned by huge media groups) are not savvy to what is happening with technology and are running scared with legal threats/etc.. Again they criminalise their audience because they don't know how to serve them.
Seriously though, Channel 4 & BBC (in the UK) are at least looking at this technology as a way to deliver free content AFTER it has aired on TV (Like Channel 4's TopGear program).
sorry this all got a bit off-topic...
Originally posted by Brendon
Two points: Wireless mouse and keyboard. I was thinking more about iPhoto to iDVD and e-mail and iChat. and Safari, as a start. Quicktime is a given.
Right. And even the lowly PS2 has USB ports that could drive a printer. All the facilities are there...