yup... iMac g5 would be best for 720p (1280x720...) but as initial reports say, iMac g5 doesn't quite playback 720p silky smooth...
Who says that? Take a look in the big table here. The G5 iMac (970FX @ 1.8 GHz, 600 MHz bus) delivers 24fps in 720p movies. If you follow the discussion, you will see that even a 1.6 GHz iMac plays perfectly 720p movies, something that the 1.67 GHz Powerbook just cannot do.
Of course the iMac is incapable to play 1080p content in an acceptable way.
A 60 inch monitor displaying 1080p would be nice. But how many existing 40 inch plus LCD/Plasma screen monitors can display 1920 x 1080? And at what cost over 720p?
Who says that? Take a look in the big table here. The G5 iMac (970FX @ 1.8 GHz, 600 MHz bus) delivers 24fps in 720p movies. If you follow the discussion, you will see that even a 1.6 GHz iMac plays perfectly 720p movies, something that the 1.67 GHz Powerbook just cannot do.
Of course the iMac is incapable to play 1080p content in an acceptable way.
but show me an iMac g5 1.8ghz 17" rev B do the NASA clip at full frame rate, then i will say that iMac can play 720p perfectly...
Well, we will wait a little for that. I expect perfect playback from 2nd generation iMacs because of the 128 MB Radeon. It is of course the +200 MHz that count too.
Windows Media Player Classic. I think I was using latest ffdshow codec pack.
I did not know that WMP can play H.264 video. Are you sure? What exactly movies have you tried?
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Haven't measured. It plays smooth, sound stay synched with video.
If my memory does not tricks me, there is a "Statistics" menu item where you can see fps while the movie plays. It would be interesting to tell us which exactly movies you try, what fps you see and what are your hardware details (processor speed/bus, RAM, graphics processor, VRAM).
I don't know what the deal is, but I just went to the Apple store again and tried the same system. I double checked and made sure I tried the 1920x800 trailer of the fantastic four. And, viola, it played just fine on a dual 2 ghz. It choked a little when I tried to run two high-def movies at the same time, so I'm guessing the last time it was just running a bunch of aps in the background.
I don't know what the deal is, but I just went to the Apple store again and tried the same system. I double checked and made sure I tried the 1920x800 trailer of the fantastic four. And, viola, it played just fine on a dual 2 ghz. It choked a little when I tried to run two high-def movies at the same time, so I'm guessing the last time it was just running a bunch of aps in the background.
It even ran fine on the 1.8 ghz single.
eh? cool so possibly the single 2.0ghz iMac g5 can do 1280x720p full (eg. Nasa clip) at 30fps or 60i smoothly, no?
where are all the iMac g5 revB people? probably having too much fun with their bloody new computers to bother posting benchmark reports to us poor bastards lusting after said iMacs
... do we need more power before it can really become the year of HD?
Yes. The year of HD is just marketing crap. Where are the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drives? Where is the Panasonic P2 camera, or the new JVC camera, for that matter? Why is everyone and his brother at once impressed by the new QuickTime codec and pissed that a lot of hardware struggles to deal with it?
The answer is simple: we're in HD fledgling stage. These are exciting times, no doubt, but the hardware-software combo has not reached anything approaching genuine maturity. The organization I work for just received a new 20" iMac G5 (2 gig of RAM) and we love it, but it's a prosumer machine that will sweat to process and play HD. We're at the entry point.
In two years, with dual core processors in quad PowerMac machines, faster GPUs, more strategic and perhaps more specialized hardware configurations, we can expect a fairly seamless in-out when working with 720p and its larger siblings.
Do any of you remember working with SD digital files on the early iMacs? In my view, we're currently just a step ahead of that era in HD terms.
at least in the US you CAN receive HDTV broadcasting (720p, 1080i) already.
where i'm living right now, the upper echelons and middle-class techno-fans (quite a bit there) are starting to get into 'hdtv-ready' big screens even though it will be at least 2-3 years before (a)hdtv broadcasts and (b)affordable high-def dvds (bluray, etc, etc) even exist in this bloody country
that said though on the TV side if you get a big plasma and pop in a DVD, if the TV has a semi-decent upscaler it ain't too bad 'coz you got a big-ass screen even if the resolution source is sub-hdtv...
HD on the Mac for consumers is all yup, marketing to fuel Mac purchases and generate buzz. HD for prosumers/ pros is very exciting though, particularly since you can burn high-def onto a regular DVD with DVDstudiopro4.
btw i get wet thinking about the Panny P2 with true 720 24p up to 60p
hubba hubba !!
the thought of a sweet lens, panasonic's cinegamma 3ccds capturing 60 progressive frames per second of 1280x720, f8cking** sweet mate..!!
............
**sorry nebagaKid, it's become a hard habit to shake now
amazing article by charlie white, a video guru comparing the new "Box" dualies and Dual Intel Xeon machines with the new 2.7 PM. The new x86 machines beat the PM in some tests but not others, pretty much a draw. the authors conclusion is with all the advantages of the PM, its industrial design that is so far ahead of the others, it's OS, and it being like 1500 bucks CHEAPER, he gives the Mac and the Cinima Display his highest rating, and recomends it over the PC's!!! Wait till IBM really gets there stuff together and gets us that MP chip. We are not doing that badly people, as a matter a fact, we have the best machines on the planet!
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Originally posted by Ompus
Put differently, what good is 1080i/1080p video on an 20" iMac G5? (Just shy at 1680 x 1050).
Probably not much good on an iMac. But would make a difference on a 60" tv.
Originally posted by Ompus
Excuse my ignorance... don't you need a monitor capable of displaying a minimum of 1920 x 1080 pixels if you're going to watch 1080i/1080p video?
Put differently, what good is 1080i/1080p video on an 20" iMac G5? (Just shy at 1680 x 1050).
yup... iMac g5 would be best for 720p (1280x720...) but as initial reports say, iMac g5 doesn't quite playback 720p silky smooth...
Originally posted by sunilraman
yup... iMac g5 would be best for 720p (1280x720...) but as initial reports say, iMac g5 doesn't quite playback 720p silky smooth...
Who says that? Take a look in the big table here. The G5 iMac (970FX @ 1.8 GHz, 600 MHz bus) delivers 24fps in 720p movies. If you follow the discussion, you will see that even a 1.6 GHz iMac plays perfectly 720p movies, something that the 1.67 GHz Powerbook just cannot do.
Of course the iMac is incapable to play 1080p content in an acceptable way.
Originally posted by PB
Who says that? Take a look in the big table here. The G5 iMac (970FX @ 1.8 GHz, 600 MHz bus) delivers 24fps in 720p movies. If you follow the discussion, you will see that even a 1.6 GHz iMac plays perfectly 720p movies, something that the 1.67 GHz Powerbook just cannot do.
Of course the iMac is incapable to play 1080p content in an acceptable way.
klinux (NASA) G5 970FX 1.6 533 MHz GFFX 5200U 64 MB 20+
notice that the NASA clip is full 720p whereas serenity, batman begins, etc, is 1280 x <720pixels because of 2+:1 aspect ratio.
i appreciate the link, that's actually a good roundup of reports and benchmarks, rather than me going off anecdotal evidence on appleInsider.
but show me an iMac g5 1.8ghz 17" rev B do the NASA clip at full frame rate, then i will say that iMac can play 720p perfectly...
Originally posted by sunilraman
but show me an iMac g5 1.8ghz 17" rev B do the NASA clip at full frame rate, then i will say that iMac can play 720p perfectly...
Well, we will wait a little for that. I expect perfect playback from 2nd generation iMacs because of the 128 MB Radeon. It is of course the +200 MHz that count too.
Haven't tried it on a mac yet.
Originally posted by skatman
My 1.1 GHz Pentium M laptop with integrated Intel video card plays HD content encoded in XVID or H.264 perfectly smoothly.
Could you be more precise on that? What resolution tried? And in what player for H.264? How about posting exact fps?
What resolution tried?
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Well, the laptop has a native resolution of 1280X768 so 720p plays natively.
I have played 1080i and 1080p (probably upsampled 1080i) non natively.
And in what player for H.264?
Windows Media Player Classic. I think I was using latest ffdshow codec pack.
How about posting exact fps?
Haven't measured. It plays smooth, sound stay synched with video.
Originally posted by skatman
Windows Media Player Classic. I think I was using latest ffdshow codec pack.
I did not know that WMP can play H.264 video. Are you sure? What exactly movies have you tried?
Haven't measured. It plays smooth, sound stay synched with video.
If my memory does not tricks me, there is a "Statistics" menu item where you can see fps while the movie plays. It would be interesting to tell us which exactly movies you try, what fps you see and what are your hardware details (processor speed/bus, RAM, graphics processor, VRAM).
It even ran fine on the 1.8 ghz single.
Originally posted by Nordstrodamus
I don't know what the deal is, but I just went to the Apple store again and tried the same system. I double checked and made sure I tried the 1920x800 trailer of the fantastic four. And, viola, it played just fine on a dual 2 ghz. It choked a little when I tried to run two high-def movies at the same time, so I'm guessing the last time it was just running a bunch of aps in the background.
It even ran fine on the 1.8 ghz single.
eh? cool
where are all the iMac g5 revB people?
originally posted by Nordstrodamus:
... do we need more power before it can really become the year of HD?
Yes. The year of HD is just marketing crap. Where are the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drives? Where is the Panasonic P2 camera, or the new JVC camera, for that matter? Why is everyone and his brother at once impressed by the new QuickTime codec and pissed that a lot of hardware struggles to deal with it?
The answer is simple: we're in HD fledgling stage. These are exciting times, no doubt, but the hardware-software combo has not reached anything approaching genuine maturity. The organization I work for just received a new 20" iMac G5 (2 gig of RAM) and we love it, but it's a prosumer machine that will sweat to process and play HD. We're at the entry point.
In two years, with dual core processors in quad PowerMac machines, faster GPUs, more strategic and perhaps more specialized hardware configurations, we can expect a fairly seamless in-out when working with 720p and its larger siblings.
Do any of you remember working with SD digital files on the early iMacs? In my view, we're currently just a step ahead of that era in HD terms.
Originally posted by Sybaritic
Yes. The year of HD is just marketing crap.....
at least in the US you CAN receive HDTV broadcasting (720p, 1080i) already.
where i'm living right now, the upper echelons and middle-class techno-fans (quite a bit there) are starting to get into 'hdtv-ready' big screens even though it will be at least 2-3 years before (a)hdtv broadcasts and (b)affordable high-def dvds (bluray, etc, etc) even exist in this bloody country
that said though on the TV side if you get a big plasma and pop in a DVD, if the TV has a semi-decent upscaler it ain't too bad 'coz you got a big-ass screen even if the resolution source is sub-hdtv...
HD on the Mac for consumers is all yup, marketing to fuel Mac purchases and generate buzz. HD for prosumers/ pros is very exciting though, particularly since you can burn high-def onto a regular DVD with DVDstudiopro4.
btw i get wet
hubba hubba !!
the thought of a sweet lens, panasonic's cinegamma 3ccds capturing 60 progressive frames per second of 1280x720, f8cking** sweet mate..!!
............
**sorry nebagaKid, it's become a hard habit to shake now
Originally posted by PB
I did not know that WMP can play H.264 video. Are you sure? What exactly movies have you tried?
It's not Windows Media Player Classic, it's just Media Player Classic.
The official site is located Here
You can do some editing now but how the hell are you going to burn an HD movie onto a 4.7gig disk!
I'm already amassing a vast collection of DVD's. HD, Blu-ray, I don't care, just get it here quick.
Set Top Box manufacturers I'm talking to will have the wares ready for september/october here in Europe at least
They will be about 200euros to buy (250usd approx)
And thats with a satellite receiver model... the IPTV model costs 100usd or even less.
You should check out technotrend.de and Pace
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Also, Sony will be using the CELL processor in its TFT/Plasma displays to decode 1080P directly...
I'd wait at LEAST until end of year before buying anything HD... at least in Europe
here in Europe we're going to start directly with H.264 broadcast for HD instead of MPEG2.
Originally posted by womblingfree
As soon as the consumer macs are HD ready I'm in.
You can do some editing now but how the hell are you going to burn an HD movie onto a 4.7gig disk!
I'm already amassing a vast collection of DVD's. HD, Blu-ray, I don't care, just get it here quick.
well, stop buying DVD's right now. they're outdated 8)
awesome.
"here in Europe we're going to start directly with H.264 broadcast for HD instead of MPEG2"
even more awesome.
good stuff mate
http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/a...e.jsp?id=32620