Altivec will get the intel treatment - that's all. You'll just put a check in the box, that says "do you want your Altivec vector optimazations ported to intel arcitecture?"
I wouldn't worry about it. It's about a year away.
But why would pro tools drop OS X? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Personally, I'm glad this will kill Classic. I never cared for it, even in it's heyday. But throwing Altivec out the window is really going to hurt. It is, honestly, pretty ugly for pro creative users.
Any application (probably not pro-tools) that was created by Apple is already ready for intel. That was a requirement placed on all apps developed within the company, they must run on Intel as well.
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Originally posted by Thereubster
I was think principly of digital Audio, you can assume that Logic will be ready (v.8 probably) but the others? Pro-tools in particular will be hard hit by this, I'd be willing to bet they even drop OSX support altogether......
Here's some XBench benchmarks on the 3.6GHz Pentium versus a dual 2.7GHz G5. Keep in mind the scores of the P4 are low because it's not a native version of XBench, but running through Rosetta (note the low altivec scores). The score is in the ballpark of a G3 iBook which is not bad for the apps we're talking about.
Out of curiosity, what, important or "niche" apps (other than Fontographer), is only a classic app and hasn't been ported? (And there is a new font creation tool out there).
FrameMaker. It will be the only thing that keeps me on a PPC so I can run classic.
But as Adobe have dropped the mac from the last round of Frame support, and gone PC only, maybe they will revive it for the Intel macs. Oh please dear Go may that come to light
FontLab is the latest and greatest font creation tool out there, runs on Windows or OSX. As it happens the developers of FontLab have just acquired the rights to Fontographer...
Question: Jobs opened Word and Excel using Rosetta, which, given the constraints listed above, makes sense. But he also opened Photoshop, which presumably uses Altivec. Why did Photoshop run?
Question: Jobs opened Word and Excel using Rosetta, which, given the constraints listed above, makes sense. But he also opened Photoshop, which presumably uses Altivec. Why did Photoshop run?
Question: Jobs opened Word and Excel using Rosetta, which, given the constraints listed above, makes sense. But he also opened Photoshop, which presumably uses Altivec. Why did Photoshop run?
Is there any solid evidence that Classic will be dropped? Anyone have a link to anything other than speculation?
I think it would be very dumb to drop classic. Apple has a solid track record of supporting the old stuff, Obviously, when I say "Classic" I realize that they would have to use a full blown emulator this time instead of the funky processor sharing scheme Classic uses on a PPC, but so what? Even an emulator would be pretty lightweight in terms of current memory and processor usage.
Weren't there OS 9 emulators for Linux available years ago? Sheepshaver I think it was called.
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We still use a bunch of OS9 apps in biomedical sciences. We are slow o change and I guess we'll be using our old machines for some time to come.
Originally posted by - J B 7 2 -
But throwing Altivec out the window is really going to hurt. It is, honestly, pretty ugly for pro creative users.
Altivec will soon be updated...no worry
I wouldn't worry about it. It's about a year away.
But why would pro tools drop OS X? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Originally posted by - J B 7 2 -
Personally, I'm glad this will kill Classic. I never cared for it, even in it's heyday. But throwing Altivec out the window is really going to hurt. It is, honestly, pretty ugly for pro creative users.
Classic had a heyday? I must have missed that.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Dark Castle!
No, wait...
Um...
Oh! Fool's Errand!
I could never complete Fools Errand. Drove me fooking nuts.
(Looks at IIci in the corner)
Double
Another task to add to my upcoming holiday. Must ressurect IIci, find a website walkthrough, claim glory!!!!!
Originally posted by Omega
I could never complete Fools Errand. Drove me fooking nuts.
Really? I found it to be an enjoyable weekend.
Originally posted by Thereubster
I was think principly of digital Audio, you can assume that Logic will be ready (v.8 probably) but the others? Pro-tools in particular will be hard hit by this, I'd be willing to bet they even drop OSX support altogether......
Originally posted by Kickaha
Really? I found it to be an enjoyable weekend.
Don't make me open a can of whip-arse, boy!
You will tell me how to complete it? Right?
Here's some XBench benchmarks on the 3.6GHz Pentium versus a dual 2.7GHz G5. Keep in mind the scores of the P4 are low because it's not a native version of XBench, but running through Rosetta (note the low altivec scores). The score is in the ballpark of a G3 iBook which is not bad for the apps we're talking about.
Originally posted by Omega
Don't make me open a can of whip-arse, boy!
You will tell me how to complete it? Right?
I suppose saying that Myst was another enjoyable <48hrs would be pushing it??
Originally posted by Mandricard
Out of curiosity, what, important or "niche" apps (other than Fontographer), is only a classic app and hasn't been ported? (And there is a new font creation tool out there).
FrameMaker. It will be the only thing that keeps me on a PPC so I can run classic.
But as Adobe have dropped the mac from the last round of Frame support, and gone PC only, maybe they will revive it for the Intel macs. Oh please dear Go may that come to light
FontLab is the latest and greatest font creation tool out there, runs on Windows or OSX. As it happens the developers of FontLab have just acquired the rights to Fontographer...
lots of old old games (classics) won't run anymore
also, I have some pro apps (Pagemaker etc) that I use to open old old files, etc...
And I dont want to shell out to Adobe and EXTRA few hundred $ for some "plug ins" to open these things... grrrr...
Originally posted by BRussell
Question: Jobs opened Word and Excel using Rosetta, which, given the constraints listed above, makes sense. But he also opened Photoshop, which presumably uses Altivec. Why did Photoshop run?
Because it runs on a G3.
Originally posted by BRussell
Question: Jobs opened Word and Excel using Rosetta, which, given the constraints listed above, makes sense. But he also opened Photoshop, which presumably uses Altivec. Why did Photoshop run?
Photoshop uses AltiVec but doesn't require it.
Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
So is this the end of OS9 running on OSX?
We still use a bunch of OS9 apps in biomedical sciences. We are slow o change and I guess we'll be using our old machines for some time to come.
We'll...this dosn't mean classic is officialy dead...they could still use the classic emulator...but my guess is with Leopard, 10.5...it WILL die.
I think it would be very dumb to drop classic. Apple has a solid track record of supporting the old stuff, Obviously, when I say "Classic" I realize that they would have to use a full blown emulator this time instead of the funky processor sharing scheme Classic uses on a PPC, but so what? Even an emulator would be pretty lightweight in terms of current memory and processor usage.
Weren't there OS 9 emulators for Linux available years ago? Sheepshaver I think it was called.