IMHO if you are accustomed to using a 21" 4:3 CRT, then go for the 23"er. The 23"er is effectively a 21" CRT made widescreen. If you go for the 20"er, you will notice that it is cramped in comparison to a 21" CRT - it's similar to chopping of the bottom quarter of the screen.
As chance would have it, I have both a 20" and a 23" sitting on my desk at the moment. I originally the 20" and as soon as I took it out the box I thought that it looked tiny.
Both screens offer fantastic picture quality and it's been a few years since I've seen an Apple branded LCD with a dead/stuck pixel.
Fantastic. Any quality difference between the panels on the two?
I´m used to an 12 inch iBook and a 19 inch 4:3 LCD at work...
Thanks for all the input so far. Please keep it up
Anyone having used both the 20 and the 23 Apple displays? ANy input regarding panel quality?
I have a 23" and bought for my assistant a 20". It's clear to me that I'd be happy with the 20" for myself, and I would just stick with a 20" were I to do this over again.
That said, I haven't really seen much difference in the quality of the two screens. Perhaps the 20" is a tad brighter...hard to say.
Or if you are running an online course in Blackboard, you can have all those silly docs open and the Blackboard site visitble on the other monitor.
that is a great point I would kill for dual 20's to do just this..I have dual 20s at work (for video and desktop publishing) and it kicks ass on blackboard (our dept also handles blackboard Q&A and support)
I also feel better now that I know that I am not the only one who has like 3 word docs, two web browsers (1 for campus email), Preview with a PDF and iTunes open at the same time to get my homework done
I'll tell you one difference I have noticed, though!
Whilst the 20"er runs cool, the 23"er gets REALLY hot!
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My dell 24" is not hot at all.
Also, I went to the apple store and looked at the 23". It is true that the Apple monitor's aluminum enclosure is nicer looking, but I like the Dell's picture quality better.
I have the 23" ACD and it certainly does NOT get very hot. I guess you just have to compare it to something first. I keep the screen at around half-brightness, just because it's so bright compared to my working space at home.
I got this display for Christmas and it hasn't been off except for system reboots in nearly seven months.
It has one stuck pixel in the upper left area of the screen, but it's not in a critical area, and I'm sure it's well within Apple's quality specification. I have to move a solid window around to find it, since I have changing iPhoto pictures in the background of the Desktop.
It DID come with a slightly pinkish hue when I received it, but after tweaking the Colors in the Displays Preference Pane it's now fine.
Hope that helps. And yes, I do have a 20" version at work, and it's just as nice, just smaller. The 23" seems HUGE compared to the 15" LCD it replaced.
I'd either purchase two 20" widescreens or one 23" widescreen. However, if you do not have the power to run those 20" fluently, I'd spring for one big 23".
The two minitor real estate is lovely, but it was a pain on my Sawtooth/9800 Pro
As far as I can see, Anders still hasn't answered what kind of use this equipment is going to see. However, I question the plan.
Why get a mini for a server when the Powermac can accommodate huge hard drives and is the better machine all around? If you get a dualie, the price difference should be about what the mini costs, and the added power will far surpass the power drain from light server activity.
Why get a Powerbook when you already have an iBook? (Is it an older model perhaps?) Current 12" iBook is very competetive with the 12" Powerbook. Do you really need it enough on the go that it has to have larger screen?
In any case I think it's a good idea to get the Powermac first and laptop later, like you are thinking now. Wait for Intel laptops if you can.
The 23" ACD which I saw at the store before I ordered my 24" Dell had a green hue instead of the infamous pink. Horrible. The 20" ACD next to it was fine. I'm not sure how I would like living with the 20" now that I'm used to the 24".. anyway what you spend on a display is never wasted IMO.
I recommend either 20", dual 20", or 24". Note that if the 20":s are not Apple, you can pivot one or both to get positively huge space for text content.
I have the 23" ACD and it certainly does NOT get very hot. I guess you just have to compare it to something first. I keep the screen at around half-brightness, just because it's so bright compared to my working space at home.
I initially set my 24" Dell at half brightness, but now I have it set at 0%.. it doesn't go to dark as I thought. At 0% it is still a tad brighter than the 12" iBook at 100%
Personally I dig the FireWire ports on the Apple displays, along with the other features. Dell's "cable management solution", ie clutter, is horrendous. Dell's pedestal is crap too.
If you're cheap or these things don't bother you, then the Dell may be the way to go. But personally, I wouldn't not buy an Apple display at this point in my life.
I recently got a 20" Dell display at work and while the flat panel itself is of decent quality, I can certainly tell the difference when compared to the Apple display. The number of cables sooting out the back and dangling down the back of my desk is horrendous. I thought it was funny that the basic power cable plugged right in to the back of the display. Sure, if budget is your prime concern, the Dell display might be for you, but if you care about anything else the Apple display is the way to go.
I initially set my 24" Dell at half brightness, but now I have it set at 0%.. it doesn't go to dark as I thought. At 0% it is still a tad brighter than the 12" iBook at 100%
Oh - I thought that he meant physically hot (temparature of the box), not visually hot (color temparature).
My personal concern would be potential HD use, the 23" will natively display 1080p, the 20" ones will not without a little downscaling. You do get more screen real estate with two 20" units though.
Currently, I am running a dual 2.5 G5 with two displays, one 21" flat CRT and one 17" LCD as a "slave" screen. The CRT will display 1080p beautifly, just not as large of a picture as the 23" LCD would. I plan to buy a 23" after the next price drop, or two price drops from now.
Oh - I thought that he meant physically hot (temparature of the box), not visually hot (color temparature).
Physically hot is how I understood it as well. The 23" ACD gets hot because there is no ventilation. The upside is no dust gets in. The Dell 2405fpw is not hot like that because the warm air gets out via cooling slits. However, you can't avoid warmth when you're generating lots of light. Turn this up to 100% brightness, or even 50%, you feel warmth radiating out when you put a hand a cm or two away.
Even at 0% brightness, when you put a hand on the cooling slits, the air is warm.
Sure, if budget is your prime concern, the Dell display might be for you, but if you care about anything else the Apple display is the way to go.
Not accurate. Price is just icing on the cake. In the 23"-24" class Dell has a better panel and so better image quality, 2 more axis of adjustment, VGA, SVHS, component, composite inputs, pivot functionality, memory card reader, 2 years more warranty, 1" more size and a clear price win. Apple has better looks and a firewire hub.
In the 20" class both use the same panels, the fight is tighter and Apple is pretty competetive.
Not accurate. Price is just icing on the cake. In the 23"-24" class Dell has a better panel and so better image quality, 2 more axis of adjustment, VGA, SVHS, component, composite inputs, pivot functionality, memory card reader, 2 years more warranty, 1" more size and a clear price win. Apple has better looks and a firewire hub.
In the 20" class both use the same panels, the fight is tighter and Apple is pretty competetive.
I 2nd this opinion. In every race except "how good does the chassis look", the Dell wins. And the Dell still looks pretty good as monitors go.
I would trade it for the 30" Apple, of course, but I don't think that I would take a free trade for the 23" apple if it was offered to me.
In the 23"-24" class Dell has a better panel and so better image quality, 2 more axis of adjustment, VGA, SVHS, component, composite inputs, pivot functionality, memory card reader, 2 years more warranty, 1" more size and a clear price win.
Right. This is a solid feature set that justifies the price difference here in Europe:
that is a great point I would kill for dual 20's to do just this..I have dual 20s at work (for video and desktop publishing) and it kicks ass on blackboard (our dept also handles blackboard Q&A and support)
I also feel better now that I know that I am not the only one who has like 3 word docs, two web browsers (1 for campus email), Preview with a PDF and iTunes open at the same time to get my homework done
Ah, the brother/sisterhood of academic mac users (in my case in a PC-dominated environment). For me the key really has always been use of Japanese language fonts, but in the world of Blackboard and WebTycho "aided" instruction, multiple windows are absolutely essential.
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Originally posted by Messiah
IMHO if you are accustomed to using a 21" 4:3 CRT, then go for the 23"er. The 23"er is effectively a 21" CRT made widescreen. If you go for the 20"er, you will notice that it is cramped in comparison to a 21" CRT - it's similar to chopping of the bottom quarter of the screen.
As chance would have it, I have both a 20" and a 23" sitting on my desk at the moment. I originally the 20" and as soon as I took it out the box I thought that it looked tiny.
Both screens offer fantastic picture quality and it's been a few years since I've seen an Apple branded LCD with a dead/stuck pixel.
Fantastic. Any quality difference between the panels on the two?
I´m used to an 12 inch iBook and a 19 inch 4:3 LCD at work...
To my eyes, both displays offer identical picture quality. I can't fault the quality of either display.
I think you'll be delighted with either display!
Originally posted by Anders
Thanks for all the input so far. Please keep it up
Anyone having used both the 20 and the 23 Apple displays? ANy input regarding panel quality?
I have a 23" and bought for my assistant a 20". It's clear to me that I'd be happy with the 20" for myself, and I would just stick with a 20" were I to do this over again.
That said, I haven't really seen much difference in the quality of the two screens. Perhaps the 20" is a tad brighter...hard to say.
Go 20".
Whilst the 20"er runs cool, the 23"er gets REALLY hot!
Originally posted by Cubit
Or if you are running an online course in Blackboard, you can have all those silly docs open and the Blackboard site visitble on the other monitor.
that is a great point I would kill for dual 20's to do just this..I have dual 20s at work (for video and desktop publishing) and it kicks ass on blackboard (our dept also handles blackboard Q&A and support)
I also feel better now that I know that I am not the only one who has like 3 word docs, two web browsers (1 for campus email), Preview with a PDF and iTunes open at the same time to get my homework done
Originally posted by Messiah
I'll tell you one difference I have noticed, though!
Whilst the 20"er runs cool, the 23"er gets REALLY hot!
My dell 24" is not hot at all.
Also, I went to the apple store and looked at the 23". It is true that the Apple monitor's aluminum enclosure is nicer looking, but I like the Dell's picture quality better.
I got this display for Christmas and it hasn't been off except for system reboots in nearly seven months.
It has one stuck pixel in the upper left area of the screen, but it's not in a critical area, and I'm sure it's well within Apple's quality specification. I have to move a solid window around to find it, since I have changing iPhoto pictures in the background of the Desktop.
It DID come with a slightly pinkish hue when I received it, but after tweaking the Colors in the Displays Preference Pane it's now fine.
Hope that helps. And yes, I do have a 20" version at work, and it's just as nice, just smaller. The 23" seems HUGE compared to the 15" LCD it replaced.
The two minitor real estate is lovely, but it was a pain on my Sawtooth/9800 Pro
This G5 is another story
Why get a mini for a server when the Powermac can accommodate huge hard drives and is the better machine all around? If you get a dualie, the price difference should be about what the mini costs, and the added power will far surpass the power drain from light server activity.
Why get a Powerbook when you already have an iBook? (Is it an older model perhaps?) Current 12" iBook is very competetive with the 12" Powerbook. Do you really need it enough on the go that it has to have larger screen?
In any case I think it's a good idea to get the Powermac first and laptop later, like you are thinking now. Wait for Intel laptops if you can.
The 23" ACD which I saw at the store before I ordered my 24" Dell had a green hue instead of the infamous pink. Horrible. The 20" ACD next to it was fine. I'm not sure how I would like living with the 20" now that I'm used to the 24".. anyway what you spend on a display is never wasted IMO.
I recommend either 20", dual 20", or 24". Note that if the 20":s are not Apple, you can pivot one or both to get positively huge space for text content.
Originally posted by Dave Marsh
I have the 23" ACD and it certainly does NOT get very hot. I guess you just have to compare it to something first. I keep the screen at around half-brightness, just because it's so bright compared to my working space at home.
I initially set my 24" Dell at half brightness, but now I have it set at 0%.. it doesn't go to dark as I thought. At 0% it is still a tad brighter than the 12" iBook at 100%
Originally posted by Xool
Personally I dig the FireWire ports on the Apple displays, along with the other features. Dell's "cable management solution", ie clutter, is horrendous. Dell's pedestal is crap too.
If you're cheap or these things don't bother you, then the Dell may be the way to go. But personally, I wouldn't not buy an Apple display at this point in my life.
I recently got a 20" Dell display at work and while the flat panel itself is of decent quality, I can certainly tell the difference when compared to the Apple display. The number of cables sooting out the back and dangling down the back of my desk is horrendous. I thought it was funny that the basic power cable plugged right in to the back of the display. Sure, if budget is your prime concern, the Dell display might be for you, but if you care about anything else the Apple display is the way to go.
Still wish my ADC 20" was an aluminum model.
Originally posted by Gon
I initially set my 24" Dell at half brightness, but now I have it set at 0%.. it doesn't go to dark as I thought. At 0% it is still a tad brighter than the 12" iBook at 100%
Oh - I thought that he meant physically hot (temparature of the box), not visually hot (color temparature).
Currently, I am running a dual 2.5 G5 with two displays, one 21" flat CRT and one 17" LCD as a "slave" screen. The CRT will display 1080p beautifly, just not as large of a picture as the 23" LCD would. I plan to buy a 23" after the next price drop, or two price drops from now.
Originally posted by e1618978
Oh - I thought that he meant physically hot (temparature of the box), not visually hot (color temparature).
Physically hot is how I understood it as well. The 23" ACD gets hot because there is no ventilation. The upside is no dust gets in. The Dell 2405fpw is not hot like that because the warm air gets out via cooling slits. However, you can't avoid warmth when you're generating lots of light. Turn this up to 100% brightness, or even 50%, you feel warmth radiating out when you put a hand a cm or two away.
Even at 0% brightness, when you put a hand on the cooling slits, the air is warm.
Originally posted by Xool
Sure, if budget is your prime concern, the Dell display might be for you, but if you care about anything else the Apple display is the way to go.
Not accurate. Price is just icing on the cake. In the 23"-24" class Dell has a better panel and so better image quality, 2 more axis of adjustment, VGA, SVHS, component, composite inputs, pivot functionality, memory card reader, 2 years more warranty, 1" more size and a clear price win. Apple has better looks and a firewire hub.
In the 20" class both use the same panels, the fight is tighter and Apple is pretty competetive.
Originally posted by Gon
Not accurate. Price is just icing on the cake. In the 23"-24" class Dell has a better panel and so better image quality, 2 more axis of adjustment, VGA, SVHS, component, composite inputs, pivot functionality, memory card reader, 2 years more warranty, 1" more size and a clear price win. Apple has better looks and a firewire hub.
In the 20" class both use the same panels, the fight is tighter and Apple is pretty competetive.
I 2nd this opinion. In every race except "how good does the chassis look", the Dell wins. And the Dell still looks pretty good as monitors go.
I would trade it for the 30" Apple, of course, but I don't think that I would take a free trade for the 23" apple if it was offered to me.
Originally posted by Gon
In the 23"-24" class Dell has a better panel and so better image quality, 2 more axis of adjustment, VGA, SVHS, component, composite inputs, pivot functionality, memory card reader, 2 years more warranty, 1" more size and a clear price win.
Right. This is a solid feature set that justifies the price difference here in Europe:
23" Apple display: 1568.99 euros
24" Dell display: 1692.79 euros
The Dell is almost 124 euros more expensive.
Originally posted by a_greer
that is a great point I would kill for dual 20's to do just this..I have dual 20s at work (for video and desktop publishing) and it kicks ass on blackboard (our dept also handles blackboard Q&A and support)
I also feel better now that I know that I am not the only one who has like 3 word docs, two web browsers (1 for campus email), Preview with a PDF and iTunes open at the same time to get my homework done
Ah, the brother/sisterhood of academic mac users (in my case in a PC-dominated environment). For me the key really has always been use of Japanese language fonts, but in the world of Blackboard and WebTycho "aided" instruction, multiple windows are absolutely essential.