The spin started when it was concluded that the only blame could be placed on FEMA/Bush.
The issue with Bush and FEMA's failures is that they are national issues that affect everyone in the country. The state and local governments in the gulf coast states aren't going to affect me in chicago if a disaster hits, but the failures of the bush administration unquestionably do.
Oh come on? We all care about those people down there. They are suffering and we want to know why it happened. To answer that question we need to look at the complete situation. To do anything less is intellectually dishonest. To only focus on the federal responce will get us nowhere fast.
But to suggest that the city shouldn't be rebuilt ? that's like telling someone who lost and arm or a leg, that they can't get medical care and should just go die quietly.
We all care about those people down there. They are suffering
Of course
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and we want to know why it happened.
To varying degrees and for various reasons. Personally, I'm not very interested in all of the minutia of the state and local plans, decisions, etc, because, to put it simply, they don't really affect me. It's the same reason I don't spend day after day focused on the earthquake disaster plans and local politics of San Francisco or the same with Mount Rainier and Seattle. If I'm going to spend time looking at local and state governments and their disaster plans, it will be my own state and local governments.
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To answer that question we need to look at the complete situation.
Sure, but it's quite literally not my job to answer all of the questions, and somehow I doubt it's yours.
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To only focus on the federal responce will get us nowhere fast.
"Us?" We aren't doing anything here but posting on a forum and I clearly don't expect to get the same thing out of these discussions that you do. We can discuss all of the different sides of the issue, but if people decide to focus on the failures of the only group in this mess that they rely on, the federal government, that's both perfectly legitimate and extremely important. I can't vote out the governor of louisiana, can I?
I guess if you're unwilling to learn from history you are doomed to repeat it. Chicago had a major fire that lead to modern fire safety codes and fire fighting. Had the rest of the country had your attitude, they would have learned nothing from the Chicago fire and only focused on the federal response. Or did I misunderstand you?
Rebuilt it but with canals and high density vertical housing. Like Venice but with more jazz and cheesy bead necklaces. Gas is too pricey anyway for cars and a good row helps keep those pectoral muscles in shape.
Rebuilding it with better levees and perhaps some raised areas is fine by me, I can think of much more useless govt expenditures. Iraq comes to mind. Changes to the Mississippi dam system could obviously help rebuild the delta which should be done for a variety of reasons even if that may be pie in the sky due to political considerations. Any capital expenditures are inevitably continuing at least at some frequency. We certainly don't stop building and buying and spending money on military hardware or highway infrastructure or the like. Such things are constantly replaced by necessity with billions in bling bling from the federal govt.
Although one thing I do wonder about is whether many people will decide not to return after being dispersed for months and essentially being forced to move on with their lives elsewhere. And if it lasts another forty years before a major disaster that isn't really all that bad.
I didn't even need to look at IP addresses to figure that one out.
Ah well. I just figured he was a 13 year old kid. I am happy to say, though, that I added him to my ignore list shortly after he first appeared on the boards.
Man. The ignore list. It's made my life so much better. Can I get one for real life?
I guess if you're unwilling to learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.
Yes, it seems that you are!
This looked so much like a 13-year old to me, too... complete with the "I could stop buying gas" comment and the hurt puppy dog "you guys are so mean" routine.
Instead, it seems that it is a grown man, pretending to be a 13-year-old.
I could stop buying gas. The bus I ride to work couldn't. But if it did, I'd ride a bike I guess. A guy I work with, that lives in the next development over, takes an electric bike to work. Shopping is close by too. So, YES, I could stop buying gas.
and the hurt puppy dog "you guys are so mean" routine.
That's why I thought it was Nappy. He was always so quick to play that "Oh! Ok! Fine! I'm dumb and you're smart!" card, which you know, assumes that the other person doesn't actually think that's true.
That's why I thought it was Nappy. He was always so quick to play that "Oh! Ok! Fine! I'm dumb and you're smart!" card, which you know, assumes that the other person doesn't actually think that's true.
Huh. Weird. Now that you point it out I realize that I had unconsciously assumed the same thing for that very reason.
That whole "I guess I must be dumb compared to all you smart people" thing is very Naples and not at all Scottish.
That's why I thought it was Nappy. He was always so quick to play that "Oh! Ok! Fine! I'm dumb and you're smart!" card, which you know, assumes that the other person doesn't actually think that's true.
Why are you calling me Nappy? Isn't that kind of a racist nickname anyway?
You guys shouldn't attack other posters personally. But Scott technically isn't a poster here, so it's kind of a difficult spot we're in rule-wise, because personal attacks on non-posters are just fine.
I'll consult with the other moderators on this technical misunderstanding. In the meantime, I have no power to punish anyone who personally attacks Scott.
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Originally posted by PBook12
The spin started when it was concluded that the only blame could be placed on FEMA/Bush.
The issue with Bush and FEMA's failures is that they are national issues that affect everyone in the country. The state and local governments in the gulf coast states aren't going to affect me in chicago if a disaster hits, but the failures of the bush administration unquestionably do.
Originally posted by mmcgann11
But to suggest that the city shouldn't be rebuilt ? that's like telling someone who lost and arm or a leg, that they can't get medical care and should just go die quietly.
With all due respect, that's a terrible analogy.
Originally posted by PBook12
Oh come on?
Is this supposed to be a question?
We all care about those people down there. They are suffering
Of course
and we want to know why it happened.
To varying degrees and for various reasons. Personally, I'm not very interested in all of the minutia of the state and local plans, decisions, etc, because, to put it simply, they don't really affect me. It's the same reason I don't spend day after day focused on the earthquake disaster plans and local politics of San Francisco or the same with Mount Rainier and Seattle. If I'm going to spend time looking at local and state governments and their disaster plans, it will be my own state and local governments.
To answer that question we need to look at the complete situation.
Sure, but it's quite literally not my job to answer all of the questions, and somehow I doubt it's yours.
To only focus on the federal responce will get us nowhere fast.
"Us?" We aren't doing anything here but posting on a forum and I clearly don't expect to get the same thing out of these discussions that you do. We can discuss all of the different sides of the issue, but if people decide to focus on the failures of the only group in this mess that they rely on, the federal government, that's both perfectly legitimate and extremely important. I can't vote out the governor of louisiana, can I?
Originally posted by PBook12
Or did I misunderstand you?
Big time.
Rebuilding it with better levees and perhaps some raised areas is fine by me, I can think of much more useless govt expenditures. Iraq comes to mind. Changes to the Mississippi dam system could obviously help rebuild the delta which should be done for a variety of reasons even if that may be pie in the sky due to political considerations. Any capital expenditures are inevitably continuing at least at some frequency. We certainly don't stop building and buying and spending money on military hardware or highway infrastructure or the like. Such things are constantly replaced by necessity with billions in bling bling from the federal govt.
Although one thing I do wonder about is whether many people will decide not to return after being dispersed for months and essentially being forced to move on with their lives elsewhere. And if it lasts another forty years before a major disaster that isn't really all that bad.
Originally posted by groverat
So good to have you back, Scott.
Aw, man! And I thought it was Nappy!
Originally posted by groverat
I didn't even need to look at IP addresses to figure that one out.
Ah well. I just figured he was a 13 year old kid. I am happy to say, though, that I added him to my ignore list shortly after he first appeared on the boards.
Man. The ignore list. It's made my life so much better. Can I get one for real life?
Let's see if they notice...."
Originally posted by PBook12
I guess if you're unwilling to learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.
Yes, it seems that you are!
This looked so much like a 13-year old to me, too... complete with the "I could stop buying gas" comment and the hurt puppy dog "you guys are so mean" routine.
Instead, it seems that it is a grown man, pretending to be a 13-year-old.
On the Internet.
Imagine that!
Originally posted by FormerLurker
and the hurt puppy dog "you guys are so mean" routine.
That's why I thought it was Nappy. He was always so quick to play that "Oh! Ok! Fine! I'm dumb and you're smart!" card, which you know, assumes that the other person doesn't actually think that's true.
Originally posted by midwinter
That's why I thought it was Nappy. He was always so quick to play that "Oh! Ok! Fine! I'm dumb and you're smart!" card, which you know, assumes that the other person doesn't actually think that's true.
Huh. Weird. Now that you point it out I realize that I had unconsciously assumed the same thing for that very reason.
That whole "I guess I must be dumb compared to all you smart people" thing is very Naples and not at all Scottish.
Originally posted by midwinter
That's why I thought it was Nappy. He was always so quick to play that "Oh! Ok! Fine! I'm dumb and you're smart!" card, which you know, assumes that the other person doesn't actually think that's true.
Why are you calling me Nappy? Isn't that kind of a racist nickname anyway?
Originally posted by addabox
Huh. Weird. Now that you point it out I realize that I had unconsciously assumed the same thing for that very reason.
That whole "I guess I must be dumb compared to all you smart people" thing is very Naples and not at all Scottish.
Oh no, that's not Scott's MO at all. Scott's MO is "see brick wall. Argue with it."
I'll consult with the other moderators on this technical misunderstanding. In the meantime, I have no power to punish anyone who personally attacks Scott.
And I will tell you, that pains me greatly.