i'm really hesitant to buy another G5 (although a dual core tower would rip some ass), but not sure if i should just stick it out for intel. thoughts?
I don't want to buy rev. A of the intel macs, so I'm about to buy one of the new PMs - but I'm coming from an older 800 MHz TiBook. It sounds like single dual-core machines will not be drastically faster than current dualies; if you can afford a dual-dual core (I'm HOPING that isn't just the highest-priced box) then it would likely be worth it, otherwise I'd wait for Intel.
You are correct. There is virtually NO performance difference between dual core and dual processor. Unless of course you put TWO dual core CPU's in there, in which case you'll get performance similar to 4 single core CPU's...
My guess is they'll intro some Mactel machines without replacing existing models - a parallel line. That way people can transition at their own speed. I'd expect a smaller minitower case. Then, as sales pick up on the new machines, they can stop selling the old ones.
My guess is they'll intro some Mactel machines without replacing existing models - a parallel line. That way people can transition at their own speed. I'd expect a smaller minitower case. Then, as sales pick up on the new machines, they can stop selling the old ones.
That's what I've been thinking. Probably only for the highend though, since that would be rediculous to confuse consumers that much.
No, there's definitely a performance difference, since they're on the same die and have faster interchip communication.
Depends on how they have made them. They have either done the two separate cpu's on a die with little between them as Intel has done with some of theirs, or have taken the route of integrating them further as Intel is doing with later versions, and as AMD is doing now. I'm not really sure which approach they've taken.
But either way, they now have to share the same bus out to main memory, and that's a bottleneck.
Depends on how they have made them. They have either done the two separate cpu's on a die with little between them as Intel has done with some of theirs, or have taken the route of integrating them further as Intel is doing with later versions, and as AMD is doing now. I'm not really sure which approach they've taken.
But either way, they now have to share the same bus out to main memory, and that's a bottleneck.
I would think that it would be the latter due to IBM's experience with multi core chips far exceeds that of Intel and AMD
Big question, I had trouble with my 15 inch pb and so thursday I shipped it back to apple fedex ground, apple care is letting me upgrade to the 17inch....so the big question is, are people who are ordering the powerbook today going to get the new version if it really is coming weds?
they are not putting my order in til they get my 15 inch back so I am thinking Monday.
The fact that the 12" iBook is crippled so that you can't use a Cinema Display with it makes me upset when I see the unsuredness of a 12" PowerBook upgrade. At the end of this semester, I'm going to buy a 12" Powerbook with a 20" Cinema Display and use it for the next 4-5 years while working on my PhD. If the 15" and 17" get nice HD displays and cool new features while the PB 12" get "upgraded" to a 1.67 GHz G4 and 512 MB RAM standard... I'm not going to be happy.
I don't remember a time when the three PBs haven't been upgraded simultaneously. Have they? If it's true that the 15" and 17" are the only ones getting nice new stuff, then the 12" may die. But what would they replace it with? They'll have to - the iBook doesn't work with the displays! Maybe a 13.1" widescreen model? Maybe they release new Cinema Displays that work with VGA instead of DVI-only? Maybe they release a cheap adapter that allows VGA to work with the display? I don't know - but they have to have something or I'm going to go nuts!
Oh, come on, its pretty dam basic; at the *LEAST* the assumption should be that PCI-X equates to PCI eXtended vs PCIe which is PCI express. Hardly rocket science material IMHO.
I'm sure there are people that confuse it and think PCI-X equates to PCI-eXpress and PCIe to PCI-Extended. IMO, the only reason to keep them so similar is to pick out who knows what they are talking about from those that don't. I'm surprised that Intel et. al. didn't learn from the extended / expanded memory type debacle from the years back.
Most people have other things to think about than that though, people writing articles about it should be getting it right.
well, my thoughts is that the 12" would have been discontinued already if it were not selling still, but this next upgrade should finish it off.....Ive been following the rumours for quite a while and it seems like apple recruited a bunch of vaio engineers to help them with the new designs....so you can expect the 12 inch replacement in the early part of next year when the macintels finally emerge...the current model is just going to fade away as sales dry up. The 15 inch is really portable though...I have been carrying mine around for 2 months and it really is an easy tote, and even in the current congig the 15 really outshines the 12 as far as image quality.
Well, I'm in that screwed position of having to order a new PowerMac next week. The big question is whether or not the new PowerMacs are announced. However, if I do wait for an announcement, the second big question is when will the new PowerMacs ship? Immediately or will it be 6-8 weeks?
I need to add to that that I am replacing my 15 with a 17 though...I was the victim of the lower slot anomally and when they replaced my logic board they replaced it with the wrong one 1.5 150bus...so when they offered me a new one I was quite rattled and decide to move to a different machine.
Well, I'm in that screwed position of having to order a new PowerMac next week. The big question is whether or not the new PowerMacs are announced. However, if I do wait for an announcement, the second big question is when will the new PowerMacs ship? Immediately or will it be 6-8 weeks?
Usually there's only a wait if they announce an all-new machine at a keynote. A simple upgrade will usually be available immediately.
I would think that it would be the latter due to IBM's experience with multi core chips far exceeds that of Intel and AMD
You might think that, but you don't know that.
I also thought that due to IBM's experience with dual cores they would have had the MP out way before Intel and AMD. We were expecting that. But they didn't. We were expecting it at least 18 months ago. So don't expect anything at this time. Just hope.
I'm sure there are people that confuse it and think PCI-X equates to PCI-eXpress and PCIe to PCI-Extended. IMO, the only reason to keep them so similar is to pick out who knows what they are talking about from those that don't. I'm surprised that Intel et. al. didn't learn from the extended / expanded memory type debacle from the years back.
Most people have other things to think about than that though, people writing articles about it should be getting it right.
I have never met anyone who has ever thought that.
The only other's than Apple to use X are workstation and server manufacturers. The people who buy and use those systems know what it means.
Almost no one else has even ever heard of PCI X except in reference to Apple's machines, or PC enthusiasts who know the difference.
I have never met anyone who has ever thought that.
The only other's than Apple to use X are workstation and server manufacturers. The people who buy and use those systems know what it means.
Almost no one else has even ever heard of PCI X except in reference to Apple's machines, or PC enthusiasts who know the difference.
Not "met", but I see a LOT of people online that confuse the two, some of them should have known better. Some people are just peripherally aware of PCI-X, having seen the logo somehow, somewhere, and seem to assume it meant PCI-express simply because they aren't aware there are two different standards.
Not "met", but I see a LOT of people online that confuse the two, some of them should have known better. Some people are just peripherally aware of PCI-X, having seen the logo somehow, somewhere, and seem to assume it meant PCI-express simply because they aren't aware there are two different standards.
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Originally posted by sandboxface
i'm really hesitant to buy another G5 (although a dual core tower would rip some ass), but not sure if i should just stick it out for intel. thoughts?
I don't want to buy rev. A of the intel macs, so I'm about to buy one of the new PMs - but I'm coming from an older 800 MHz TiBook. It sounds like single dual-core machines will not be drastically faster than current dualies; if you can afford a dual-dual core (I'm HOPING that isn't just the highest-priced box) then it would likely be worth it, otherwise I'd wait for Intel.
Originally posted by cubist
My guess is they'll intro some Mactel machines without replacing existing models - a parallel line. That way people can transition at their own speed. I'd expect a smaller minitower case. Then, as sales pick up on the new machines, they can stop selling the old ones.
That's what I've been thinking. Probably only for the highend though, since that would be rediculous to confuse consumers that much.
Originally posted by Placebo
No, there's definitely a performance difference, since they're on the same die and have faster interchip communication.
Depends on how they have made them. They have either done the two separate cpu's on a die with little between them as Intel has done with some of theirs, or have taken the route of integrating them further as Intel is doing with later versions, and as AMD is doing now. I'm not really sure which approach they've taken.
But either way, they now have to share the same bus out to main memory, and that's a bottleneck.
Originally posted by melgross
Depends on how they have made them. They have either done the two separate cpu's on a die with little between them as Intel has done with some of theirs, or have taken the route of integrating them further as Intel is doing with later versions, and as AMD is doing now. I'm not really sure which approach they've taken.
But either way, they now have to share the same bus out to main memory, and that's a bottleneck.
I would think that it would be the latter due to IBM's experience with multi core chips far exceeds that of Intel and AMD
they are not putting my order in til they get my 15 inch back so I am thinking Monday.
I don't remember a time when the three PBs haven't been upgraded simultaneously. Have they? If it's true that the 15" and 17" are the only ones getting nice new stuff, then the 12" may die. But what would they replace it with? They'll have to - the iBook doesn't work with the displays! Maybe a 13.1" widescreen model? Maybe they release new Cinema Displays that work with VGA instead of DVI-only? Maybe they release a cheap adapter that allows VGA to work with the display? I don't know - but they have to have something or I'm going to go nuts!
Originally posted by kaiwai
Oh, come on, its pretty dam basic; at the *LEAST* the assumption should be that PCI-X equates to PCI eXtended vs PCIe which is PCI express. Hardly rocket science material IMHO.
I'm sure there are people that confuse it and think PCI-X equates to PCI-eXpress and PCIe to PCI-Extended. IMO, the only reason to keep them so similar is to pick out who knows what they are talking about from those that don't. I'm surprised that Intel et. al. didn't learn from the extended / expanded memory type debacle from the years back.
Most people have other things to think about than that though, people writing articles about it should be getting it right.
Originally posted by Northgate
Well, I'm in that screwed position of having to order a new PowerMac next week. The big question is whether or not the new PowerMacs are announced. However, if I do wait for an announcement, the second big question is when will the new PowerMacs ship? Immediately or will it be 6-8 weeks?
Usually there's only a wait if they announce an all-new machine at a keynote. A simple upgrade will usually be available immediately.
Originally posted by jherrling
I would think that it would be the latter due to IBM's experience with multi core chips far exceeds that of Intel and AMD
You might think that, but you don't know that.
I also thought that due to IBM's experience with dual cores they would have had the MP out way before Intel and AMD. We were expecting that. But they didn't. We were expecting it at least 18 months ago. So don't expect anything at this time. Just hope.
Originally posted by JeffDM
I'm sure there are people that confuse it and think PCI-X equates to PCI-eXpress and PCIe to PCI-Extended. IMO, the only reason to keep them so similar is to pick out who knows what they are talking about from those that don't. I'm surprised that Intel et. al. didn't learn from the extended / expanded memory type debacle from the years back.
Most people have other things to think about than that though, people writing articles about it should be getting it right.
I have never met anyone who has ever thought that.
The only other's than Apple to use X are workstation and server manufacturers. The people who buy and use those systems know what it means.
Almost no one else has even ever heard of PCI X except in reference to Apple's machines, or PC enthusiasts who know the difference.
Originally posted by melgross
I have never met anyone who has ever thought that.
The only other's than Apple to use X are workstation and server manufacturers. The people who buy and use those systems know what it means.
Almost no one else has even ever heard of PCI X except in reference to Apple's machines, or PC enthusiasts who know the difference.
Not "met", but I see a LOT of people online that confuse the two, some of them should have known better. Some people are just peripherally aware of PCI-X, having seen the logo somehow, somewhere, and seem to assume it meant PCI-express simply because they aren't aware there are two different standards.
I mean, if they dont do that - what else is there to upgrade?
Oh please please please Apple.
I NEED a hi-res Powerbook!
(Flash takes up way too much screen real-estate =/ )
Originally posted by JeffDM
Not "met", but I see a LOT of people online that confuse the two, some of them should have known better. Some people are just peripherally aware of PCI-X, having seen the logo somehow, somewhere, and seem to assume it meant PCI-express simply because they aren't aware there are two different standards.
Perhaps, but I've never encountered that either.