It is a classic case of duche bag sues deep pocket looking for a fast pay day.
But then the lawyers make it a class action, they get a fat paycheck and the class members get a $2 cupon to the iTms...happens all the time to other companies the same way.
Class action reform is needed now, its purpose has been soarly abused by fucktard lawyers! (pardon the redundency)
I saw this coming when the first widespread cases of scratching occurred. I think if it is indeed trial by jury, Apple is going to lose.
As for the case itself, I don't think suing because of the scratches is wrong, but I think wanting a cut out of the nano's profits is very unrealistic and isn't going to happen.
In the very end, I hope it means a free case like the one that came with the iPod video or something like that.
find me anything with a screen tat doesnt scratch when you stick it in your pocket with sharp and blunt metal items....
I think this is an excellent point.
I plan to use thin sheets if I ever get a nano, sheets of what, I don't know. I have a pack of Fellowes WriteRight PDA screen protectors that might cover the entire front.
Personally, I hadn't seen any nanos in the store with unreadable screens, they have minor scratches, but nothing that hindered my ability to see the screen in full detail.
I think it was JVC that supposedly has an outstanding scratch protector coating for plastic, I'd like to see portable devices use that.
I've had mine for a month and no noticeable scratches so far. I don't put it in my pant's pocket though. I put it in my shirt pocket. Why on earth would I put it somewhere that a bunch of metal objects are just waiting to chew it up.
As for the materials it made of, it seems to be the same exact plastic my 30GB iPod is made of so I see no real problem.
ps - I cut up a PDA screen protector to put over the screen of the nano but it has too many bubbles for my liking so I've been using it without the screen protector.
These people's illiteracy is not Apple's fault! Perhaps these dumb bastards ought to sue their parents or their former teachers for letting them out of the school system without being able to read.
I have a Treo 650. The very first thing I did to after taking it out of the box was apply a screen protector. It's a fragile electronic device, not a rock or a block of wood.
Apple should (if they don't already) ship it with a basic plastic screen protector.
The only problem I can see pursuable by a court of law is the case of the screen actually cracking with normal usage. If you've got something with a delicate LCD screen rattling around in your pocket along with your keys and other garbage, then you should take a few seconds to pause and reflect upon your actions.
Yet another frivolous lawsuit. Meanwhile, we continue to fight a war in another country under false pretenses. :P
find me anything with a screen tat doesnt scratch when you stick it in your pocket with sharp and blunt metal items....
That's rather obvious but what's happening is that even a person's cotton clothing is scratching the surface. There have been too numerous complaints about the scratched up Nanos to write this off as an isolated incident.
Consumers have the right to petition the governement for a redress whether it be frivolous or not.
The class action IS stupid but then I kind of agree with the complaint. The Nano is a pretty piece of design aesthetically but design is more than just looks and for something that has to go in your pocket the materials used and design are just unsuitable.
The screen needs protection. That's an obvious requirement and should be accommodated in the design, not after the fact with 3rd party cases and clear film.
I've not seen the scratches personally but I'm not surprised. My iBook scratches really easy too. Polycarbonate is just too soft. I don't know what the difference is between my Sony Ericsson T610 and the iBook materials wise but I've had that phone for 3 years+ and it's got almost no scratches on it despite it being chucked in bags, in my pocket, the bottom of a bag whilst mountain biking or rolling around the dash in the car. SE can do it, why not Apple? For that matter, my lenses on my glasses don't scratch that easily either.
So, I still think there's something in the complaints, regardless of the stupid lawsuits.
That's rather obvious but what's happening is that even a person's cotton clothing is scratching the surface. There have been too numerous complaints about the scratched up Nanos to write this off as an isolated incident.
Consumers have the right to petition the governement for a redress whether it be frivolous or not.
I disagree, the cotton is most likely not the culprit, but the grit, and debris that gets caught in there. (in addition to whatever other seeming inoocent objects the people have in there)
ps - I've got an old iBook (the icebook not thee opaque one) and 2 iPods. All of them see regular use and are a few yers old. They have some scratches but nothing as severe as the ones some people claim they've gotten from "normal" use and storage. I'm a bit surprised at how some poeple treat their stuff...
I like how they cite the screen cracking issue (which is something Apple should completely be held accountable for). Sure, it's a completely unrelated issue, but who cares!?
Then again, I have a Sony Ericsson T610 phone which I have been keeping in my pockets for two years. It has a few scratches, but nothing nearly as bad as what I've seen on iPods (I've had a 1st, 3rd and now 4th gen). There are clear coatings out there that are insanely durable, but for whatever unknown reason, Apple doesn't use them.
If you think polycarbonate is scratch-resistant, take a look at the security glass at a convenience store in a bad neighborhood some time.
No skin off my back, though, my friend gave me one of the socks he bought and, so far, no scratches on my 4G.
While I would like to defend Apple, I will not. On the other hand these people are asking a bit much. If they still like their iPod on principle then should ask Apple to exchange their iPod nanos, along with making a slip cover standard, as they now have with new iPod video. Remember that if the suit is to outrageous then it is more likely to fail. I reckon that the 'share of the profits' element is to pay for lawyer's fees, so that the plaintiffs don't have to shell out themselves.
I put my cell phone in my pocket all the time, yes it does scratch, but not to the extent of making these screen unreadable. This shows a lack of testing of the durability, based on the use of the product. The Ars Technica tests of the iPod nano showed that it stood up to the most severe tests, but what this shows is that normal uses cause more issues. Apple should either change the plastic used, so that when it does scratch (since they will) they aren't so noticeable or provide a slip case standard.
I will that I bought a cover for my iPod, but then again it was more because I hold more value to it that my cell phone.
Unless Apple claims that it is scratch resistant or that is doesn't scratch, they don't have a case. It's all user fault. Plus the Nano comes with a protective plastic film.
When you are the size of Apple, things like this will happen. People in the U.S. will sue for anything they can. Sad.
I just cannot understand how, if the nanos use the same plastics as the 4Gs AND we've never heard about scratch problems on the 4Gs how this could possibly be a legitimate problem nano-wide. Maybe in the process of making the plastics some didn't cure correctly or something, but I want to see one of these unreadable iPod nanos. I want to see it in person or a very good picture with the backlight on of this undreadable nano. I'd imagine you'd need SIGNIFICANT damage to the screen to make it unreadable. If you manage to scratch it that badly, maybe you need to re-evaluate how you use your nano?
All comments from hmuchison considered and other complaints duly noted, I just don't see how this is as big of a problem or significant amount of damage as the lawsuit has made it out to be.
You all are being silly and unrealistic. The facts are the Nano is a portable device that will indeed be put into pockets and bookbags and whatnot.
The reality is it scratches far too easy. I've seen it with my own eyes. It mars bad enough to obscure the screen.
Asking for a portion of the profits is frankly ridiculous but lawyers will always ask for the moon and hope to get close.
Apple should have spent the extra money on higher quality plastic. Looking at the bill of goods thread they are making excellent margin. They did'nt have to take the uncessary risk and use cheaper plastic.
idk, back when i had my 20GB, id always keep change and keys in the other pocket... kindda common sense right? i mean, at the gocery you keep cookies in a different bag then say a gallon of milk... why? because crumbs dont taste as good as cookies. maybe this guy should get the money, afterall gotta feel bad for him since he obviously must have a shitty life with his lack of common sense.
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But then the lawyers make it a class action, they get a fat paycheck and the class members get a $2 cupon to the iTms...happens all the time to other companies the same way.
Class action reform is needed now, its purpose has been soarly abused by fucktard lawyers! (pardon the redundency)
As for the case itself, I don't think suing because of the scratches is wrong, but I think wanting a cut out of the nano's profits is very unrealistic and isn't going to happen.
In the very end, I hope it means a free case like the one that came with the iPod video or something like that.
if users were to put their nanos in their pockets with common items such as coins, keys, a money clip, a credit card
find me anything with a screen tat doesnt scratch when you stick it in your pocket with sharp and blunt metal items....
Originally posted by revs
find me anything with a screen tat doesnt scratch when you stick it in your pocket with sharp and blunt metal items....
I think this is an excellent point.
I plan to use thin sheets if I ever get a nano, sheets of what, I don't know. I have a pack of Fellowes WriteRight PDA screen protectors that might cover the entire front.
Personally, I hadn't seen any nanos in the store with unreadable screens, they have minor scratches, but nothing that hindered my ability to see the screen in full detail.
I think it was JVC that supposedly has an outstanding scratch protector coating for plastic, I'd like to see portable devices use that.
As for the materials it made of, it seems to be the same exact plastic my 30GB iPod is made of so I see no real problem.
ps - I cut up a PDA screen protector to put over the screen of the nano but it has too many bubbles for my liking so I've been using it without the screen protector.
rendering the screen on the Nanos unreadable
These people's illiteracy is not Apple's fault! Perhaps these dumb bastards ought to sue their parents or their former teachers for letting them out of the school system without being able to read.
I have a Treo 650. The very first thing I did to after taking it out of the box was apply a screen protector. It's a fragile electronic device, not a rock or a block of wood.
Apple should (if they don't already) ship it with a basic plastic screen protector.
The only problem I can see pursuable by a court of law is the case of the screen actually cracking with normal usage. If you've got something with a delicate LCD screen rattling around in your pocket along with your keys and other garbage, then you should take a few seconds to pause and reflect upon your actions.
Yet another frivolous lawsuit. Meanwhile, we continue to fight a war in another country under false pretenses. :P
Originally posted by revs
find me anything with a screen tat doesnt scratch when you stick it in your pocket with sharp and blunt metal items....
That's rather obvious but what's happening is that even a person's cotton clothing is scratching the surface. There have been too numerous complaints about the scratched up Nanos to write this off as an isolated incident.
Consumers have the right to petition the governement for a redress whether it be frivolous or not.
The screen needs protection. That's an obvious requirement and should be accommodated in the design, not after the fact with 3rd party cases and clear film.
I've not seen the scratches personally but I'm not surprised. My iBook scratches really easy too. Polycarbonate is just too soft. I don't know what the difference is between my Sony Ericsson T610 and the iBook materials wise but I've had that phone for 3 years+ and it's got almost no scratches on it despite it being chucked in bags, in my pocket, the bottom of a bag whilst mountain biking or rolling around the dash in the car. SE can do it, why not Apple? For that matter, my lenses on my glasses don't scratch that easily either.
So, I still think there's something in the complaints, regardless of the stupid lawsuits.
Originally posted by hmurchison
That's rather obvious but what's happening is that even a person's cotton clothing is scratching the surface. There have been too numerous complaints about the scratched up Nanos to write this off as an isolated incident.
Consumers have the right to petition the governement for a redress whether it be frivolous or not.
I disagree, the cotton is most likely not the culprit, but the grit, and debris that gets caught in there. (in addition to whatever other seeming inoocent objects the people have in there)
ps - I've got an old iBook (the icebook not thee opaque one) and 2 iPods. All of them see regular use and are a few yers old. They have some scratches but nothing as severe as the ones some people claim they've gotten from "normal" use and storage. I'm a bit surprised at how some poeple treat their stuff...
Then again, I have a Sony Ericsson T610 phone which I have been keeping in my pockets for two years. It has a few scratches, but nothing nearly as bad as what I've seen on iPods (I've had a 1st, 3rd and now 4th gen). There are clear coatings out there that are insanely durable, but for whatever unknown reason, Apple doesn't use them.
If you think polycarbonate is scratch-resistant, take a look at the security glass at a convenience store in a bad neighborhood some time.
No skin off my back, though, my friend gave me one of the socks he bought and, so far, no scratches on my 4G.
Originally posted by BRussell
I found a human finger in my nano.
Originally posted by BRussell
I found a human finger in my nano.
I put my cell phone in my pocket all the time, yes it does scratch, but not to the extent of making these screen unreadable. This shows a lack of testing of the durability, based on the use of the product. The Ars Technica tests of the iPod nano showed that it stood up to the most severe tests, but what this shows is that normal uses cause more issues. Apple should either change the plastic used, so that when it does scratch (since they will) they aren't so noticeable or provide a slip case standard.
I will that I bought a cover for my iPod, but then again it was more because I hold more value to it that my cell phone.
Originally posted by BRussell
I found a human finger in my nano.
And we all know how that ended.
[BAD TASTE WARNING]
If you are right, taking the size of the Nano into account, Apple is also breaking the laws against embryo research.
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When you are the size of Apple, things like this will happen. People in the U.S. will sue for anything they can. Sad.
All comments from hmuchison considered and other complaints duly noted, I just don't see how this is as big of a problem or significant amount of damage as the lawsuit has made it out to be.
Originally posted by hmurchison
You all are being silly and unrealistic. The facts are the Nano is a portable device that will indeed be put into pockets and bookbags and whatnot.
The reality is it scratches far too easy. I've seen it with my own eyes. It mars bad enough to obscure the screen.
Asking for a portion of the profits is frankly ridiculous but lawyers will always ask for the moon and hope to get close.
Apple should have spent the extra money on higher quality plastic. Looking at the bill of goods thread they are making excellent margin. They did'nt have to take the uncessary risk and use cheaper plastic.
idk, back when i had my 20GB, id always keep change and keys in the other pocket... kindda common sense right? i mean, at the gocery you keep cookies in a different bag then say a gallon of milk... why? because crumbs dont taste as good as cookies. maybe this guy should get the money, afterall gotta feel bad for him since he obviously must have a shitty life with his lack of common sense.
silly idiots need to chill