If this is true, I will be much beyond pissed. I have been saving for a very very very long time for a new computer(re: married w/ children). I now have the money for a low end tower, $1700.
For that much cash, I was expecting a modest speed bump, low end to be @ 867 MHz and slightly modified motherboard, DDRsdram. With the educational discount(PTA) maybe I could upgrade the processor so that it would have L3 cache, if the low end didn't come with it.
As I write this, I'm getting more aggravated with each letter, must calm down, take deep breath.
Can't maintain, must vent
Apple, tell Motorola to take their CPU's and put where the sun don't shine. Tell them to pile all their mickey mouse cell phones and build a friggin bonfire. You can have your x#&##@$%^ ipis and idump and flipping *&*&898& (*&%&&% (*&(*^&(**8 (*^&(*^*(*^^%^&% prozac (*&^% *^%$$&#$# vallium &^$%#$&% *&^%$$.
This is Rickag's wife, he will not be able to write anything further and we expect his recuperation to be quiet extensive and long term. Good Luck @ MWSF
geez... now please stop that already. everyone who really believes that the powermacs won´t be updated at mwsf is a complete moron. sit back and relax, and have a nice show on monday.
IMO, given the very real possibility that G5's will not be showing up in time for this expo, no news for Powermacs is likely good news. I think a huge jump in MHz speed of the G4 PowerMacs would have to mean no G5 any time soon. But no news about chips or speed would mean a greater likelihood of G5's sooner than later. OK, I'm grasping a bit. But, hey, Apple wants to be a consumer company right? Ooch, i'm hurting here!
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they were bumped a little but if the top of the line is 1 GB or less, then it's better to say little and let the other stuff shine.
<strong>Ok....so if all we get is new iMacs...why is Apple generating all this hype?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe Steve's RDF is now a RDF Deflector and he wants to try it out Monday when the riots start, so he hyped the show to make extra sure the test is good. Or maybe, more likely, the hype is about the "One Other Thing.
well all Apple employees get special deals on stuff that Apple wants to clear out. i know that the ibook, imac, and Powermacs were all part of those deals this last quarter....furthermore there was an extra special deal on the G4 dual 800/with the Cinema Display....i thinks that says it all. don't listen to that article....it obviously isn't in tune with what's readily obvious. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Man...talk about ruining my weekend.I swore for sure they would have a Motorola G-5 1.0 Ghz,1.2 Ghz and 1.6 GHz.Minimum....Then, I hoped for Apollo to be the same specs of the G-5.But the Apollo has 7 pipelines and not 10 like the G-5.I searched on yahoo for Motorola Apollo...check it out.Now I read no PowerMac???How can this possibly be true???I currently have a G-4 450Mhz I love it and I did not settle for the G-4 400 Mhz offered originally by MacMall.I paid $2,300.00 for it 15 months ago.I have credit cards and one with 0% interest.I am ready for monday...but...??
Will Apple Computer,Inc deliver???I know the hype
is about the Expo,etc..but we need New Hardware.
I have all the high end software for the WinDos
platform but I will not compromise.Like Heckler &
Koch / H&K states: In a World of Compromise.. Some
Don't.We Apple Guru's are the same.But....We need a faster CPU and Bus like the WinTel platform.
No excuses..they have the technology and the revenue to do it.Why hold out???At a point in time
Yeah, if there is no update to the Powermacs, then this would be good news. It would suggest that a special event is coming soon, or maybe at MWT, or at WWDC, we will get G5s or at least Apollo G4s clocked to high speeds.
867
1000
dual 933
And Steve blathers on about the G4 hitting the mythical GHz barrier.
How many people here would start to boo if Jobs did this? Please, promise me that you will do so if you are at MWSF?
<strong>Yeah, if there is no update to the Powermacs, then this would be good news. It would suggest that a special event is coming soon, or maybe at MWT, or at WWDC, we will get G5s or at least Apollo G4s clocked to high speeds.
867
1000
dual 933
And Steve blathers on about the G4 hitting the mythical GHz barrier.
How many people here would start to boo if Jobs did this? Please, promise me that you will do so if you are at MWSF?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I really can't see them doing the same thing they did at MWNY, at the very least I would expect: 867, 1133, 2X1000 with DDR etc. or NOTHING and an Apple special event in about a months time (or just wait fr MWTYK)
If there is NO update. I think this would be bad for the iMac. It would likely mean NO G4 or a nutered G4 (IE 700 G4 MAX no cache PC100, etc.). Both are bad.
Say there was a fast new CPU coming on Monday. I really doubt any organization connected to MS would play it up. If it became a fact they would still down play it some way. I really doubt there would be no changes to the Powermac line no matter what they are.
LOL, you must be joking. 867-1000 MHz sounds like a good update to you??? Double-check your calander, it's 2002.
This is about marketing first. Apple needs more MHz so they can market their computers more effectively.
Second, this is about performance. The MHz gap is also a performance gap, although the gap is not as large as the MHz suggest, it is there nevertheless. OS X illustrates this problem very well. All but the fastest Powermacs have problems with OS X. But if Apple were to update the powermacs so that all of them are > 1 GHz, this would leave headroom for the rest of the Mac lineup to be increased.
I think this is the reason that everyone is so enamored by the 1.6 GHz G5 rumors. It's not that they all want or need such a beast, it's that they want Apple to succeed, to thrive. Apple can introduce all sorts of digital gadgets, but that doesn't change the fact that the bread and butter of selling computers is performance, and no iGadget will fool people into forgetting that $3500 for a 1 GHz Powermac is a rip-off.
Without consistently large upgrades in performance, Apple is going to continue to have problems selling computers. Apple remains profitable due to excellent management, but their sales numbers, in units, tell a different story. Besides the laptops. Apple is in trouble.
LOL, you must be joking. 867-1000 MHz sounds like a good update to you??? Double-check your calander, it's 2002.
This is about marketing first. Apple needs more MHz so they can market their computers more effectively.
Second, this is about performance. The MHz gap is also a performance gap, although the gap is not as large as the MHz suggest, it is there nevertheless. OS X illustrates this problem very well. All but the fastest Powermacs have problems with OS X. But if Apple were to update the powermacs so that all of them are > 1 GHz, this would leave headroom for the rest of the Mac lineup to be increased.
I think this is the reason that everyone is so enamored by the 1.6 GHz G5 rumors. It's not that they all want or need such a beast, it's that they want Apple to succeed, to thrive. Apple can introduce all sorts of digital gadgets, but that doesn't change the fact that the bread and butter of selling computers is performance, and no iGadget will fool people into forgetting that $3500 for a 1 GHz Powermac is a rip-off.
Without consistently large upgrades in performance, Apple is going to continue to have problems selling computers. Apple remains profitable due to excellent management, but their sales numbers, in units, tell a different story. Besides the laptops. Apple is in trouble.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple will succeed or fail whether or not I get worried about the state of Motorola's G5. So I elect not to be concerned. It's out of my hands, right. Marketing is handled by people trained in marketing. If the marketers tell the lumpenprole that this computer is good, and then they demonstrate that it is, it wont matter what long string of barely decipherable letters and numbers follow the name.
Right now, I am using a Duron 700. This fvcker is so fast, that were it a hockey player, it could block it's own shot. At school I have a QS867, and I can't even blink between stuff. HArdware speed is not the issue. Besides, OS X is SMP capable, and if need be, Apple will just continue to cram more procs on the board.
The gap isn't hardware, no matter what you say. It's not even really software, although software certainly plays a role. The gap is usage. People will shell out bucks for things they use. And as long as people use Macs, then people will buy Macs. Given the tens of millions of installed users, I don't worry about it.
The only gap here is in your mind, based on what you want, so when you finally break dow a buy a Mac (cause I don't really believe you own one), you can crow to your chums about how fast and cool it is. There is not one SHRED of concern in your mind about Apple's business. You don't use a Mac, you don't want a Mac, you don't need a Mac. Tell you what JYD, don't buy a Mac. Go get a P4 2 GHz PC with a GeForce3 or whatever, download Quake off of Morpheus, and find something else to whine about.
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Isn't it usually the other way around? Slash prices if new harware coming?</strong><hr></blockquote>
not if Apple has to extend the life of a line a few more months and sales suck beyond belief.
example: Powerbooks, towers last year.
yea, it would mean an update was coming but just a couple months away. no price cut makes me think the current line is dead
I can't even imagine the backlash that will ensue if they don't....
For that much cash, I was expecting a modest speed bump, low end to be @ 867 MHz and slightly modified motherboard, DDRsdram. With the educational discount(PTA) maybe I could upgrade the processor so that it would have L3 cache, if the low end didn't come with it.
As I write this, I'm getting more aggravated with each letter, must calm down, take deep breath.
Can't maintain, must vent
Apple, tell Motorola to take their CPU's and put where the sun don't shine. Tell them to pile all their mickey mouse cell phones and build a friggin bonfire. You can have your x#&##@$%^ ipis and idump and flipping *&*&898& (*&%&&% (*&(*^&(**8 (*^&(*^*(*^^%^&% prozac (*&^% *^%$$&#$# vallium &^$%#$&% *&^%$$.
This is Rickag's wife, he will not be able to write anything further and we expect his recuperation to be quiet extensive and long term. Good Luck @ MWSF
Not like I would anyway though.
From <a href="http://www.appleturns.com"; target="_blank">AtAT</a>:
[quote](Unless the G4 bump comes, say, <strong>later in the month instead</strong>. Then we'll reconsider.)<hr></blockquote>
So maybe there will be an Apple special event later in the month where they will be introd?
Of course, maybe AtAT and MSNBC are full of bunk and everyone will get their 1.6GHz G5s with DDR on Monday...
-Paul
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they were bumped a little but if the top of the line is 1 GB or less, then it's better to say little and let the other stuff shine.
I think they may be a bit biased.
<strong>Ok....so if all we get is new iMacs...why is Apple generating all this hype?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe Steve's RDF is now a RDF Deflector and he wants to try it out Monday when the riots start, so he hyped the show to make extra sure the test is good.
Will Apple Computer,Inc deliver???I know the hype
is about the Expo,etc..but we need New Hardware.
I have all the high end software for the WinDos
platform but I will not compromise.Like Heckler &
Koch / H&K states: In a World of Compromise.. Some
Don't.We Apple Guru's are the same.But....We need a faster CPU and Bus like the WinTel platform.
No excuses..they have the technology and the revenue to do it.Why hold out???At a point in time
so critical?
867
1000
dual 933
And Steve blathers on about the G4 hitting the mythical GHz barrier.
How many people here would start to boo if Jobs did this? Please, promise me that you will do so if you are at MWSF?
<strong>Yeah, if there is no update to the Powermacs, then this would be good news. It would suggest that a special event is coming soon, or maybe at MWT, or at WWDC, we will get G5s or at least Apollo G4s clocked to high speeds.
867
1000
dual 933
And Steve blathers on about the G4 hitting the mythical GHz barrier.
How many people here would start to boo if Jobs did this? Please, promise me that you will do so if you are at MWSF?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I really can't see them doing the same thing they did at MWNY, at the very least I would expect: 867, 1133, 2X1000 with DDR etc. or NOTHING and an Apple special event in about a months time (or just wait fr MWTYK)
If there is NO update. I think this would be bad for the iMac. It would likely mean NO G4 or a nutered G4 (IE 700 G4 MAX no cache PC100, etc.). Both are bad.
-Paul
SdC
I wouldn't boo, those numbers sound great to me.
<hr></blockquote>
LOL, you must be joking. 867-1000 MHz sounds like a good update to you??? Double-check your calander, it's 2002.
This is about marketing first. Apple needs more MHz so they can market their computers more effectively.
Second, this is about performance. The MHz gap is also a performance gap, although the gap is not as large as the MHz suggest, it is there nevertheless. OS X illustrates this problem very well. All but the fastest Powermacs have problems with OS X. But if Apple were to update the powermacs so that all of them are > 1 GHz, this would leave headroom for the rest of the Mac lineup to be increased.
I think this is the reason that everyone is so enamored by the 1.6 GHz G5 rumors. It's not that they all want or need such a beast, it's that they want Apple to succeed, to thrive. Apple can introduce all sorts of digital gadgets, but that doesn't change the fact that the bread and butter of selling computers is performance, and no iGadget will fool people into forgetting that $3500 for a 1 GHz Powermac is a rip-off.
Without consistently large upgrades in performance, Apple is going to continue to have problems selling computers. Apple remains profitable due to excellent management, but their sales numbers, in units, tell a different story. Besides the laptops. Apple is in trouble.
We simply invest too much emotion on what is in the end a bunch of metal, plastic and sand.
<strong>
LOL, you must be joking. 867-1000 MHz sounds like a good update to you??? Double-check your calander, it's 2002.
This is about marketing first. Apple needs more MHz so they can market their computers more effectively.
Second, this is about performance. The MHz gap is also a performance gap, although the gap is not as large as the MHz suggest, it is there nevertheless. OS X illustrates this problem very well. All but the fastest Powermacs have problems with OS X. But if Apple were to update the powermacs so that all of them are > 1 GHz, this would leave headroom for the rest of the Mac lineup to be increased.
I think this is the reason that everyone is so enamored by the 1.6 GHz G5 rumors. It's not that they all want or need such a beast, it's that they want Apple to succeed, to thrive. Apple can introduce all sorts of digital gadgets, but that doesn't change the fact that the bread and butter of selling computers is performance, and no iGadget will fool people into forgetting that $3500 for a 1 GHz Powermac is a rip-off.
Without consistently large upgrades in performance, Apple is going to continue to have problems selling computers. Apple remains profitable due to excellent management, but their sales numbers, in units, tell a different story. Besides the laptops. Apple is in trouble.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple will succeed or fail whether or not I get worried about the state of Motorola's G5. So I elect not to be concerned. It's out of my hands, right. Marketing is handled by people trained in marketing. If the marketers tell the lumpenprole that this computer is good, and then they demonstrate that it is, it wont matter what long string of barely decipherable letters and numbers follow the name.
Right now, I am using a Duron 700. This fvcker is so fast, that were it a hockey player, it could block it's own shot. At school I have a QS867, and I can't even blink between stuff. HArdware speed is not the issue. Besides, OS X is SMP capable, and if need be, Apple will just continue to cram more procs on the board.
The gap isn't hardware, no matter what you say. It's not even really software, although software certainly plays a role. The gap is usage. People will shell out bucks for things they use. And as long as people use Macs, then people will buy Macs. Given the tens of millions of installed users, I don't worry about it.
The only gap here is in your mind, based on what you want, so when you finally break dow a buy a Mac (cause I don't really believe you own one), you can crow to your chums about how fast and cool it is. There is not one SHRED of concern in your mind about Apple's business. You don't use a Mac, you don't want a Mac, you don't need a Mac. Tell you what JYD, don't buy a Mac. Go get a P4 2 GHz PC with a GeForce3 or whatever, download Quake off of Morpheus, and find something else to whine about.
SdC
<strong>
The gap isn't hardware, no matter what you say.
SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm tired of hearing people settle for so little as far as performance goes.
If you are a professional that is required to do rendering of any kind, you cannot have too much speed.
If Apple is serious about retaining the pro users, they have to do something soon.
I have been an Apple supporter/owner/user for a long time and I can tell you that whether its 3d or AE rendering, the PCs are very noticably faster.
If they are not serious about the pro market, that's fine too. I have no doubt that they'll make cool consumer products.