You have to remember that vMac emulates a Mac Plus, and Basilisk II only 68k machines, which means up to Mac OS 8.1.
If someone wants to run a Classic PPC app and/or Mac OS 9.x on an intel Mac, there are currently no solution aside from PearPC which doesn't exist for the Mac OS and is very slow.
I wonder if it would be possible for the Basilisk II team to implement PPC support using Rosetta as a translator, but compiling the rest of the Basilisk II in intel native code.
Why bother with all this... Trying to get classic to run on a new machine... Anyone who has a need to run classic apps must already have a Mac.
Let the intel Mac do it's thing, and keep the PPC Mac around for those occasions when classic is necessary...
Or, here's a thought... update your hardware/software so that it runs natively on the intel chip!!!
I know alot of people use Classic more intensively than I do... But the only time I ever use it is with my old, slow, usb Umax scanner. I only use it once in a great while... I figure if I were to buy an MacBook Pro, I may as well buy a new scanner...
I doubt this. I checked with those Apple rep. on the floor.
He said that the iMac could not use two displays.
Otherwise I would buy one right there.
The main reason I want to get a Mac is I need to make DVD
for my son's piano class tape recording every week.
The experience on Mac is so much better than on PC that
it is worth to buy a Mac just for that reason.
The new intel based iMac can run two displays. It supports both mirroring the internal display and also spanning two displays. However, it doesn't run Windows (yet).
The G5 iMac can't span two monitors without a hack to switch off the purely arbitrary limitation Apple imposed. It can however run Windows already, via VirtualPC. Ergo, you can run Windows on one monitor, and OSX on the other.
Now that Intel have modified their brand a little, have we seen the back of this tune? Is there going to be a new one for Core Duo and everything after?
The intel iMac will do desktop spanning. The iMac G5 will only do mirroring unless you use a hack.
EVEYYONE nvolved knows it's wrong. I don't see how an Apple rep, on the floor of Macworld, who has been told the features of the new machines in a class, so that they can extoll them at the biggest event of the year for Apple, and its community, can get this wrong.
I don't see how an Apple rep, on the floor of Macworld, who has been told the features of the new machines in a class, so that they can extoll them at the biggest event of the year for Apple, and its community, can get this wrong.
Something is fishy.
Maybe it was the same (crap) rep as the one in this video?
It's perfectly possible that in Steve's crazy efforts to lock down his announcements as tightly as possible, the reps are not properly trained.
Maybe it was the same (crap) rep as the one in this video?
It's perfectly possible that in Steve's crazy efforts to lock down his announcements as tightly as possible, the reps are not properly trained.
I don't expect a rep who is not specialised, to know much about apps that just came out, except for some of the main features. But there a few new things about the machine that they will know. Second monitors is one of them.
I don't expect them to know if the iSight camera is running off a Firewire bus, or a USB one, or something else. It doesn't matter.
I don't expect a rep who is not specialised, to know much about apps that just came out, except for some of the main features. But there a few new things about the machine that they will know. Second monitors is one of them.
I remember when all the smart kids on my street wanted to grow up and work for Apple as a sales rep. But their dreams were buried beneath a pile of textbooks and internships as they studied to be doctors and lawyers and quantum mechanics.
The reality is that smart people dont generally work as sales reps. I never walk into any shop ( even the Apple Store ) expecting them to give me answers to any question more complex than "How much is this?".
The rep in the Macbook video is a perfect example. If thats the quality of employee they choose for Macworld then Im not surprised in the least that they actually know anything about the new machines. Im sure they dont spend weeks agonizing over buying an iMac, weighing the absence of DVI and dual head. Hence they probably dont even notice it on the feature list they got to read 10 minutes before the show opened.
One question:If I will get a 23" display later, should
I get the 256M video memory?
Definitely if you're running multiple screens. 128MB is enough but 256MB is better. Macs use their graphics cards for a lot of the visual processing and effects you see.
I don't expect a rep who is not specialised, to know much about apps that just came out, except for some of the main features. But there a few new things about the machine that they will know. Second monitors is one of them.
I don't expect them to know if the iSight camera is running off a Firewire bus, or a USB one, or something else. It doesn't matter.
One report I read, probably one of Jade's on ARS, said that the floor reps at Macworld were briefed about the new Macs whilst Jobs was announcing them. They didn't get any prior sales brief so it's not surprising details like screen spanning or mirroring got missed.
Now I wish they did a monitor that looked like a second iMac sat next to the first so the screens don't look odd. ;-)
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If someone wants to run a Classic PPC app and/or Mac OS 9.x on an intel Mac, there are currently no solution aside from PearPC which doesn't exist for the Mac OS and is very slow.
I wonder if it would be possible for the Basilisk II team to implement PPC support using Rosetta as a translator, but compiling the rest of the Basilisk II in intel native code.
Let the intel Mac do it's thing, and keep the PPC Mac around for those occasions when classic is necessary...
Or, here's a thought... update your hardware/software so that it runs natively on the intel chip!!!
I know alot of people use Classic more intensively than I do... But the only time I ever use it is with my old, slow, usb Umax scanner. I only use it once in a great while... I figure if I were to buy an MacBook Pro, I may as well buy a new scanner...
Out with the old, in with the new!!
Originally posted by sammick
Wouldn't be great to have Apple OS on one display and Windows on the other using just the Macintel.
You can do that already, though not on the intel based Macs.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
You can do that already, though not on the intel based Macs.
Damn! I'm hours too slow.
He said that the iMac could not use two displays.
Otherwise I would buy one right there.
The main reason I want to get a Mac is I need to make DVD
for my son's piano class tape recording every week.
The experience on Mac is so much better than on PC that
it is worth to buy a Mac just for that reason.
Originally posted by DualP
I doubt this. I checked with those Apple rep. on the floor.
He said that the iMac could not use two displays.
Otherwise I would buy one right there.
The main reason I want to get a Mac is I need to make DVD
for my son's piano class tape recording every week.
The experience on Mac is so much better than on PC that
it is worth to buy a Mac just for that reason.
The new intel based iMac can run two displays. It supports both mirroring the internal display and also spanning two displays. However, it doesn't run Windows (yet).
See http://www.apple.com/imac/whatsinside.html under 'Graphics and Video'
The G5 iMac can't span two monitors without a hack to switch off the purely arbitrary limitation Apple imposed. It can however run Windows already, via VirtualPC. Ergo, you can run Windows on one monitor, and OSX on the other.
See Hack - http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html
And IME, there's nothing easier than iMovie and iDVD for doing exactly what you want a Mac for.
Originally posted by DualP
I doubt this. I checked with those Apple rep. on the floor.
He said that the iMac could not use two displays.
Well, he was wrong.
look here, under the ATI radeon logo.
The intel iMac will do desktop spanning. The iMac G5 will only do mirroring unless you use a hack.
Originally posted by a_greer
Yes
That's a little old now!
(Both the joke and the tune)
Originally posted by MacCrazy
That's a little old now!
(... and the tune)
That's just reminded me.
Now that Intel have modified their brand a little, have we seen the back of this tune? Is there going to be a new one for Core Duo and everything after?
Originally posted by Mr. H
Well, he was wrong.
look here, under the ATI radeon logo.
The intel iMac will do desktop spanning. The iMac G5 will only do mirroring unless you use a hack.
EVEYYONE nvolved knows it's wrong. I don't see how an Apple rep, on the floor of Macworld, who has been told the features of the new machines in a class, so that they can extoll them at the biggest event of the year for Apple, and its community, can get this wrong.
Something is fishy.
Originally posted by melgross
I don't see how an Apple rep, on the floor of Macworld, who has been told the features of the new machines in a class, so that they can extoll them at the biggest event of the year for Apple, and its community, can get this wrong.
Something is fishy.
Maybe it was the same (crap) rep as the one in this video?
It's perfectly possible that in Steve's crazy efforts to lock down his announcements as tightly as possible, the reps are not properly trained.
I will get an iMac soon.
One question:If I will get a 23" display later, should
I get the 256M video memory?
Originally posted by Mr. H
Maybe it was the same (crap) rep as the one in this video?
It's perfectly possible that in Steve's crazy efforts to lock down his announcements as tightly as possible, the reps are not properly trained.
I don't expect a rep who is not specialised, to know much about apps that just came out, except for some of the main features. But there a few new things about the machine that they will know. Second monitors is one of them.
I don't expect them to know if the iSight camera is running off a Firewire bus, or a USB one, or something else. It doesn't matter.
Originally posted by DualP
The rep said it can only do mirroring.
Yeah, well, that's just wacko.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
And IME, there's nothing easier than iMovie and iDVD for doing exactly what you want a Mac for.
Could not agree more, after tried with quite a few options
on PC.
Originally posted by melgross
I don't expect a rep who is not specialised, to know much about apps that just came out, except for some of the main features. But there a few new things about the machine that they will know. Second monitors is one of them.
I remember when all the smart kids on my street wanted to grow up and work for Apple as a sales rep. But their dreams were buried beneath a pile of textbooks and internships as they studied to be doctors and lawyers and quantum mechanics.
The reality is that smart people dont generally work as sales reps. I never walk into any shop ( even the Apple Store ) expecting them to give me answers to any question more complex than "How much is this?".
The rep in the Macbook video is a perfect example. If thats the quality of employee they choose for Macworld then Im not surprised in the least that they actually know anything about the new machines. Im sure they dont spend weeks agonizing over buying an iMac, weighing the absence of DVI and dual head. Hence they probably dont even notice it on the feature list they got to read 10 minutes before the show opened.
Originally posted by DualP
Thanks, guys.
I will get an iMac soon.
One question:If I will get a 23" display later, should
I get the 256M video memory?
Definitely if you're running multiple screens. 128MB is enough but 256MB is better. Macs use their graphics cards for a lot of the visual processing and effects you see.
Originally posted by melgross
I don't expect a rep who is not specialised, to know much about apps that just came out, except for some of the main features. But there a few new things about the machine that they will know. Second monitors is one of them.
I don't expect them to know if the iSight camera is running off a Firewire bus, or a USB one, or something else. It doesn't matter.
One report I read, probably one of Jade's on ARS, said that the floor reps at Macworld were briefed about the new Macs whilst Jobs was announcing them. They didn't get any prior sales brief so it's not surprising details like screen spanning or mirroring got missed.
Now I wish they did a monitor that looked like a second iMac sat next to the first so the screens don't look odd. ;-)