That Dell also does not come with good video editing software, photo imporing/editing/storage, DVD authoring, web authoring, or music creation.
Exactly. And That's why at $499, a Mac Mini would be worth the premium.
The current mini is also worth the premium, but only if you want all the stuff it comes with. If you just need a basic computer, what's the point of paying for the extras that you'll never use?
Seeing as the GMA950 is new how can you be so sure of that bold claim.
Doesn't appear the Geforce 6200 is made specifically for HD media playback like the GMA 950.
One advantage of the shared memory is the graphics card is able to access just as much memory as more expensive graphic cards when it is only used to view media.
TenoBell, do yu know that if one maxs out the new mini to 2GB memory that all of that can be accessed by the GMA 950 when viewing a DVD? What happens in a normal internet access session, say dealing with Blackboard or some other site?
>Memory available to Mac OS X may vary depending on graphics needs. Minimum graphics memory usage is 80MB, resulting in 432MB of system memory available.<
Are you kidding me? What is Jobs smoking?
Also, there are 2 RAM slots but both are used!
An optional external modem-come on, get real.
Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?
Why did Apple make the switch at all? Higher price, still anemic Ghz rating, shared graphics memory.
I am baffled. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
P.S. And they are charging $79 for iWork!? PC makers include Microsoft Works for free, Apple should be including iWork for free also.
.......Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?.......I am baffled. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
Umm, one point. You need to go read up on WTF Pentium M is and WTF Core Solos and Core Duos are. Then read up on how lame Pentium 4s are despite the big 3+Ghz number. Un-baffle yourself first dude before coming in here and showing how little you know. I don't mean to sound like a dick but I thought most people following Apple news would get the hang of what this Core Solo and Core Duo thing is about.
do yu know that if one maxs out the new mini to 2GB memory that all of that can be accessed by the GMA 950 when viewing a DVD?
No, I seriously doubt a DVD could use 2GB of memory.
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Also, there are 2 RAM slots but both are used!
I'm confused they both shouldn't be used?
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Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?
Seems you have missed the Intel paradigm shift. Clock speeds don't matter so much anymore. Intel has admitted that just because you have more clock cycles does not necessarily mean your processor is outperforming another in calculations, nor is it working in the most efficient manner. Meaning a dual Core 1.5 processor can handily out perform a single 3 Ghz processor.
Most new PC's will be using Intel Core chips, while the 3GHz is the old Pentium technology that Intel will no longer use any more.
TenoBell, do yu know that if one maxs out the new mini to 2GB memory that all of that can be accessed by the GMA 950 when viewing a DVD? What happens in a normal internet access session, say dealing with Blackboard or some other site?
Just read it somewhere: there is a max amount of memory the 950 can use -- 256 MB or something like that.
>Memory available to Mac OS X may vary depending on graphics needs. Minimum graphics memory usage is 80MB, resulting in 432MB of system memory available.<
Are you kidding me? What is Jobs smoking?
Also, there are 2 RAM slots but both are used!
An optional external modem-come on, get real.
Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?
Why did Apple make the switch at all? Higher price, still anemic Ghz rating, shared graphics memory.
I am baffled. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
P.S. And they are charging $79 for iWork!? PC makers include Microsoft Works for free, Apple should be including iWork for free also.
Wow I find it amazing that someone with that many posts doesn't know jack shit.
Currently, The Dell dimension B110 configured with 2.53 GHz Pentium Celeron D, 512 MB RAM, 80 gig 7200 rpm HD costs $339, including a keyboard and mouse. No wireless, no digital audio I/O, no IR receiver, slower RAM.
Now, I couldn't find anywhere how many USB ports that has, but I'm going to assume it has some USB 2.0 ones. No way it'll have Firewire, but that could be added for $20 as a PCI card.
Yes, this machine is vastly inferior to the baseline mini. What I'm saying is that the current baseline mini shouldn't be the baseline mini. There should be a cheaper one, without wireless, digital audio I/O, or front row.
I hope that those who suggest that Apple are waiting for the Celeron M 4xx are right and that a stripped down version of the mini will surface later.
I see what you mean I guess a 499 price point might have been important to a certain customer base but I really don't think 599 is going to make for poor sales.
Unfortunately that's the point, they don't really want us to.
Seeing as the GMA950 is new how can you be so sure of that bold claim.
Doesn't appear the Geforce 6200 is made specifically for HD media playback like the GMA 950.
One advantage of the shared memory is the graphics card is able to access just as much memory as more expensive graphic cards when it is only used to view media.
New? The chipset was tested and reviewed last mid September.
Apple probably knows if/or when DVR's become mainstream television studios will come down with the full power of the law. Or lobby congress to create the law.
If I can remember which site did the article (it wasn't a review of the iMac) about H.264, that I read over a month ago, I will post it. A search of the ever only sometimes helpful Google 76 pages on the subject didn't turn it up.
So, you can doubt me if it makes you feel good, but I have no reason to make it up.
In fact, I did tests with two old machines I have here. My dual 2GHz G5 has no problem, of course, but other machines turn up interesting results.
A dual 533MHz Digital Audio with an ATI 9800 Pro card can play 720p without a problem. 1080i is painful, and 1080p is just stop action.
But a 733 Digital Audio, also with 9800 Pro card, upgraded to PL dual 1.8GHz 7447a chips not only runs 720p well, it also runs 1080i well. 1080p runs, but drops frames. It's actually viewable.
Apple is very clear that only a G5 will run anything above 720p, but that's not true.
They are conservative. I think that a dual 1.67 will be marginal, but will work. In reference to that, two guys at MacWorld had two different experiences with this. another saw a MacBook Pro run the same 1080p clip at different times. One said that it obviously was skipping frames. the other said that it ran fine. I don't know which speed machine it was.
I watched you guys say for over a month that the intel ibook and mini would have INTEGRATED GRAPHICS. You are all right. AND NOW YOU ARE MAD. What the hell? If it's what's expected why are you mad.
Those of us who expected it aren't mad. Those who never thought it would happen are mad.
Some of us are a bit disappointed, even though we may have predicted it.
Jusy because we might be right, doesn't mean that we are happy to see it. Even if it seems ok.
We expected it because of cost issues.
But, there was always the hope for something more.
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Originally posted by TenoBell
That Dell also does not come with good video editing software, photo imporing/editing/storage, DVD authoring, web authoring, or music creation.
Exactly. And That's why at $499, a Mac Mini would be worth the premium.
The current mini is also worth the premium, but only if you want all the stuff it comes with. If you just need a basic computer, what's the point of paying for the extras that you'll never use?
Originally posted by TenoBell
Seeing as the GMA950 is new how can you be so sure of that bold claim.
Doesn't appear the Geforce 6200 is made specifically for HD media playback like the GMA 950.
One advantage of the shared memory is the graphics card is able to access just as much memory as more expensive graphic cards when it is only used to view media.
TenoBell, do yu know that if one maxs out the new mini to 2GB memory that all of that can be accessed by the GMA 950 when viewing a DVD? What happens in a normal internet access session, say dealing with Blackboard or some other site?
Are you kidding me? What is Jobs smoking?
Also, there are 2 RAM slots but both are used!
An optional external modem-come on, get real.
Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?
Why did Apple make the switch at all? Higher price, still anemic Ghz rating, shared graphics memory.
I am baffled. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
P.S. And they are charging $79 for iWork!? PC makers include Microsoft Works for free, Apple should be including iWork for free also.
Bad news if that's true.
.......Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?.......I am baffled. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
Umm, one point. You need to go read up on WTF Pentium M is and WTF Core Solos and Core Duos are. Then read up on how lame Pentium 4s are despite the big 3+Ghz number. Un-baffle yourself first dude before coming in here and showing how little you know. I don't mean to sound like a dick but I thought most people following Apple news would get the hang of what this Core Solo and Core Duo thing is about.
do yu know that if one maxs out the new mini to 2GB memory that all of that can be accessed by the GMA 950 when viewing a DVD?
No, I seriously doubt a DVD could use 2GB of memory.
Also, there are 2 RAM slots but both are used!
I'm confused they both shouldn't be used?
Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?
Seems you have missed the Intel paradigm shift. Clock speeds don't matter so much anymore. Intel has admitted that just because you have more clock cycles does not necessarily mean your processor is outperforming another in calculations, nor is it working in the most efficient manner. Meaning a dual Core 1.5 processor can handily out perform a single 3 Ghz processor.
Most new PC's will be using Intel Core chips, while the 3GHz is the old Pentium technology that Intel will no longer use any more.
An optional external modem-come on, get real.
Why do you still use a modem?
Originally posted by ecking
People have enough of a problem with the price as it is and you want to UP it another 50-100 bucks? lol
As a BTO option? Certainly. And why not?
Originally posted by Cubit
TenoBell, do yu know that if one maxs out the new mini to 2GB memory that all of that can be accessed by the GMA 950 when viewing a DVD? What happens in a normal internet access session, say dealing with Blackboard or some other site?
Just read it somewhere: there is a max amount of memory the 950 can use -- 256 MB or something like that.
Originally posted by steve666
>Memory available to Mac OS X may vary depending on graphics needs. Minimum graphics memory usage is 80MB, resulting in 432MB of system memory available.<
Are you kidding me? What is Jobs smoking?
Also, there are 2 RAM slots but both are used!
An optional external modem-come on, get real.
Are people supposed to be impressed with a 1.5 Ghz Intel Chip while PCs are at 3Ghz?
Why did Apple make the switch at all? Higher price, still anemic Ghz rating, shared graphics memory.
I am baffled. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
P.S. And they are charging $79 for iWork!? PC makers include Microsoft Works for free, Apple should be including iWork for free also.
Wow I find it amazing that someone with that many posts doesn't know jack shit.
Originally posted by Mr. H
God damn it Dell's website is crap!
Currently, The Dell dimension B110 configured with 2.53 GHz Pentium Celeron D, 512 MB RAM, 80 gig 7200 rpm HD costs $339, including a keyboard and mouse. No wireless, no digital audio I/O, no IR receiver, slower RAM.
Now, I couldn't find anywhere how many USB ports that has, but I'm going to assume it has some USB 2.0 ones. No way it'll have Firewire, but that could be added for $20 as a PCI card.
Yes, this machine is vastly inferior to the baseline mini. What I'm saying is that the current baseline mini shouldn't be the baseline mini. There should be a cheaper one, without wireless, digital audio I/O, or front row.
I hope that those who suggest that Apple are waiting for the Celeron M 4xx are right and that a stripped down version of the mini will surface later.
I see what you mean I guess a 499 price point might have been important to a certain customer base but I really don't think 599 is going to make for poor sales.
And I still think my
TRICKED OUT MUTHA F*CKIN HIGH END MINI
1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor
2MB L2 Cache
667MHz Frontside Bus
2GB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)
120GB Serial ATA hard drive
Double-layer SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote
$1459
is a pretty good deal.
Originally posted by ecking
People have enough of a problem with the price as it is and you want to UP it another 50-100 bucks? lol
As an BTO option? Yes.
Originally posted by TenoBell
Unfortunately that's the point, they don't really want us to.
Seeing as the GMA950 is new how can you be so sure of that bold claim.
Doesn't appear the Geforce 6200 is made specifically for HD media playback like the GMA 950.
One advantage of the shared memory is the graphics card is able to access just as much memory as more expensive graphic cards when it is only used to view media.
New? The chipset was tested and reviewed last mid September.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/09/15/are_intel/
It's a glorious article, especially about the comments how Intel's $7 chip, by design, has no desire to compete in mid or high end graphics.
At $7 per chip I sure as hell hope it couldn't or ATI and Nvidia might as well close up shop now.
Originally posted by TenoBell
Because........
Apple probably knows if/or when DVR's become mainstream television studios will come down with the full power of the law. Or lobby congress to create the law.
New? The chipset was tested and reviewed last mid September.
Now we are going to argue the semantics of the word new?
OK, its newer than a GPU from 2004.
The GMA 950 is no hardcore gaming chip that's well established. But the GMA 950 was designed to deliver HD playback to televisions.
And you still haven't addressed how the Geforce 6200 has 100% better performance just because it costs more.
Originally posted by mdriftmeyer
Cite what was played and link to the source.
You could be a bit more polite about that.
If I can remember which site did the article (it wasn't a review of the iMac) about H.264, that I read over a month ago, I will post it. A search of the ever only sometimes helpful Google 76 pages on the subject didn't turn it up.
So, you can doubt me if it makes you feel good, but I have no reason to make it up.
In fact, I did tests with two old machines I have here. My dual 2GHz G5 has no problem, of course, but other machines turn up interesting results.
A dual 533MHz Digital Audio with an ATI 9800 Pro card can play 720p without a problem. 1080i is painful, and 1080p is just stop action.
But a 733 Digital Audio, also with 9800 Pro card, upgraded to PL dual 1.8GHz 7447a chips not only runs 720p well, it also runs 1080i well. 1080p runs, but drops frames. It's actually viewable.
Apple is very clear that only a G5 will run anything above 720p, but that's not true.
They are conservative. I think that a dual 1.67 will be marginal, but will work. In reference to that, two guys at MacWorld had two different experiences with this. another saw a MacBook Pro run the same 1080p clip at different times. One said that it obviously was skipping frames. the other said that it ran fine. I don't know which speed machine it was.
Make of it what you will.
Originally posted by ecking
Now what is funny is the hypocracy on this forum
I watched you guys say for over a month that the intel ibook and mini would have INTEGRATED GRAPHICS. You are all right. AND NOW YOU ARE MAD. What the hell? If it's what's expected why are you mad.
Those of us who expected it aren't mad. Those who never thought it would happen are mad.
Some of us are a bit disappointed, even though we may have predicted it.
Jusy because we might be right, doesn't mean that we are happy to see it. Even if it seems ok.
We expected it because of cost issues.
But, there was always the hope for something more.
Originally posted by ecking
People have enough of a problem with the price as it is and you want to UP it another 50-100 bucks? lol
Not just that, but is there enough room in the case for the extra memory, and possible extra cooling?
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