One thing that I haven't really seen mention of on here is another possible response from Microsoft. What if they optimize a version of XP for Mac machines? This would not be that difficult for them to support.
You say...
What would be the point of that?
Well, what if you are a Mac user that has not really messed with windows since the 3.1 days? You install XP out of curiousity. You find yourself booting into it to try some apps that aren't out for the Mac. You find you aren't having nearly as many issues as you thought you would. It makes you start wondering...
The fact that many of the stories they have heard are greatly overstated won't help either. They don't have any blue screens of death. They realize that if they run a firewall and don't frequent porn or warez sites that they really aren't that likely to get a virus or spyware. Suddenly, they find themselves booting into XP more and more for the latest games, apps, etc.
This scenario would definitely give developers a reason to only introduce XP apps and would likely result in the scenario pointed to on Slashdot.
Also the fact that Apple has been taking on more and more of a development role helps/doesn't help their cause. If they end up being the only one making major apps for OSX other than MS Office, then they would definitely be in a no win scenario.
You say well...
That's fine. PC users can pay for a Mac to run XP. True, but it seems like Apple also generates sales from OS upgrades. If people are not upgrading OSX and they aren't upgrading their machines as often that would definitely move apple towards more of a Dell or HP scenario. (i.e. iPods, monitor, and computer sales)
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I think Microsoft is taking enough of a beating right now on Vista that they don't have time to worry about this and don't really care. We will see if that holds true.
I've got the open source xp on my machine right now, and I'm pretty sure that the firmware upgrade suceeded. It doesn't matter though, I'm erasing the windows partition, reinstalling mac, and then running Boot Camp. First I've just got to wait for all my junk to back up!
I've got the open source xp on my machine right now, and I'm pretty sure that the firmware upgrade suceeded. It doesn't matter though, I'm erasing the windows partition, reinstalling mac, and then running Boot Camp. First I've just got to wait for all my junk to back up!
woops, never mind, I just checked the unread articles on AI and found I have to download those MANUALLY! woot
I downloaded bootcamp and after a few failed attempts at loaded the xp dvd, it worked. Spent time updating windows, etc, and boy, it works better than my pc notebooks. One machine is all I need now.
You caught me. I wasn't sure if I spelt it right, but couldn't be bothered to double-check, and for some reason, when I went there, I did not get the "Did you mean" suggestion, whereas now I do.
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But that still doesn't answer what I asked mel - what the relevance of this to BootCamp is, in his mind.
Actually no. I do, however, have the files downloaded to my harddrive. I can't imagine that it would not install because I have those files in a .zip folder in my harddrive?
But stranger things have happened, so off to deleting them and trying again.
Nope, same problem.
Verify your drive. Make sure everything ok. That can stop this in its tracks.
The difficulty that has been discussed about this over the years is that Mac users, finding their most important program now only on Windows, might have no choice but to switch.
Well that assumes that Apple would stand still. Highly unlikely in my view. In my mind this only convinces me that Apple is committed to developing platform critical apps such as MS office and Adobe Creative Suite. They couldn't allow the above senario to occur.
Yes, Windows will ruin your computing experience just as fast as on a Dell.
Yes, Windows will run at 'full speed'. It will depend on the optimization of the GPU drivers, etc, but it appears from what little benchmarking I've seen that it isn't bad for the hardware being used.
Apple cannot do it all alone, they need a development community.
I don't disagree but with apps that are critical to the viability of the platform it looks to me like Apple is willing to do the developement. Unlike MS I bet Apple would tolerate competition. But with boot camp they can't tolerate an adobe saying " we recognize that apple users can now boot into windows therfore we are going to concentrate all our efforts on win cs". Surely if we have discussed this senario here on these forums, it's been discuused at Apple. They surely have a contingency plan.
Okay, this all kind of hinges on a single point though...
Name the Mac developers that can tell their users "Oh well, we've decided to drop Mac support - just spend an additional $100-200 and then you can buy our Windows version on top of that...", and have them snap to and do it. I can't think of one. It'd be marketshare suicide for the app.
Heck, users bitch whine and moan about *regular* upgrade pricing - you think they're going to blow the money on a Windows license just to run an app? \
Like I said, it'd take every developer in an entire market segment ditching simultaneously to actually cause a problem, and I just don't see that happening. For every Adobe that might ditch, there are a couple other developers waiting in the wings, salivating at grabbing some of that marketshare.
"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders," Steve Jobs said before a crowd of several thousand IT executives referring to the newly unprofitable status of Dell Corporation since the launch of BootCamp and Mac OS X Leopard.
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One thing that I haven't really seen mention of on here is another possible response from Microsoft. What if they optimize a version of XP for Mac machines? This would not be that difficult for them to support.
You say...
What would be the point of that?
Well, what if you are a Mac user that has not really messed with windows since the 3.1 days? You install XP out of curiousity. You find yourself booting into it to try some apps that aren't out for the Mac. You find you aren't having nearly as many issues as you thought you would. It makes you start wondering...
The fact that many of the stories they have heard are greatly overstated won't help either. They don't have any blue screens of death. They realize that if they run a firewall and don't frequent porn or warez sites that they really aren't that likely to get a virus or spyware. Suddenly, they find themselves booting into XP more and more for the latest games, apps, etc.
This scenario would definitely give developers a reason to only introduce XP apps and would likely result in the scenario pointed to on Slashdot.
Also the fact that Apple has been taking on more and more of a development role helps/doesn't help their cause. If they end up being the only one making major apps for OSX other than MS Office, then they would definitely be in a no win scenario.
You say well...
That's fine. PC users can pay for a Mac to run XP. True, but it seems like Apple also generates sales from OS upgrades. If people are not upgrading OSX and they aren't upgrading their machines as often that would definitely move apple towards more of a Dell or HP scenario. (i.e. iPods, monitor, and computer sales)
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I think Microsoft is taking enough of a beating right now on Vista that they don't have time to worry about this and don't really care. We will see if that holds true.
Regards,
Ocriss
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I've got the open source xp on my machine right now, and I'm pretty sure that the firmware upgrade suceeded. It doesn't matter though, I'm erasing the windows partition, reinstalling mac, and then running Boot Camp. First I've just got to wait for all my junk to back up!
woops, never mind, I just checked the unread articles on AI and found I have to download those MANUALLY! woot
I downloaded bootcamp and after a few failed attempts at loaded the xp dvd, it worked. Spent time updating windows, etc, and boy, it works better than my pc notebooks. One machine is all I need now.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Well, it does if resistant is spelled right.
You caught me. I wasn't sure if I spelt it right, but couldn't be bothered to double-check, and for some reason, when I went there, I did not get the "Did you mean" suggestion, whereas now I do.
But that still doesn't answer what I asked mel - what the relevance of this to BootCamp is, in his mind.
*nod*
Originally posted by Gene Clean
Actually no. I do, however, have the files downloaded to my harddrive. I can't imagine that it would not install because I have those files in a .zip folder in my harddrive?
But stranger things have happened, so off to deleting them and trying again.
Nope, same problem.
Verify your drive. Make sure everything ok. That can stop this in its tracks.
Originally posted by Chucker
*nod*
Is that because you didn't get to read my subsequent post where I explained it, or because you didn't see the connection?
And, did you get to see the relevent part of the patent that I'm talking about?
I suppose I could copy some of it over to a post.
Originally posted by melgross
Verify your drive. Make sure everything ok. That can stop this in its tracks.
Nope, same thing.
Originally posted by melgross
The difficulty that has been discussed about this over the years is that Mac users, finding their most important program now only on Windows, might have no choice but to switch.
Well that assumes that Apple would stand still. Highly unlikely in my view. In my mind this only convinces me that Apple is committed to developing platform critical apps such as MS office and Adobe Creative Suite. They couldn't allow the above senario to occur.
The install went smoothly. XP is as annoying as ever but at least I can bring home the Access databases from work.
On second thought, maybe I should erase this install.
In my mind this only convinces me that Apple is committed to developing platform critical apps such as MS office and Adobe Creative Suite.
Apple cannot do it all alone, they need a development community.
Yes, Windows will run at 'full speed'. It will depend on the optimization of the GPU drivers, etc, but it appears from what little benchmarking I've seen that it isn't bad for the hardware being used.
Fer instance: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?c=880378_1
Note the CPU marks on the iMac are *better* than the 3GHz PentiumD gaming rig. Wacky, huh?
The GPU marks are lower, but I'll leave it to someone else to interpret that.
Originally posted by TenoBell
Apple cannot do it all alone, they need a development community.
I don't disagree but with apps that are critical to the viability of the platform it looks to me like Apple is willing to do the developement. Unlike MS I bet Apple would tolerate competition. But with boot camp they can't tolerate an adobe saying " we recognize that apple users can now boot into windows therfore we are going to concentrate all our efforts on win cs". Surely if we have discussed this senario here on these forums, it's been discuused at Apple. They surely have a contingency plan.
Originally posted by melgross
It depends on who these developers are.
Okay, this all kind of hinges on a single point though...
Name the Mac developers that can tell their users "Oh well, we've decided to drop Mac support - just spend an additional $100-200 and then you can buy our Windows version on top of that...", and have them snap to and do it. I can't think of one. It'd be marketshare suicide for the app.
Heck, users bitch whine and moan about *regular* upgrade pricing - you think they're going to blow the money on a Windows license just to run an app?
Like I said, it'd take every developer in an entire market segment ditching simultaneously to actually cause a problem, and I just don't see that happening. For every Adobe that might ditch, there are a couple other developers waiting in the wings, salivating at grabbing some of that marketshare.
Originally posted by MacCentric
Coming soon......
Jobs: Dell Should Close Shop
"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders," Steve Jobs said before a crowd of several thousand IT executives referring to the newly unprofitable status of Dell Corporation since the launch of BootCamp and Mac OS X Leopard.
http://news.com.com/Dell+Apple+shoul..._3-203937.html
LMFAO
Ever.
Dvorak's Apple->Windows idea seems a little less crazy today, doesn't it?
Apple is flat-out endorsing the use of Windows on Macs.
Originally posted by nostyleart
does windows ruin at full speed? cause i only want to use it for pc gaming..
Windows is a "ruin" at any speed. But, on the serious side, yes, it should.