Might we be seeing the beginning of Flash Memory with the 17"? Seems power is always the number one issue. Not having to spin a disk has to help. No real inside info here, but I am curious.
Proud owner of a 15" 2.16 GHz MacBook Pro
I can't imagine how using flash memory would change things much.
Just to replace the disk drive for temporary storage why not just increase the amount of DRAM? Or use an HD with a larger buffer? Much faster and comparably priced.
For nonvolatile memory why not just use the HD? Adding a few gigabytes of flash wouldnt' change things much but it would bump the price by $100 or more.
The newer HDs are using less and less power and they are faster so they need to be powered up for less time. I'm open to new things, but this doesn't seem obvious to me.
I would be interested in a high capacity drive for this laptop. One of the new 160GB drives would be cool.
I can't imagine how using flash memory would change things much.
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The newer HDs are using less and less power and they are faster so they need to be powered up for less time. I'm open to new things, but this doesn't seem obvious to me.
Right.
To put it in perspective, a laptop hard drive uses about 2.5W max for the fastest spinning ones and that is when it is writing, reading is lower. The thermal design power of the Intel Mobile CPUs is 25W. I don't know what the screen backlight takes, assume max of 25W. Assuming flash cuts power in half, it would not noticibly affect battery life, unless you will notice a couple extra minutes.
I'll consider one of the 160's when it is available in SATA form.
In the past, Apple has also offered its professional customers a smaller notebook offering in the form of the 12-inch PowerBook G4. However, sources close to the company have been unable to turn up any evidence that Apple will carry the petite notebook design over to its Intel MacBook Pro product line.
Instead, the Cupertino, Calif.-based Mac maker is expected to supplement its 12-inch model with a pair of "MacBook" consumer notebooks sporting a 13-inch widescreen display and Intel Core Duo processors. Their release, however, is now rumored to have been pushed back to "next month."
One can still hope that this is merely a matter of priorty in timing releases... 15" Pro, 17" Pro, 13" non-Pro... and then, perhaps, a 13" Pro model.
Lack of "evidence" found by "sources close to the company" (however that evidence is gathered, and with whatever degree of reliability) could merely mean a small-size Mac Book Pro is further out in planning than other products.
I'm not saying Apple hasn't dumped the idea of a sub-15" MacBook Pro, but I'm surprised at how so many people seem as if they're actually eager to believe that this is true.
Apple releasing a defective product isn't a problem?
I'm pretty sure the person you are quoting meant problems that haven't been resolved. People have been getting replacements for the machines that had problems.
I'm pretty sure the person you are quoting meant problems that haven't been resolved. People have been getting replacements for the machines that had problems.
I'm the one he quoted, and yes, that is what I meant (though it may not have been completely clear). There is another thread here somewhere concerning the updated firmware for the Intel based machines that mentioned Apple's swapping out (not fixing) machines with the known problems.
Disclaimer - I'm not affected by any of the problems (I have a Core Duo iMac) so I can't vouch for actual experience getting the problems resolved.
Has there been documented problems with the W86 models?
Yes. Why don't you take the time to check before you spout off?
Well, in my googling, reports of W86 problems was minimal. So, I'm simply assuming there's no widespread problems, and that the reported problems only affect a small minority. Therefore the claim that Apple needs to release a "15 inch MacBook Pro that actually works" sounds whiny to me.
Why? A 17" MacBook won't be a cheap machine. Anyone who can afford one can afford to stay in a hotel with a free wifi hotspot.
Believe it or not, there are some area's where there is no hi-speed internet options. The area where my dad works has only has a cable-modem option, and to get that you have to subscribe to all the lousy cable quality channels. So he's forced to use dial-up.
Believe it or not, there are some area's where there is no hi-speed internet options. The area where my dad works has only has a cable-modem option, and to get that you have to subscribe to all the lousy cable quality channels. So he's forced to use dial-up.
Sounds to me like he choses dial-up when there really is an alternative. It costs more to shut off the analog video feed anyway. Basic cable generally only pays for the upkeep of the lines and delivery system.
Sounds to me like he choses dial-up when there really is an alternative. It costs more to shut off the analog video feed anyway. Basic cable generally only pays for the upkeep of the lines and delivery system.
Well, it costs 70 or 80 bucks a month, and that's sort of ridiculous
My bad. I should have been more specific. I was referring to the faster dual-layer 8x SuperDrive that was omitted from the 15-inch MBP.
Any chance that will be in the 17"?
oh
well personally I would think not, since the reason it was omitted from the 15 inch was because it couldn't fit and still be an inch thin. I'm sure the 17inch will be an inch as well.
Originally posted by AppleinsiderThe flagship Apple notebook is expected to debut at speeds faster than the company's 2.0GHz 15-inch MacBook Pro and pack additional storage capacity, well-placed sources have said.
This just means a bigger standard HD people.
And maybe the processor will be 2.33 instead of the 2.16 I put back in early april, but I doubt it.
And maybe the processor will be 2.33 instead of the 2.16 I put back in early april, but I doubt it.
Why $2899? Wishful thinking? Because I think it's almost a certainty that it'll be $2999... And when exactly is Intel planning to deliver those 2.33ghz processors? I wonder if Apple will have the 2.16ghz 17-inch notebooks "shipping now" and then have an option for 2.33ghz that'll ship in "3-4 weeks".
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Originally posted by Brian Green
Might we be seeing the beginning of Flash Memory with the 17"? Seems power is always the number one issue. Not having to spin a disk has to help. No real inside info here, but I am curious.
Proud owner of a 15" 2.16 GHz MacBook Pro
I can't imagine how using flash memory would change things much.
Just to replace the disk drive for temporary storage why not just increase the amount of DRAM? Or use an HD with a larger buffer? Much faster and comparably priced.
For nonvolatile memory why not just use the HD? Adding a few gigabytes of flash wouldnt' change things much but it would bump the price by $100 or more.
The newer HDs are using less and less power and they are faster so they need to be powered up for less time. I'm open to new things, but this doesn't seem obvious to me.
I would be interested in a high capacity drive for this laptop. One of the new 160GB drives would be cool.
Originally posted by neutrino23
I can't imagine how using flash memory would change things much.
...
The newer HDs are using less and less power and they are faster so they need to be powered up for less time. I'm open to new things, but this doesn't seem obvious to me.
Right.
To put it in perspective, a laptop hard drive uses about 2.5W max for the fastest spinning ones and that is when it is writing, reading is lower. The thermal design power of the Intel Mobile CPUs is 25W. I don't know what the screen backlight takes, assume max of 25W. Assuming flash cuts power in half, it would not noticibly affect battery life, unless you will notice a couple extra minutes.
I'll consider one of the 160's when it is available in SATA form.
Originally posted by AppleInsider
In the past, Apple has also offered its professional customers a smaller notebook offering in the form of the 12-inch PowerBook G4. However, sources close to the company have been unable to turn up any evidence that Apple will carry the petite notebook design over to its Intel MacBook Pro product line.
Instead, the Cupertino, Calif.-based Mac maker is expected to supplement its 12-inch model with a pair of "MacBook" consumer notebooks sporting a 13-inch widescreen display and Intel Core Duo processors. Their release, however, is now rumored to have been pushed back to "next month."
One can still hope that this is merely a matter of priorty in timing releases... 15" Pro, 17" Pro, 13" non-Pro... and then, perhaps, a 13" Pro model.
Lack of "evidence" found by "sources close to the company" (however that evidence is gathered, and with whatever degree of reliability) could merely mean a small-size Mac Book Pro is further out in planning than other products.
I'm not saying Apple hasn't dumped the idea of a sub-15" MacBook Pro, but I'm surprised at how so many people seem as if they're actually eager to believe that this is true.
Originally posted by slughead
Apple releasing a defective product isn't a problem?
I'm pretty sure the person you are quoting meant problems that haven't been resolved. People have been getting replacements for the machines that had problems.
Originally posted by JeffDM
I'm pretty sure the person you are quoting meant problems that haven't been resolved. People have been getting replacements for the machines that had problems.
I'm the one he quoted, and yes, that is what I meant (though it may not have been completely clear). There is another thread here somewhere concerning the updated firmware for the Intel based machines that mentioned Apple's swapping out (not fixing) machines with the known problems.
Disclaimer - I'm not affected by any of the problems (I have a Core Duo iMac) so I can't vouch for actual experience getting the problems resolved.
Originally posted by wilco
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Has there been documented problems with the W86 models?
Yes. Why don't you take the time to check before you spout off?
Well, in my googling, reports of W86 problems was minimal. So, I'm simply assuming there's no widespread problems, and that the reported problems only affect a small minority. Therefore the claim that Apple needs to release a "15 inch MacBook Pro that actually works" sounds whiny to me.
Originally posted by Corey
Any chance of a Superdrive in the 17"?
Is that not a given?
Originally posted by pmjoe
When I saw that the article said "flagship MacBook Pro" I was hoping that meant they decided to add a modem.
Why? A 17" MacBook won't be a cheap machine. Anyone who can afford one can afford to stay in a hotel with a free wifi hotspot.
Originally posted by Kolchak
Why? A 17" MacBook won't be a cheap machine. Anyone who can afford one can afford to stay in a hotel with a free wifi hotspot.
Believe it or not, there are some area's where there is no hi-speed internet options. The area where my dad works has only has a cable-modem option, and to get that you have to subscribe to all the lousy cable quality channels. So he's forced to use dial-up.
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Believe it or not, there are some area's where there is no hi-speed internet options. The area where my dad works has only has a cable-modem option, and to get that you have to subscribe to all the lousy cable quality channels. So he's forced to use dial-up.
Sounds to me like he choses dial-up when there really is an alternative. It costs more to shut off the analog video feed anyway. Basic cable generally only pays for the upkeep of the lines and delivery system.
Originally posted by JeffDM
Sounds to me like he choses dial-up when there really is an alternative. It costs more to shut off the analog video feed anyway. Basic cable generally only pays for the upkeep of the lines and delivery system.
Well, it costs 70 or 80 bucks a month, and that's sort of ridiculous
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Is that not a given?
My bad. I should have been more specific. I was referring to the faster dual-layer 8x SuperDrive that was omitted from the 15-inch MBP.
Any chance that will be in the 17"?
Originally posted by Corey
My bad. I should have been more specific. I was referring to the faster dual-layer 8x SuperDrive that was omitted from the 15-inch MBP.
Any chance that will be in the 17"?
oh
well personally I would think not, since the reason it was omitted from the 15 inch was because it couldn't fit and still be an inch thin. I'm sure the 17inch will be an inch as well.
Originally posted by ecking
$2899 MacBook Pro
17" Widescreen
2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
1GB memory
120GB 5400rpm HD
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB GDDR3 memory
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Built in iSight
Apple Remote
That's your 17" machine gentlemen and ladies!
Originally posted by AppleinsiderThe flagship Apple notebook is expected to debut at speeds faster than the company's 2.0GHz 15-inch MacBook Pro and pack additional storage capacity, well-placed sources have said.
This just means a bigger standard HD people.
And maybe the processor will be 2.33 instead of the 2.16 I put back in early april, but I doubt it.
Originally posted by ecking
This just means a bigger standard HD people.
And maybe the processor will be 2.33 instead of the 2.16 I put back in early april, but I doubt it.
Why $2899? Wishful thinking? Because I think it's almost a certainty that it'll be $2999... And when exactly is Intel planning to deliver those 2.33ghz processors? I wonder if Apple will have the 2.16ghz 17-inch notebooks "shipping now" and then have an option for 2.33ghz that'll ship in "3-4 weeks".