I hate importing movies into iTunes right now because it puts them into my music library and the videos folder. I'd really like it to pick one or the other. Could we have multiple libraries in iTunes that aren't tied to the main music library? Make the video "folder" a library, make the podcast "folder" a library. That alone would make me VERY happy.
I think podcasts are saved in a single Podcasts folder hierarchy under the main iTunes Music folder. Maybe you could alias or symlink that Podcasts folder to another location?
There ought to be a way to at least select a few main root folders directly within iTunes instead of everything being lumped under the one iTunes Music folder location. I don't mind (too much) having a single iTunes Library, just give me a bit more flexibility over where the content for it is stored.
But I agree iTunes has bloated to trying to do too much. And more recently added features are poorly implemented. Like folders -- create some folders with identical names and try differentiating them in certain contexts.
The "free" in "free market" is the same kind of thing as the "free" in "free speech"...it is freedom...as opposed to the "free" in "free beer" which means "free of charge".
The original poster suggested by his post ("This is the price of the corporate version of the "free" market ... nothing is free...how can you not be angered by the price put on everything from clean water to the corporate control of public airwaves") that the "free market" system had something to do with things being free of charge. It doesn't. The free market is about having the freedom to choose.
Now, if he had used a different example...such as a monopoly that restricts your freedom to choose other means/providers/ways of obtaining a product or service...that would have made sense.
I didn't interpret his post the same way. I saw it as he was saying "in a free market, you should expect to have to pay for anything that can be charged for." In the case of iTunes, the payment would be being subjected to advertising.
"The free market is about having the freedom to choose."
That may be part of it, but it's debatable whether or not freedom to choose is what free market is "about."
That's why I'm saying I hope this isn't apple attempt to advertise over everything, or advertise over every podcast even if the creator doesn't want it.
What if Apple gave you a free copy of their OS in exchange for you having to be subjected to ads?
I think people are overreacting a bit here. Whatever this is, I'm sure it will be fine.
<Apple Fanboy moment>
Just trust in Apple. Steve would never let them do anything that would detract from the user experience. Steve knows what's best for us, just trust that Apple's got our back.
</Apple Fanboy moment>
The only problem I have with iTunes is the videos being thrown in with it. I'd like a separate app just for movies. People saying that iTunes is total crap because of added functionality that is in their eye's useless are totally overreacting.
And has anyone else noticed that playing movies in iTunes is slow? There's no full screen controls, and skipping around is jerky. I always hit command-r on the movie in iTunes and open it with Quicktime. (I'm speaking specifically about full length feature films that I've ripped, smaller movies are ok, but not TV shows or movies)
Interesting idea. Has anyone tried such a thing with Linux? Or even providing really low-cost (free?) computers with an ad-driven OS?
ad-driven OS seems like an interesting proposition... you'd have to target adds very carefully, though (Google OS anyone?). and then there's the problem where advertisers would demand certain click-through rates or they would stop advertising... then the business model flops.
a few years ago there were some companies that paid you to watch ads while you surfed the net... AllAdvantage, CashFiesta, and some others. i think they're all gone now.
then you have more problems... what prevents you from getting a low-cost (ad-sponsored) computer and then reinstalling another add-free OS?
then there's the issue of ad-placement... will they appear all the time? will they appear when you boot, when you open applications, when you print a document? a small bar at the bottom of the screen? would it get in the way when you watch a dvd movie?
it's an interesting idea though. i wouldn't mind it if the cost of the computer is significantly lower. (30% at least.)
as for graphical ads in podcasts, bring it on. i wouldn't mind it. heck, makes looking at the screen more interesting. and remember that you dont HAVE to look at the ads, you can just open another app and work on that. this is not possible with audio ads.
What if Apple gave you a free copy of their OS in exchange for you having to be subjected to ads?
sounds a lot like Net-Zero circa 1998...it didnt do so hot for dialup internet, and it would only be worse if it were in the OS its self...FYI: There are a lot of folks who would pay to run OSX on their beige hardware (ad-free of course)
As another example of ADs in OSX, when was the last time the Safari pop-up blocker acctually blocked a pop-up? want real blocking, buy pith helmet or, as I do, use adblock in FF.
Yah, all the time. Are you sure its turned on? The only ads it doesn't block are pop down ads.
it's an interesting idea though. i wouldn't mind it if the cost of the computer is significantly lower. (30% at least.)
That sortof already happens: The $299 Dell special o' the moment comes loaded with bloaty ad/sales ware. You think Dell puts Muscimatch (with store), real (pushing their stuper-pass, games and store(rhapsody)), AOL, Quicken trial, and probably more since the last time I set up OEM home-grade PCs without a kickback?
Now: order the same thing from the "small business" side, get XP pro and little to none of the crap and includion of install media for Windows for about $100 more than the "blue plate special"
That is not what "free" market is about. It is about free as in speech, not free as in beer.
Sorry Chris, I was so vague that you missed my point. I wanted to be brief since I was being off topic a bit. What I meant of course was that a "free" market means the unconstrained market of goods and services. You are only ad-free as long as a company voluntarily keeps their goods and services ad-free. No one should have a problem with the philosophy or some of the basic "rights" of corporations regarding this small aspect of a free market, BUT we can't pretend that the market is really free, even in that sense. A "free" market forces everyone to compete even when competition makes the social, ecological and computing environments degraded. Wal-Mart forces other companies to lower wages and expectations of service. Cheap imported wood forces local logging companies to quickly clearcut to compete on prices. Microsoft forces other companies to lower services or pimp the computing arena to compete on price. The "free" market as formulated in America today encourages monopolies and a race to the bottom, unless you don't mind working your @$$ off (like Apple) to hold on to a devoted 5% of the market. That is the cost of a "free" market. Kind of like the cost of getting "free" cell service if you put a tower on your roof.
To topic: I assume Apple has kept ads to a very minimum (other than the QT "ad") so that the experience is better; it doesn't resemble a TV experience (which Jobs hates) and Apple margins were high enough not to need them. IF Apple changes this policy, it would most likely be in response to a market force of some sort that encourages Apple to go against its policy. We don't know if or when this happens, but the best thing is to complain to the company and hope that it factors your feelings into its bottom line.
I wish Apple would get rid of an annoying piece of advertising that's been in since the beginning (or at least version 2?): that annoying white Apple logo that pops up when you're trying to enjoy your music with visualizers.
I wish Apple would get rid of an annoying piece of advertising that's been in since the beginning (or at least version 2?): that annoying white Apple logo that pops up when you're trying to enjoy your music with visualizers.
That's the best logo in the whole world! How can you not want it there?!
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Originally posted by AgNuke1707
I hate importing movies into iTunes right now because it puts them into my music library and the videos folder. I'd really like it to pick one or the other. Could we have multiple libraries in iTunes that aren't tied to the main music library? Make the video "folder" a library, make the podcast "folder" a library. That alone would make me VERY happy.
I think podcasts are saved in a single Podcasts folder hierarchy under the main iTunes Music folder. Maybe you could alias or symlink that Podcasts folder to another location?
There ought to be a way to at least select a few main root folders directly within iTunes instead of everything being lumped under the one iTunes Music folder location. I don't mind (too much) having a single iTunes Library, just give me a bit more flexibility over where the content for it is stored.
But I agree iTunes has bloated to trying to do too much. And more recently added features are poorly implemented. Like folders -- create some folders with identical names and try differentiating them in certain contexts.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
The "free" in "free market" is the same kind of thing as the "free" in "free speech"...it is freedom...as opposed to the "free" in "free beer" which means "free of charge".
The original poster suggested by his post ("This is the price of the corporate version of the "free" market ... nothing is free...how can you not be angered by the price put on everything from clean water to the corporate control of public airwaves") that the "free market" system had something to do with things being free of charge. It doesn't. The free market is about having the freedom to choose.
Now, if he had used a different example...such as a monopoly that restricts your freedom to choose other means/providers/ways of obtaining a product or service...that would have made sense.
I didn't interpret his post the same way. I saw it as he was saying "in a free market, you should expect to have to pay for anything that can be charged for." In the case of iTunes, the payment would be being subjected to advertising.
"The free market is about having the freedom to choose."
That may be part of it, but it's debatable whether or not freedom to choose is what free market is "about."
Originally posted by ecking
That's why I'm saying I hope this isn't apple attempt to advertise over everything, or advertise over every podcast even if the creator doesn't want it.
What if Apple gave you a free copy of their OS in exchange for you having to be subjected to ads?
Originally posted by wilco
What if Apple gave you a free copy of their OS in exchange for you having to be subjected to ads?
Interesting idea. Has anyone tried such a thing with Linux? Or even providing really low-cost (free?) computers with an ad-driven OS?
<Apple Fanboy moment>
Just trust in Apple. Steve would never let them do anything that would detract from the user experience. Steve knows what's best for us, just trust that Apple's got our back.
</Apple Fanboy moment>
The only problem I have with iTunes is the videos being thrown in with it. I'd like a separate app just for movies. People saying that iTunes is total crap because of added functionality that is in their eye's useless are totally overreacting.
And has anyone else noticed that playing movies in iTunes is slow? There's no full screen controls, and skipping around is jerky. I always hit command-r on the movie in iTunes and open it with Quicktime. (I'm speaking specifically about full length feature films that I've ripped, smaller movies are ok, but not TV shows or movies)
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
iTunes is free.
NO -- For Mac/iPod users, the term is INCLUDED...it is only "free" to non-iPod iwners who run windows.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
Interesting idea. Has anyone tried such a thing with Linux? Or even providing really low-cost (free?) computers with an ad-driven OS?
ad-driven OS seems like an interesting proposition... you'd have to target adds very carefully, though (Google OS anyone?). and then there's the problem where advertisers would demand certain click-through rates or they would stop advertising... then the business model flops.
a few years ago there were some companies that paid you to watch ads while you surfed the net... AllAdvantage, CashFiesta, and some others. i think they're all gone now.
then you have more problems... what prevents you from getting a low-cost (ad-sponsored) computer and then reinstalling another add-free OS?
then there's the issue of ad-placement... will they appear all the time? will they appear when you boot, when you open applications, when you print a document? a small bar at the bottom of the screen? would it get in the way when you watch a dvd movie?
it's an interesting idea though. i wouldn't mind it if the cost of the computer is significantly lower. (30% at least.)
as for graphical ads in podcasts, bring it on. i wouldn't mind it. heck, makes looking at the screen more interesting. and remember that you dont HAVE to look at the ads, you can just open another app and work on that. this is not possible with audio ads.
Originally posted by wilco
What if Apple gave you a free copy of their OS in exchange for you having to be subjected to ads?
sounds a lot like Net-Zero circa 1998...it didnt do so hot for dialup internet, and it would only be worse if it were in the OS its self...FYI: There are a lot of folks who would pay to run OSX on their beige hardware (ad-free of course)
Originally posted by a_greer
As another example of ADs in OSX, when was the last time the Safari pop-up blocker acctually blocked a pop-up? want real blocking, buy pith helmet or, as I do, use adblock in FF.
Yah, all the time. Are you sure its turned on? The only ads it doesn't block are pop down ads.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
Interesting idea. Has anyone tried such a thing with Linux? Or even providing really low-cost (free?) computers with an ad-driven OS?
A couple of companies have toyed with the idea (I think even Microsoft looked into it.) It universally pissed everyone off too much, I believe.
Originally posted by monkeyastronaut
it's an interesting idea though. i wouldn't mind it if the cost of the computer is significantly lower. (30% at least.)
That sortof already happens: The $299 Dell special o' the moment comes loaded with bloaty ad/sales ware. You think Dell puts Muscimatch (with store), real (pushing their stuper-pass, games and store(rhapsody)), AOL, Quicken trial, and probably more since the last time I set up OEM home-grade PCs without a kickback?
Now: order the same thing from the "small business" side, get XP pro and little to none of the crap and includion of install media for Windows for about $100 more than the "blue plate special"
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
That is not what "free" market is about. It is about free as in speech, not free as in beer.
Sorry Chris, I was so vague that you missed my point. I wanted to be brief since I was being off topic a bit. What I meant of course was that a "free" market means the unconstrained market of goods and services. You are only ad-free as long as a company voluntarily keeps their goods and services ad-free. No one should have a problem with the philosophy or some of the basic "rights" of corporations regarding this small aspect of a free market, BUT we can't pretend that the market is really free, even in that sense. A "free" market forces everyone to compete even when competition makes the social, ecological and computing environments degraded. Wal-Mart forces other companies to lower wages and expectations of service. Cheap imported wood forces local logging companies to quickly clearcut to compete on prices. Microsoft forces other companies to lower services or pimp the computing arena to compete on price. The "free" market as formulated in America today encourages monopolies and a race to the bottom, unless you don't mind working your @$$ off (like Apple) to hold on to a devoted 5% of the market. That is the cost of a "free" market. Kind of like the cost of getting "free" cell service if you put a tower on your roof.
To topic: I assume Apple has kept ads to a very minimum (other than the QT "ad") so that the experience is better; it doesn't resemble a TV experience (which Jobs hates) and Apple margins were high enough not to need them. IF Apple changes this policy, it would most likely be in response to a market force of some sort that encourages Apple to go against its policy. We don't know if or when this happens, but the best thing is to complain to the company and hope that it factors your feelings into its bottom line.
Originally posted by rasnet
I wish Apple would get rid of an annoying piece of advertising that's been in since the beginning (or at least version 2?): that annoying white Apple logo that pops up when you're trying to enjoy your music with visualizers.