lol, NP. I was just looking at a Blue Ray Burner yesterday. But I have to say I'm not ready to shell out $500.00 so my computer can write 25GB disks yet. That's like the price of a new Mini, or almost the cost of a PS3. Chances of Apple putting one in standard like a new Superdrive is slim. I'm sure there will be an optional one in there shortly though. And I was also really surprised that at $1.00 a GB (approx.) the Media is quite expensive comparatively.
I think in about 2 years every professional Mac will probably have one standard.
I guess Blu-Ray as an option then. I make HiDef DVDs for a business and currently have to master Blu-Ray format to hard drive from DVD HD Pro. I hoped if Apple took them on in a large way then the price would drop too and maybe get the market moving.
It only seems a while ago I was writing a similar comment somewhere about DVD burners in a Mac!
As long as there are two competing formats I'd prefer Apple kept the HD optical recording drive as a BTO option. I'll have a Blu-Ray player by 2008 but I'll also have an HD DVD player and it's too early to ascertain if one of these formats is gone by then or will we still have two.
Apple is clearly going to support both for the time being with authoring tools.
Perhaps someone will develop a dual format read / write device and let the market decide which media wins.
If history is repeated the winner may only be in the consumer arena - Many in the video business still have very expensive Beta decks to this day for SD video, they are Betacam SP now but developed from the 'losing' Beta. My point being we video folk may need both anyway.
Perhaps someone will develop a dual format read / write device and let the market decide which media wins.
If history is repeated the winner may only be in the consumer arena - Many in the video business still have very expensive Beta decks to this day for SD video, they are Betacam SP now but developed from the 'losing' Beta. My point being we video folk may need both anyway.
AT CES 2006, I was very much after the latest in the HD DVD and Blu-ray standards dispute.
It?s a complete mess, just like the one we experienced at some five years ago at CeBit, when the DVD-R chaps squared up against the DVD+R chaps. It ended up as DVD+/-RW and every recorder that you buy today supports both discs.
Now, we learn that Samsung will be the first manufacturer to release a device that is capable of playing both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs.
This is what we, and especially our US cousins, actually need. When it comes to High Definition content, the United States is far ahead of Europe. We still lack content, devices and the transition from Standard to High Definition is rather slow.
But it would be patently ridiculous to have to go out and buy two players, one for HD DVD and one for Blu-Ray. We checked some prices in the US and you will have to pay at least $399 for a player - and that?s a lot of money. They are still not readily available in the stores but they will be in a month or two. In the USA, that is.
Samsung will be the first to deliver a combo drive but the others will soon follow, delivering a solution to this crazy dispute about standards. We will try to get some more information about the device itself and some of the specifications. It should come out this summer.
AT CES 2006, I was very much after the latest in the HD DVD and Blu-ray standards dispute.
It?s a complete mess, just like the one we experienced at some five years ago at CeBit, when the DVD-R chaps squared up against the DVD+R chaps. It ended up as DVD+/-RW and every recorder that you buy today supports both discs.
Now, we learn that Samsung will be the first manufacturer to release a device that is capable of playing both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs.
This is what we, and especially our US cousins, actually need. When it comes to High Definition content, the United States is far ahead of Europe. We still lack content, devices and the transition from Standard to High Definition is rather slow.
But it would be patently ridiculous to have to go out and buy two players, one for HD DVD and one for Blu-Ray. We checked some prices in the US and you will have to pay at least $399 for a player - and that?s a lot of money. They are still not readily available in the stores but they will be in a month or two. In the USA, that is.
Samsung will be the first to deliver a combo drive but the others will soon follow, delivering a solution to this crazy dispute about standards. We will try to get some more information about the device itself and some of the specifications. It should come out this summer.
its already been done
It is a dual format burner (Blu-Ray / HD DVD) not just player I and many will need. Did you see those too?
AT CES 2006, I was very much after the latest in the HD DVD and Blu-ray standards dispute.
It?s a complete mess, just like the one we experienced at some five years ago at CeBit, when the DVD-R chaps squared up against the DVD+R chaps. It ended up as DVD+/-RW and every recorder that you buy today supports both discs.
Now, we learn that Samsung will be the first manufacturer to release a device that is capable of playing both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs.
This is what we, and especially our US cousins, actually need. When it comes to High Definition content, the United States is far ahead of Europe. We still lack content, devices and the transition from Standard to High Definition is rather slow.
But it would be patently ridiculous to have to go out and buy two players, one for HD DVD and one for Blu-Ray. We checked some prices in the US and you will have to pay at least $399 for a player - and that?s a lot of money. They are still not readily available in the stores but they will be in a month or two. In the USA, that is.
Samsung will be the first to deliver a combo drive but the others will soon follow, delivering a solution to this crazy dispute about standards. We will try to get some more information about the device itself and some of the specifications. It should come out this summer.
its already been done
Samsung has repeatedly stated they currently do NOT have any plans on releasing a Blu-ray / HD DVD combo player so I wouldn't be expecting one.
As far as your price that you quoted, I don't know of any Blu-ray or HD DVD player you can get for less than $499.
Granted, there are companies like Ricoh who have developed technologies that bring the physically incompatible formats in Blu-ray and HD DVD closer to the feasiblility of a Universal player, however, we are still far from the actual implementation of such a player.
Physical barriers can almost always be overcome, but it seems like here, it is political and legal barriers that are most evident.
As far as I understand it, Samsung was developing a player for both formats, then discovered that its contract with one of the forums forbid it from doing so.
Physical barriers can almost always be overcome, but it seems like here, it is political and legal barriers that are most evident.
As far as I understand it, Samsung was developing a player for both formats, then discovered that its contract with one of the forums forbid it from doing so.
I'm sure that is true. If you make a Blu-ray player, you are licensing the Blu-ray tech. I'm sure I heard that in that license, it states you cannot make a Blu-ray player also read HD-DVDs.
I now want to answer my own original question... with a wild guess
What drive for r/w will be in new high end Macs...?
After further research I suspect that the new desk top mac will have a Pioneer BDR-101A drive in it at the high end of the model range perhaps as an option perhaps not. Apple could get a much lower price that these are currently being sold at with a huge buy. My guess is end user price for these around $550 as an option from Apple.
I bet updates to FCPro suite will fully support this drive if it doesn't already.
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
OK that's my prediction.
There is no point in dropping CD support. It's an optical format which can be read my DVD drives and hopefully all blu-ray drives. It's not like floppy discs. If Apple dropped support for them that would just be retarded.
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
OK that's my prediction.
There is no point in dropping CD support. It's an optical format which can be read my DVD drives and hopefully all blu-ray drives. It's not like floppy discs. If Apple dropped support for them that would just be retarded.
Retarded eh? Check out the Pioneer press release for the drive I was mentioning, which does not list CD as one of the supported audio formats which might be an error but so far that's what it says. It was only a bit of fun by me predicting what might be. I recall similar 'enlightened' comments when predictions were around that Steve might drop 3.5 Floppy Drives and he did, that is my whole point for this light hearted prediction. Now, spit out that bait
Yea, but CDs are still huge (selling by the billions) in the music industry. iTunes would become quite useless if you couldn't rip your CDs, wouldn't it?
Retarded eh? Check out the Pioneer press release for the drive I was mentioning, which does not list CD as one of the supported audio formats which might be an error but so far that's what it says. It was only a bit of fun by me predicting what might be. I recall similar 'enlightened' comments when predictions were around that Steve might drop 3.5 Floppy Drives and he did, that is my whole point for this light hearted prediction. Now, spit out that bait
Using the floppy drives as an example of why Apple might drop the CD format is not applicable here. It's not like the technology replacing floppy disks were exactly the same dimensions as the floppy disk.
Yes - totally different. Dropping the internal modem is, however, just like the floppy, and it's already happened. You're more likely to see them drop wired ethernet now that WiFi does 'sorta' the same job.
Yea, but CDs are still huge (selling by the billions) in the music industry. iTunes would become quite useless if you couldn't rip your CDs, wouldn't it?
Once I ripped all my CDs to iTunes I only use iTunes to update our various iPods, I have never burned an audio CD in years it seems. Obviously I needed a CD compatible drive to do this in the first place but they are all ripped now.
As for software on CDs, most of mine seems to be on DVDs these days and soon most could be.
I suspect Audio DVDs will emerge soon since the quality of them blows away 'CD' quality.
Remember I am only suggesting this may happen at the high end Macs. My business is High Definition Video and DVDs, I have plenty of other Macs for low end stuff as I'm sure anyone else with the top end Mac desktops do.
Anyway we will all see soon hopefully and I would perfectly happy to be wrong. It's just a hunch.
Apple is not going to include a $1000 drive in a Mac that's already going to be expensive.
What are you going to burn to Blu-Ray? Sure people authoring video discs could use it be the rest of the people simply aren't going to care.
Before anyone starts yammering about how Apple went with the Pioneer DVD-Burner let me hip you to little fact. I was selling that Pioneer drive and it was LOADED with margin.
I now want to answer my own original question... with a wild guess
What drive for r/w will be in new high end Macs...?
After further research I suspect that the new desk top mac will have a Pioneer BDR-101A drive in it at the high end of the model range perhaps as an option perhaps not. Apple could get a much lower price that these are currently being sold at with a huge buy. My guess is end user price for these around $550 as an option from Apple.
I bet updates to FCPro suite will fully support this drive if it doesn't already.
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
OK that's my prediction.
I too, think Apple will be placing a Blu-ray drive in the next PowerMac, however, they will surely be putting in a drive that is 100% backward compatible in terms of optical disc playback--a la the CD.
It is important to note that although the initial offering of the Pioneer drive doesn't support CD playback, MOST Blu-ray PC drives will be 100% compatible (Philips drive, Panasonic, BenQ, etc. and most likely future drives from Pioneer). Personally, I'm of the opinion, that only the few of the initial sprinklings of Blu-ray drive--like the early Pioneer model you speak of--lack CD playback to basically get the format out there. Again, Apple will most assuredly include Blu-ray drives that will be able to play CDs.
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I think in about 2 years every professional Mac will probably have one standard.
I guess Blu-Ray as an option then. I make HiDef DVDs for a business and currently have to master Blu-Ray format to hard drive from DVD HD Pro. I hoped if Apple took them on in a large way then the price would drop too and maybe get the market moving.
It only seems a while ago I was writing a similar comment somewhere about DVD burners in a Mac!
Apple is clearly going to support both for the time being with authoring tools.
If history is repeated the winner may only be in the consumer arena - Many in the video business still have very expensive Beta decks to this day for SD video, they are Betacam SP now but developed from the 'losing' Beta. My point being we video folk may need both anyway.
Originally posted by digitalclips
Perhaps someone will develop a dual format read / write device and let the market decide which media wins.
If history is repeated the winner may only be in the consumer arena - Many in the video business still have very expensive Beta decks to this day for SD video, they are Betacam SP now but developed from the 'losing' Beta. My point being we video folk may need both anyway.
AT CES 2006, I was very much after the latest in the HD DVD and Blu-ray standards dispute.
It?s a complete mess, just like the one we experienced at some five years ago at CeBit, when the DVD-R chaps squared up against the DVD+R chaps. It ended up as DVD+/-RW and every recorder that you buy today supports both discs.
Now, we learn that Samsung will be the first manufacturer to release a device that is capable of playing both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs.
This is what we, and especially our US cousins, actually need. When it comes to High Definition content, the United States is far ahead of Europe. We still lack content, devices and the transition from Standard to High Definition is rather slow.
But it would be patently ridiculous to have to go out and buy two players, one for HD DVD and one for Blu-Ray. We checked some prices in the US and you will have to pay at least $399 for a player - and that?s a lot of money. They are still not readily available in the stores but they will be in a month or two. In the USA, that is.
Samsung will be the first to deliver a combo drive but the others will soon follow, delivering a solution to this crazy dispute about standards. We will try to get some more information about the device itself and some of the specifications. It should come out this summer.
its already been done
AT CES 2006, I was very much after the latest in the HD DVD and Blu-ray standards dispute.
It?s a complete mess, just like the one we experienced at some five years ago at CeBit, when the DVD-R chaps squared up against the DVD+R chaps. It ended up as DVD+/-RW and every recorder that you buy today supports both discs.
Now, we learn that Samsung will be the first manufacturer to release a device that is capable of playing both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs.
This is what we, and especially our US cousins, actually need. When it comes to High Definition content, the United States is far ahead of Europe. We still lack content, devices and the transition from Standard to High Definition is rather slow.
But it would be patently ridiculous to have to go out and buy two players, one for HD DVD and one for Blu-Ray. We checked some prices in the US and you will have to pay at least $399 for a player - and that?s a lot of money. They are still not readily available in the stores but they will be in a month or two. In the USA, that is.
Samsung will be the first to deliver a combo drive but the others will soon follow, delivering a solution to this crazy dispute about standards. We will try to get some more information about the device itself and some of the specifications. It should come out this summer.
its already been done
It is a dual format burner (Blu-Ray / HD DVD) not just player I and many will need. Did you see those too?
Originally posted by Digital Disasta
AT CES 2006, I was very much after the latest in the HD DVD and Blu-ray standards dispute.
It?s a complete mess, just like the one we experienced at some five years ago at CeBit, when the DVD-R chaps squared up against the DVD+R chaps. It ended up as DVD+/-RW and every recorder that you buy today supports both discs.
Now, we learn that Samsung will be the first manufacturer to release a device that is capable of playing both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs.
This is what we, and especially our US cousins, actually need. When it comes to High Definition content, the United States is far ahead of Europe. We still lack content, devices and the transition from Standard to High Definition is rather slow.
But it would be patently ridiculous to have to go out and buy two players, one for HD DVD and one for Blu-Ray. We checked some prices in the US and you will have to pay at least $399 for a player - and that?s a lot of money. They are still not readily available in the stores but they will be in a month or two. In the USA, that is.
Samsung will be the first to deliver a combo drive but the others will soon follow, delivering a solution to this crazy dispute about standards. We will try to get some more information about the device itself and some of the specifications. It should come out this summer.
its already been done
Samsung has repeatedly stated they currently do NOT have any plans on releasing a Blu-ray / HD DVD combo player so I wouldn't be expecting one.
As far as your price that you quoted, I don't know of any Blu-ray or HD DVD player you can get for less than $499.
Granted, there are companies like Ricoh who have developed technologies that bring the physically incompatible formats in Blu-ray and HD DVD closer to the feasiblility of a Universal player, however, we are still far from the actual implementation of such a player.
As far as I understand it, Samsung was developing a player for both formats, then discovered that its contract with one of the forums forbid it from doing so.
David
Originally posted by iMacfan
Physical barriers can almost always be overcome, but it seems like here, it is political and legal barriers that are most evident.
As far as I understand it, Samsung was developing a player for both formats, then discovered that its contract with one of the forums forbid it from doing so.
I'm sure that is true. If you make a Blu-ray player, you are licensing the Blu-ray tech. I'm sure I heard that in that license, it states you cannot make a Blu-ray player also read HD-DVDs.
I've read rumors that vendors complained about any language prohibiting universal drives and thus that may have been stripped. I'm hoping that's it.
What drive for r/w will be in new high end Macs...?
After further research I suspect that the new desk top mac will have a Pioneer BDR-101A drive in it at the high end of the model range perhaps as an option perhaps not. Apple could get a much lower price that these are currently being sold at with a huge buy. My guess is end user price for these around $550 as an option from Apple.
I bet updates to FCPro suite will fully support this drive if it doesn't already.
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
OK that's my prediction.
Originally posted by digitalclips
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
OK that's my prediction.
There is no point in dropping CD support. It's an optical format which can be read my DVD drives and hopefully all blu-ray drives. It's not like floppy discs. If Apple dropped support for them that would just be retarded.
posted 07-14-2006 09:05 AM \t
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Originally posted by digitalclips
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
OK that's my prediction.
There is no point in dropping CD support. It's an optical format which can be read my DVD drives and hopefully all blu-ray drives. It's not like floppy discs. If Apple dropped support for them that would just be retarded.
Retarded eh? Check out the Pioneer press release for the drive I was mentioning, which does not list CD as one of the supported audio formats which might be an error but so far that's what it says. It was only a bit of fun by me predicting what might be. I recall similar 'enlightened' comments when predictions were around that Steve might drop 3.5 Floppy Drives and he did, that is my whole point for this light hearted prediction. Now, spit out that bait
Originally posted by digitalclips
Retarded eh? Check out the Pioneer press release for the drive I was mentioning, which does not list CD as one of the supported audio formats which might be an error but so far that's what it says. It was only a bit of fun by me predicting what might be. I recall similar 'enlightened' comments when predictions were around that Steve might drop 3.5 Floppy Drives and he did, that is my whole point for this light hearted prediction. Now, spit out that bait
Using the floppy drives as an example of why Apple might drop the CD format is not applicable here. It's not like the technology replacing floppy disks were exactly the same dimensions as the floppy disk.
David
Originally posted by digitalclips
...
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
...
When Apple dropped the floppy drive, most retail software was distributed on CD. Today, it still is.
Yea, but CDs are still huge (selling by the billions) in the music industry. iTunes would become quite useless if you couldn't rip your CDs, wouldn't it?
Once I ripped all my CDs to iTunes I only use iTunes to update our various iPods, I have never burned an audio CD in years it seems. Obviously I needed a CD compatible drive to do this in the first place but they are all ripped now.
As for software on CDs, most of mine seems to be on DVDs these days and soon most could be.
I suspect Audio DVDs will emerge soon since the quality of them blows away 'CD' quality.
Remember I am only suggesting this may happen at the high end Macs. My business is High Definition Video and DVDs, I have plenty of other Macs for low end stuff as I'm sure anyone else with the top end Mac desktops do.
Anyway we will all see soon hopefully and I would perfectly happy to be wrong. It's just a hunch.
What are you going to burn to Blu-Ray? Sure people authoring video discs could use it be the rest of the people simply aren't going to care.
Before anyone starts yammering about how Apple went with the Pioneer DVD-Burner let me hip you to little fact. I was selling that Pioneer drive and it was LOADED with margin.
The Blu-Ray drive are not.
Originally posted by digitalclips
I now want to answer my own original question... with a wild guess
What drive for r/w will be in new high end Macs...?
After further research I suspect that the new desk top mac will have a Pioneer BDR-101A drive in it at the high end of the model range perhaps as an option perhaps not. Apple could get a much lower price that these are currently being sold at with a huge buy. My guess is end user price for these around $550 as an option from Apple.
I bet updates to FCPro suite will fully support this drive if it doesn't already.
I also predict Apple at the high end will drop CD support just as they dropped floppy support to howls of protest while PC makes added them for years.
OK that's my prediction.
I too, think Apple will be placing a Blu-ray drive in the next PowerMac, however, they will surely be putting in a drive that is 100% backward compatible in terms of optical disc playback--a la the CD.
It is important to note that although the initial offering of the Pioneer drive doesn't support CD playback, MOST Blu-ray PC drives will be 100% compatible (Philips drive, Panasonic, BenQ, etc. and most likely future drives from Pioneer). Personally, I'm of the opinion, that only the few of the initial sprinklings of Blu-ray drive--like the early Pioneer model you speak of--lack CD playback to basically get the format out there. Again, Apple will most assuredly include Blu-ray drives that will be able to play CDs.