I too, think Apple will be placing a Blu-ray drive in the next PowerMac, however, they will surely be putting in a drive that is 100% backward compatible in terms of optical disc playback--a la the CD.
It is important to note that although the initial offering of the Pioneer drive doesn't support CD playback, MOST Blu-ray PC drives will be 100% compatible (Philips drive, Panasonic, BenQ, etc. and most likely future drives from Pioneer). Personally, I'm of the opinion, that only the few of the initial sprinklings of Blu-ray drive--like the early Pioneer model you speak of--lack CD playback to basically get the format out there. Again, Apple will most assuredly include Blu-ray drives that will be able to play CDs.
I really hope so and i think you are probably 100% correct. I was only kidding in part. However, one day soon 650 MB will be laughable and I guarantee Apple will be the first to not support CDs if technology moves past where backward compatability adds a few more $s.
There is not enough money to put BD-recorders in a Mac. Apple is going to have to be sensible.
We all know the price of Intel procs now and Woodcrest isn't cheap..it performas well but adding one or two of them makes for an expensive enough computer. Then you have the higher cost of FB-DIMM
There is no need to put a format in that is $1 a Gigabyte for recoerdable media and $1k for the drives. Unless you enjoy buying $4000 computers.
Be patient...let the market grow and eventually we'll have our options but taking leave of your common sense right now isn't going to do you any favors.
Apple has to get the Mac Pros and Xserves running on intel and the last thing they need is to support a fledgling format that have very few authoring tools for Mac.
There is not enough money to put BD-recorders in a Mac. Apple is going to have to be sensible.
We all know the price of Intel procs now and Woodcrest isn't cheap..it performas well but adding one or two of them makes for an expensive enough computer. Then you have the higher cost of FB-DIMM
There is no need to put a format in that is $1 a Gigabyte for recoerdable media and $1k for the drives. Unless you enjoy buying $4000 computers.
Be patient...let the market grow and eventually we'll have our options but taking leave of your common sense right now isn't going to do you any favors.
Apple has to get the Mac Pros and Xserves running on intel and the last thing they need is to support a fledgling format that have very few authoring tools for Mac.
Apple could have very well already developed authoring tools for the Mac for Blu-ray as Sony, Panasonic, and others have already done so, we don't know, because Apple keeps those things under wraps. Time will tell.
I think in January 2007 we will see them integrated into the Mac Pros as the initial push in supporting Blu-ray. But, who knows maybe Apple will give me a pleasant suprise earlier...
There is not enough money to put BD-recorders in a Mac. Apple is going to have to be sensible.
We all know the price of Intel procs now and Woodcrest isn't cheap..it performas well but adding one or two of them makes for an expensive enough computer. Then you have the higher cost of FB-DIMM
There is no need to put a format in that is $1 a Gigabyte for recoerdable media and $1k for the drives. Unless you enjoy buying $4000 computers.
Be patient...let the market grow and eventually we'll have our options but taking leave of your common sense right now isn't going to do you any favors.
Apple has to get the Mac Pros and Xserves running on intel and the last thing they need is to support a fledgling format that have very few authoring tools for Mac.
I think your comments are too personally focussed. For those of us in the High Definition video business $4,000 would be not be an issue. Final Cut HD suite is not cheap either, nor a high definition video cameras but we have those items now but no way to make the DVDs without a Blu-ray burner. The market is new and exciting and I absolutely believe Apple will offer a Blu-ray burner very soon.
My company already has several High Definition DVDs ready for the market and I can't wait to be able to make a few 'one offs' for marketing prior to mass production.
Apple could have very well already developed authoring tools for the Mac for Blu-ray as Sony, Panasonic, and others have already done so, we don't know, because Apple keeps those things under wraps. Time will tell.
I think in January 2007 we will see them integrated into the Mac Pros as the initial push in supporting Blu-ray. But, who knows maybe Apple will give me a pleasant suprise earlier...
Then they would have announced the tools at NAB. I guess they could still make IBC but I doubt they launch a new Final Cut Pro Studio until Next NAB. There's no rush. I'm sure Apple's going to have the authoring tools in the next DVD SP version but the price of current Blu-Ray recorders coupled with the dearth of Blu-Laser diodes means low availability. That means no BD-R as a standard optical drive. Common sense
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I think your comments are too personally focussed
Methink thou doth protest too much. Would you conjecture that a majority of people buying Mac Pros are doing exactly what you are?
I don't doubt that we'll see Blu-Ray as a BTO option, much like the way the expensive DVD-RAM parts were BTO options on the early Dual G4s.
As far as the "format war" is concerned, on performance alone, Blu-Ray is nicer for computorial usage than HD-DVD, since it has larger capacity and greater potential for improving capacity in time. With personal HDs getting bigger than 250GB, having that extra capacity is not as trivial as one might think.
DVD Pro HD already deals with Blu-Ray Hi Def DVDs. It is one of the optional outputs. I have created many on the hard drive. I doubt the drivers for a particular burner are a big deal.
Then they would have announced the tools at NAB. I guess they could still make IBC but I doubt they launch a new Final Cut Pro Studio until Next NAB. There's no rush. I'm sure Apple's going to have the authoring tools in the next DVD SP version but the price of current Blu-Ray recorders coupled with the dearth of Blu-Laser diodes means low availability. That means no BD-R as a standard optical drive. Common sense
Methink thou doth protest too much. Would you conjecture that a majority of people buying Mac Pros are doing exactly what you are?
First as I said earlier Apple already support Blu-Ray in DVD Pro HD.
Second ... Let me see, the Winter Olympics coverage was done in HD using Macs and FCPro, the World Cup Soccer coverage was done in HD using Macs and FCPro ...to mention just two recent events. So I suspect Apple do know they have a huge success in the video world once dominated by Avid et al. That world is now HD and that means Hi Def DVDs will be in your local store sooner than you may think. So yes I think a lot of high end Macs will be going to the film and video production world. A world not totally unfamiliar to Steve Jobs either. Hence my initial statement that i think we will see a Blu-Ray burner in a high end Mac very soon. Common sense.
And your wrong. Do you really want to get publically embarrased on this one? DVD SP 4 authors Type 1 HD DVD discs. There's no iHD support for HD DVD and absolutely no support for Blu-Ray as of the current shipping product.
Burn discs containing both an SD and an HD project
You can likely expect BTO options until sometime in 2007 when we have a clear idea about where the format battle is headed. They I'd expect to see Apple make a choice depending on who they feel will be the winner.
Until then keep cranking out good video and Blu-Ray or HD DVD will be upon us soon enough. Regard
And your wrong. Do you really want to get publically embarrased on this one? DVD SP 4 authors Type 1 HD DVD discs. There's no iHD support for HD DVD and absolutely no support for Blu-Ray as of the current shipping product.
Burn discs containing both an SD and an HD project
You can likely expect BTO options until sometime in 2007 when we have a clear idea about where the format battle is headed. They I'd expect to see Apple make a choice depending on who they feel will be the winner.
Until then keep cranking out good video and Blu-Ray or HD DVD will be upon us soon enough. Regard
Your option is for "Blue Laser" not Blu-Ray and the 15GB maximum corresponds to a single layer HD DVD disc.
I think we'll see targets for both platforms in the next version such as .
Radial Button-> Blu-Ray with 25GB and 50GB options
Radial Button-> HD DVD with 15GB and 30GB options.
What's your camera? I'm envious of the toys you must have. Regards
I could have selected Dual sided but i don't need 30 GIGS.
We shoot with Sony FX1s and they have been fabulous. Editing is effortless and the only pain in the butt has been making SD versions. We made SD first and then upgraded the projects to HD and swapped out media.
I think this version of DVD Pro HD is all but a tweak off driving a Sony Blu-Ray burner, perhaps just a driver through Software Update. Hence my strong suspicion they are comming
You can check out clips from the first DVD at www.digitalclips.com. I made all the web kayak clips directly from the HD footage and most are 680 x 360 and one at 960 x 540. I think you will agree (your internet connection allowing) this is stuff looks pretty good on the web compared to NTSC!
The best part is spending days on the Gulf of Mexico on a boat and getting paid
What about blu-ray R's for the MAC mini. I have one running as part of my home theater now (DVI to 42" HD Hitachi Display) but it would be awesome to have a blu-ray reader. Too Expensive? Perhaps BTO, but Apple doesn't seem to keen on too many BTO options for the mini. It's seems It's meant to be, I mean the optical connection w/ support for 5.1 makes it so easy! and though I bashed front row at first it's pretty sweet to.
BTW I thought I did received a bulletin from apple that said blu-ray DVD support was in the latest build. I have to look when I get back to the studio. I'm running 5.1 of Studio Pro, what about you guys?
What about blu-ray R's for the MAC mini. I have one running as part of my home theater now (DVI to 42" HD Hitachi Display) but it would be awesome to have a blu-ray reader. Too Expensive? Perhaps BTO, but Apple doesn't seem to keen on too many BTO options for the mini. It's seems It's meant to be, I mean the optical connection w/ support for 5.1 makes it so easy! and though I bashed front row at first it's pretty sweet to.
BTW I thought I did received a bulletin from apple that said blu-ray DVD support was in the latest build. I have to look when I get back to the studio. I'm running 5.1 of Studio Pro, what about you guys?
A reader should be much less expensive than the writer.
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I too, think Apple will be placing a Blu-ray drive in the next PowerMac, however, they will surely be putting in a drive that is 100% backward compatible in terms of optical disc playback--a la the CD.
It is important to note that although the initial offering of the Pioneer drive doesn't support CD playback, MOST Blu-ray PC drives will be 100% compatible (Philips drive, Panasonic, BenQ, etc. and most likely future drives from Pioneer). Personally, I'm of the opinion, that only the few of the initial sprinklings of Blu-ray drive--like the early Pioneer model you speak of--lack CD playback to basically get the format out there. Again, Apple will most assuredly include Blu-ray drives that will be able to play CDs.
I really hope so and i think you are probably 100% correct. I was only kidding in part. However, one day soon 650 MB will be laughable and I guarantee Apple will be the first to not support CDs if technology moves past where backward compatability adds a few more $s.
We all know the price of Intel procs now and Woodcrest isn't cheap..it performas well but adding one or two of them makes for an expensive enough computer. Then you have the higher cost of FB-DIMM
There is no need to put a format in that is $1 a Gigabyte for recoerdable media and $1k for the drives. Unless you enjoy buying $4000 computers.
Be patient...let the market grow and eventually we'll have our options but taking leave of your common sense right now isn't going to do you any favors.
Apple has to get the Mac Pros and Xserves running on intel and the last thing they need is to support a fledgling format that have very few authoring tools for Mac.
Originally posted by hmurchison
There is not enough money to put BD-recorders in a Mac. Apple is going to have to be sensible.
We all know the price of Intel procs now and Woodcrest isn't cheap..it performas well but adding one or two of them makes for an expensive enough computer. Then you have the higher cost of FB-DIMM
There is no need to put a format in that is $1 a Gigabyte for recoerdable media and $1k for the drives. Unless you enjoy buying $4000 computers.
Be patient...let the market grow and eventually we'll have our options but taking leave of your common sense right now isn't going to do you any favors.
Apple has to get the Mac Pros and Xserves running on intel and the last thing they need is to support a fledgling format that have very few authoring tools for Mac.
Apple could have very well already developed authoring tools for the Mac for Blu-ray as Sony, Panasonic, and others have already done so, we don't know, because Apple keeps those things under wraps. Time will tell.
I think in January 2007 we will see them integrated into the Mac Pros as the initial push in supporting Blu-ray. But, who knows maybe Apple will give me a pleasant suprise earlier...
There is not enough money to put BD-recorders in a Mac. Apple is going to have to be sensible.
We all know the price of Intel procs now and Woodcrest isn't cheap..it performas well but adding one or two of them makes for an expensive enough computer. Then you have the higher cost of FB-DIMM
There is no need to put a format in that is $1 a Gigabyte for recoerdable media and $1k for the drives. Unless you enjoy buying $4000 computers.
Be patient...let the market grow and eventually we'll have our options but taking leave of your common sense right now isn't going to do you any favors.
Apple has to get the Mac Pros and Xserves running on intel and the last thing they need is to support a fledgling format that have very few authoring tools for Mac.
I think your comments are too personally focussed. For those of us in the High Definition video business $4,000 would be not be an issue. Final Cut HD suite is not cheap either, nor a high definition video cameras but we have those items now but no way to make the DVDs without a Blu-ray burner. The market is new and exciting and I absolutely believe Apple will offer a Blu-ray burner very soon.
My company already has several High Definition DVDs ready for the market and I can't wait to be able to make a few 'one offs' for marketing prior to mass production.
Originally posted by marzetta7
Apple could have very well already developed authoring tools for the Mac for Blu-ray as Sony, Panasonic, and others have already done so, we don't know, because Apple keeps those things under wraps. Time will tell.
I think in January 2007 we will see them integrated into the Mac Pros as the initial push in supporting Blu-ray. But, who knows maybe Apple will give me a pleasant suprise earlier...
Then they would have announced the tools at NAB. I guess they could still make IBC but I doubt they launch a new Final Cut Pro Studio until Next NAB. There's no rush. I'm sure Apple's going to have the authoring tools in the next DVD SP version but the price of current Blu-Ray recorders coupled with the dearth of Blu-Laser diodes means low availability. That means no BD-R as a standard optical drive. Common sense
I think your comments are too personally focussed
Methink thou doth protest too much. Would you conjecture that a majority of people buying Mac Pros are doing exactly what you are?
As far as the "format war" is concerned, on performance alone, Blu-Ray is nicer for computorial usage than HD-DVD, since it has larger capacity and greater potential for improving capacity in time. With personal HDs getting bigger than 250GB, having that extra capacity is not as trivial as one might think.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Then they would have announced the tools at NAB. I guess they could still make IBC but I doubt they launch a new Final Cut Pro Studio until Next NAB. There's no rush. I'm sure Apple's going to have the authoring tools in the next DVD SP version but the price of current Blu-Ray recorders coupled with the dearth of Blu-Laser diodes means low availability. That means no BD-R as a standard optical drive. Common sense
Methink thou doth protest too much. Would you conjecture that a majority of people buying Mac Pros are doing exactly what you are?
First as I said earlier Apple already support Blu-Ray in DVD Pro HD.
Second ... Let me see, the Winter Olympics coverage was done in HD using Macs and FCPro, the World Cup Soccer coverage was done in HD using Macs and FCPro ...to mention just two recent events. So I suspect Apple do know they have a huge success in the video world once dominated by Avid et al. That world is now HD and that means Hi Def DVDs will be in your local store sooner than you may think. So yes I think a lot of high end Macs will be going to the film and video production world. A world not totally unfamiliar to Steve Jobs either. Hence my initial statement that i think we will see a Blu-Ray burner in a high end Mac very soon. Common sense.
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/...l?dvdstudiopro
No Blu-Ray
but....
DVD Standards
Author traditional DVDs using SD assets
Author HD DVDs using SD and HD assets
Burn discs containing both an SD and an HD project
You can likely expect BTO options until sometime in 2007 when we have a clear idea about where the format battle is headed. They I'd expect to see Apple make a choice depending on who they feel will be the winner.
Until then keep cranking out good video and Blu-Ray or HD DVD will be upon us soon enough. Regard
Originally posted by hmurchison
And your wrong. Do you really want to get publically embarrased on this one? DVD SP 4 authors Type 1 HD DVD discs. There's no iHD support for HD DVD and absolutely no support for Blu-Ray as of the current shipping product.
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/...l?dvdstudiopro
No Blu-Ray
but....
DVD Standards
Author traditional DVDs using SD assets
Author HD DVDs using SD and HD assets
Burn discs containing both an SD and an HD project
You can likely expect BTO options until sometime in 2007 when we have a clear idea about where the format battle is headed. They I'd expect to see Apple make a choice depending on who they feel will be the winner.
Until then keep cranking out good video and Blu-Ray or HD DVD will be upon us soon enough. Regard
Your option is for "Blue Laser" not Blu-Ray and the 15GB maximum corresponds to a single layer HD DVD disc.
I think we'll see targets for both platforms in the next version such as .
Radial Button-> Blu-Ray with 25GB and 50GB options
Radial Button-> HD DVD with 15GB and 30GB options.
What's your camera? I'm envious of the toys you must have. Regards
Originally posted by hmurchison
Whew I almost got owned there but note this.
Your option is for "Blue Laser" not Blu-Ray and the 15GB maximum corresponds to a single layer HD DVD disc.
I think we'll see targets for both platforms in the next version such as .
Radial Button-> Blu-Ray with 25GB and 50GB options
Radial Button-> HD DVD with 15GB and 30GB options.
What's your camera? I'm envious of the toys you must have. Regards
I could have selected Dual sided but i don't need 30 GIGS.
We shoot with Sony FX1s and they have been fabulous. Editing is effortless and the only pain in the butt has been making SD versions. We made SD first and then upgraded the projects to HD and swapped out media.
I think this version of DVD Pro HD is all but a tweak off driving a Sony Blu-Ray burner, perhaps just a driver through Software Update. Hence my strong suspicion they are comming
You can check out clips from the first DVD at www.digitalclips.com. I made all the web kayak clips directly from the HD footage and most are 680 x 360 and one at 960 x 540. I think you will agree (your internet connection allowing) this is stuff looks pretty good on the web compared to NTSC!
The best part is spending days on the Gulf of Mexico on a boat and getting paid
BTW I thought I did received a bulletin from apple that said blu-ray DVD support was in the latest build. I have to look when I get back to the studio. I'm running 5.1 of Studio Pro, what about you guys?
Originally posted by spliff monkey
What about blu-ray R's for the MAC mini. I have one running as part of my home theater now (DVI to 42" HD Hitachi Display) but it would be awesome to have a blu-ray reader. Too Expensive? Perhaps BTO, but Apple doesn't seem to keen on too many BTO options for the mini. It's seems It's meant to be, I mean the optical connection w/ support for 5.1 makes it so easy! and though I bashed front row at first it's pretty sweet to.
BTW I thought I did received a bulletin from apple that said blu-ray DVD support was in the latest build. I have to look when I get back to the studio. I'm running 5.1 of Studio Pro, what about you guys?
A reader should be much less expensive than the writer.