What are you talking about? Everything I said so far is true and fact. We are not talking about acts of faith here.
It wasn't so much directed solely to you but many people on this thread, but actually saying something like this
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Or if you're smart like me, you won't bother, because AV slows down your computer and in generally pisses everybody off and makes babies cry.
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Look for the luminescent apple. If your laptop has one, then you don't have any spyware.
sounds to me more like an act of faith than proper answer to proper question asked by someone who wants to learn.
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Who seriously said that? You're making up stuff again.
Look above.
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Good backpedaling. Your first post sets the stage...
I maybe trolled litte too much in the first post, but I still don't see backpedaling, giving unrelevant answers, or more likely just mocking the whole question comes to me like over confidence, maybe smug means something else to you, but I've allways understood it that way, but then again english is not my primary language.
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I don't know about anyone else, but that seems to denote that we are rubes that buy anything Apple feeds us. As if the fact that no viruses exist, is simply a side effect of Steve Jobs reality distortion field and it's just a matter of time 'til reality sets in. Your other posts hint to this also.
Unfortunately the reality may set in some day, so believing in things like reality distortion field, or it's healing powers, is just careless, teaching people what to do in the first place sounds more reasonable to me, also there were few very good answers in the begining of the thread, and people who gave them hopefully know them selfs.
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I would argue that Macs are exemplary digital citizens. They don't allow malware to infect them in the first place. This prevents further spreading the virus to every person in its address book. It does not allow itself to be taken over by Trojan downloaders or spyware that infects every computer on a local network. They are by design better digital citizens. Perhaps you should apply your rule to the digital deviants that Microsoft has created.
So, because someone else does worse job, you don't have to care at all?
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Who died and appointed you hero of the stupid. These are the people that need to learn things the hard way. Why appoint yourself as spokesman for them?
I was taught to believe there are no stupid questions, turning thread to farce helps no one.
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Fine, educate till your face is blue, no-one here faults you for that. However, most of the posts here were rather helpful, some were humorous, and then a few were sarcastic. You took the opportunity to attack the "smug Mac fan-boys" and to imply ignorance to the threat of invasion. You don't believe this, do you? Is it possible that we choose to continue to use a Mac BECAUSE we realize the threat?
So apparently giving sarcastic answers isn't ignorance to threat to you, I kind of feel otherwice. If you made consious desicion good for you, but denying the possibility from others not giving them proper answers is other thing.
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How exactly do you discuss virus and A/V on a mac without mentioning the HUGE fact that there are no viruses for the Man? That's what is happening here. My rundown was for educational purposes, that you now profess to care about, bat you also fluffed that off, in light of your perceived threat of a looming master-virus or something.
Just like any other matter, giving proper answers, telling facts, acknowledging the fact that nothings 100% secure, and most of all not ridiculing the question.
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You succeeded in getting me riled up, so I guess you accomplished your goal. But what was the point? You knew all this already. perhaps we helped educate someone in the process, right?
I kind of hoped that people would take security issues more seriously, but I realize now how stupid I was, macs just don't have security issues period. Funny how different things piss different people, undermining security issues rubs me wrong way, calling others smug riled you up. If no-one else learned anything, at least I was reminded again, how easy it is to piss people on online.
First you imply we are simpleton "fan-boys" and that we are ignoring some future threat.
When caledl to the carpet on that, your second approach was that this exorcize was for educational purposes.
When that is dispatched, you now relegate this exorcise to proving how easy it is to piss people off.
Which is it?
I'm not pissed off, by the way. That's why I put these little things in there
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If being a mac fan makes you feel like a simpleton, that I can't help, also ignoring future threats is bit questionable, but so far it has been safe to do, but being rude for people asking for proper questions, that still irritates me. No matter how superior you feel this OS is, you should still acknowledge that it still isn't 100% safe. Telling others anything else is IMHO irresponsible, especially if what he asked was how to scan for viruses(windows or any other kind) from his computer. Proper answer should have been something what Ireland, mynamehere and Darth_Apple demonstrated. Why others even bothered is beyond me.
First you say that I got you all rilled up, and next thing you say that you are not irritated, which is it? I can't read invisible smileys nor could I have known that those smileys that came after three sentences were actually meant for the first sentence.
But knowing what you do, which makes you feel safer? Windows running an antivirus program, or OSX not running any? If you still say Windows, then you are being intellectually dishonest.
I'd like to answer C) mac user who checks out his outgoing attachments for viruses.
I'd like to answer C) mac user who checks out his outgoing attachments for viruses.
Why is it up to the Mac user? It did not originate or propagate from his computer. It started at a windows box. Why does that guy get a pass? I bet that guy has AV on his computer already.
You seem to think it's incumbent on Mc users to protect PC users, a lot of whom are on their second and third PC, that are disposable at this point - they get a virus and it is just cheaper and easier to replace the computer than mess with fixing the virus and the artifactual problems they leave behind. This is especially true for small businesses.
Do you know how many PC's I have in my shop that customers have given me?
I really think you should be on PCinsider railing against the "smug PC fan-boys" there for being lured into thinking that any AV will immunize them from attack - all the while spreading 200,000 viruses simply by the choice of the computers they buy an the OS they use. This puts them and their data, their companies, their security, their peace of mind, all at risk.
I cannot find any UNIX viruses that exist "in the wild". So that would mean that since 1969 - 37 years - we have no viruses that effect Unix. It took about 5 years of MSDOS to evoke the first virus. Since we do not have an actual "in the wild" virus for Unix we can't really predict how long it will take to get to the point that windows/dos has.
So if the first "in the wild" virus occurred today, then to get to the point that windows has it would take another 20 years at least. But since unix is less widely implemented that might be double if ever. Unix is not windows, so that figure might then be doubled again.
However I have an Idea for a virus for the Mac...
This is the email (the transfer method) that the infected person will receive:
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YOU HAVE NOW RECEIVED THE VERY FIRST MAC VIRUS
honor.sys works this way - If you?re running a distribution of Unix or Linux, forward this message to all Mac users you know and delete a handful of your own files at random.
Why is it up to the Mac user? It did not originate or propagate from his computer. It started at a windows box. Why does that guy get a pass? I bet that guy has AV on his computer already.
Unfortunately there are still Windows pc's that don't have AV, Macro viruses could affect also other systems not just windows, also as you and others have said, there are no virus definitions immediately after new virus appears, but meanwhile the attachments linger in your email inbox the definitions could have been updated. If you don't have any important contacts who still use windows PC's or attachments, good for you. If you don't care potentially infecting people using PC's thats your decision. I, and apparently/hopefully CityGuy88 still care. Scanning those few files that get forwarded is such a small price for the ease of mind.
I don't see what the problem here is. In the 3rd reply of this thread I mentioned twice that Outlook propagates PC viruses. By the fifth reply, the poster already had several antivirus suggestions, free and pay, as well as some links to let him/her know more about viruses on the Mac.
At that point, the original poster had been informed that his/her computer was not really at risk at this point and that he/she had the ability to check for PC viruses.
If you have a problem with the background noise, as you state in your original post, that's one thing. But the rest of your complaints fall away once you realize that by the 5th reply the user had a good response according to your own criteria.
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Originally posted by MachOneFL
What are you talking about? Everything I said so far is true and fact. We are not talking about acts of faith here.
It wasn't so much directed solely to you but many people on this thread, but actually saying something like this
Or if you're smart like me, you won't bother, because AV slows down your computer and in generally pisses everybody off and makes babies cry.
or
Look for the luminescent apple. If your laptop has one, then you don't have any spyware.
sounds to me more like an act of faith than proper answer to proper question asked by someone who wants to learn.
Who seriously said that? You're making up stuff again.
Look above.
Good backpedaling. Your first post sets the stage...
I maybe trolled litte too much in the first post, but I still don't see backpedaling, giving unrelevant answers, or more likely just mocking the whole question comes to me like over confidence, maybe smug means something else to you, but I've allways understood it that way, but then again english is not my primary language.
I don't know about anyone else, but that seems to denote that we are rubes that buy anything Apple feeds us. As if the fact that no viruses exist, is simply a side effect of Steve Jobs reality distortion field and it's just a matter of time 'til reality sets in. Your other posts hint to this also.
Unfortunately the reality may set in some day, so believing in things like reality distortion field, or it's healing powers, is just careless, teaching people what to do in the first place sounds more reasonable to me, also there were few very good answers in the begining of the thread, and people who gave them hopefully know them selfs.
I would argue that Macs are exemplary digital citizens. They don't allow malware to infect them in the first place. This prevents further spreading the virus to every person in its address book. It does not allow itself to be taken over by Trojan downloaders or spyware that infects every computer on a local network. They are by design better digital citizens. Perhaps you should apply your rule to the digital deviants that Microsoft has created.
So, because someone else does worse job, you don't have to care at all?
Who died and appointed you hero of the stupid. These are the people that need to learn things the hard way. Why appoint yourself as spokesman for them?
I was taught to believe there are no stupid questions, turning thread to farce helps no one.
Fine, educate till your face is blue, no-one here faults you for that. However, most of the posts here were rather helpful, some were humorous, and then a few were sarcastic. You took the opportunity to attack the "smug Mac fan-boys" and to imply ignorance to the threat of invasion. You don't believe this, do you? Is it possible that we choose to continue to use a Mac BECAUSE we realize the threat?
So apparently giving sarcastic answers isn't ignorance to threat to you, I kind of feel otherwice. If you made consious desicion good for you, but denying the possibility from others not giving them proper answers is other thing.
How exactly do you discuss virus and A/V on a mac without mentioning the HUGE fact that there are no viruses for the Man? That's what is happening here. My rundown was for educational purposes, that you now profess to care about, bat you also fluffed that off, in light of your perceived threat of a looming master-virus or something.
Just like any other matter, giving proper answers, telling facts, acknowledging the fact that nothings 100% secure, and most of all not ridiculing the question.
You succeeded in getting me riled up, so I guess you accomplished your goal. But what was the point? You knew all this already. perhaps we helped educate someone in the process, right?
I kind of hoped that people would take security issues more seriously, but I realize now how stupid I was, macs just don't have security issues period. Funny how different things piss different people, undermining security issues rubs me wrong way, calling others smug riled you up. If no-one else learned anything, at least I was reminded again, how easy it is to piss people on online.
One day there might be a Mac virus.... It is unlikely but possible.
But running silly AV software will not protect you against it. You might as well rub your screen with a magic rabbit's foot.
C.
Originally posted by Carniphage
But running silly AV software will not protect you against it. You might as well rub your screen with a magic rabbit's foot.
C.
Cannot stop laughing!
Listen to yourself...
First you imply we are simpleton "fan-boys" and that we are ignoring some future threat.
When caledl to the carpet on that, your second approach was that this exorcize was for educational purposes.
When that is dispatched, you now relegate this exorcise to proving how easy it is to piss people off.
Which is it?
I'm not pissed off, by the way. That's why I put these little things in there
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Originally posted by MachOneFL
Dude,
Listen to yourself...
First you imply we are simpleton "fan-boys" and that we are ignoring some future threat.
When caledl to the carpet on that, your second approach was that this exorcize was for educational purposes.
When that is dispatched, you now relegate this exorcise to proving how easy it is to piss people off.
Which is it?
I'm not pissed off, by the way. That's why I put these little things in there
------>
If being a mac fan makes you feel like a simpleton, that I can't help, also ignoring future threats is bit questionable, but so far it has been safe to do, but being rude for people asking for proper questions, that still irritates me. No matter how superior you feel this OS is, you should still acknowledge that it still isn't 100% safe. Telling others anything else is IMHO irresponsible, especially if what he asked was how to scan for viruses(windows or any other kind) from his computer. Proper answer should have been something what Ireland, mynamehere and Darth_Apple demonstrated. Why others even bothered is beyond me.
First you say that I got you all rilled up, and next thing you say that you are not irritated, which is it? I can't read invisible smileys nor could I have known that those smileys that came after three sentences were actually meant for the first sentence.
Originally posted by tonton
But knowing what you do, which makes you feel safer? Windows running an antivirus program, or OSX not running any? If you still say Windows, then you are being intellectually dishonest.
I'd like to answer C) mac user who checks out his outgoing attachments for viruses.
Originally posted by Project2501
I'd like to answer C) mac user who checks out his outgoing attachments for viruses.
Why is it up to the Mac user? It did not originate or propagate from his computer. It started at a windows box. Why does that guy get a pass? I bet that guy has AV on his computer already.
You seem to think it's incumbent on Mc users to protect PC users, a lot of whom are on their second and third PC, that are disposable at this point - they get a virus and it is just cheaper and easier to replace the computer than mess with fixing the virus and the artifactual problems they leave behind. This is especially true for small businesses.
Do you know how many PC's I have in my shop that customers have given me?
I really think you should be on PCinsider railing against the "smug PC fan-boys" there for being lured into thinking that any AV will immunize them from attack - all the while spreading 200,000 viruses simply by the choice of the computers they buy an the OS they use. This puts them and their data, their companies, their security, their peace of mind, all at risk.
I cannot find any UNIX viruses that exist "in the wild". So that would mean that since 1969 - 37 years - we have no viruses that effect Unix. It took about 5 years of MSDOS to evoke the first virus. Since we do not have an actual "in the wild" virus for Unix we can't really predict how long it will take to get to the point that windows/dos has.
So if the first "in the wild" virus occurred today, then to get to the point that windows has it would take another 20 years at least. But since unix is less widely implemented that might be double if ever. Unix is not windows, so that figure might then be doubled again.
However I have an Idea for a virus for the Mac...
This is the email (the transfer method) that the infected person will receive:
--------
YOU HAVE NOW RECEIVED THE VERY FIRST MAC VIRUS
honor.sys works this way - If you?re running a distribution of Unix or Linux, forward this message to all Mac users you know and delete a handful of your own files at random.
Have a great day,
Bwahahaha.
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Originally posted by MachOneFL
Why is it up to the Mac user? It did not originate or propagate from his computer. It started at a windows box. Why does that guy get a pass? I bet that guy has AV on his computer already.
Unfortunately there are still Windows pc's that don't have AV, Macro viruses could affect also other systems not just windows, also as you and others have said, there are no virus definitions immediately after new virus appears, but meanwhile the attachments linger in your email inbox the definitions could have been updated. If you don't have any important contacts who still use windows PC's or attachments, good for you. If you don't care potentially infecting people using PC's thats your decision. I, and apparently/hopefully CityGuy88 still care. Scanning those few files that get forwarded is such a small price for the ease of mind.
Originally posted by Project2501
I'd like to answer C) mac user who checks out his outgoing attachments for viruses.
A Mac user who sends potentially infected attachments via email does not need AV.
They need need the **** beating out of them.
C
At that point, the original poster had been informed that his/her computer was not really at risk at this point and that he/she had the ability to check for PC viruses.
If you have a problem with the background noise, as you state in your original post, that's one thing. But the rest of your complaints fall away once you realize that by the 5th reply the user had a good response according to your own criteria.
--B
Originally posted by tonton
If a virus is ever written for Mac, the AV software developers will make a fortune! Because Mac users will suddenly buy their software.
That would be all the people that just switched from Windows to Mac will buy virus software. Veterans of the Mac won't bother. I know I won't.