Who isnt going to "purchase" a .mac account?

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  • Reply 41 of 56
    popmetalpopmetal Posts: 95member
    If the plan was to be family friendly, it shouldn't charge extra for the additional email addresses. And even if it does, they shouldn't be "email-only," they should also work with iChat and allow you take advantage of iCal integration and whatever other services come in the future. In addition to that, you should be able to divide the 100MB iDisk so each family member can, for the sake of simplicity, have their own personal iDisk that corresponds to their email. Now, that would be a very family friendly .Mac! The way it is now, you have to pay $400 for a 4 member family to take full advantage. That's more than the $276 per year AOL charges for their services and for access. Again, that's preposterous!



    If Apple wants to charge $99 per year per person, that's fine, but I will not pay for it. And if because of that I won't be able to take full advantage of Jaguar, I will not bother upgrading to it also. And I am not alone. An overwhelming majority is pissed off. So I am not sure if what you're saying about 'subscription services being the future' is gonna happen. If Apple can't get its user base to pay for it when they are offering good services, Microsoft will have an even harder time selling their crap to its ambivalent user base. The way I see it, subscription services are dead on arrival. They will either have to be canned, or they will have to be changed to accommodate the majority.



    [ 07-19-2002: Message edited by: popmetal ]</p>
  • Reply 42 of 56
    stevesteve Posts: 523member
    [quote]Originally posted by popmetal:

    <strong>If the plan was to be family friendly, it shouldn't charge extra for the additional email addresses. And even if it does, they shouldn't be "email-only," they should also work with iChat and allow you take advantage of iCal integration and whatever other services come in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    They do. You just don't get the iDisk.



    [quote]<strong>In addition to that, you should be able to divide the 100MB iDisk so each family member can, for the sake of simplicity, have their own personal iDisk that corresponds to their email.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You get password protected folders. I don't work for Apple, so I honestly can't say why they wouldn't go with a divider plan, as it sounds like a rather good idea, now that I think about it.



    [quote]<strong>The way it is now, you have to pay $400 for a 4 member family to take full advantage. That's more than the $276 per year AOL charges for their services and for access. Again, that's preposterous!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Read above.



    [quote]<strong>And if because of that I will not be able to take full advantage of Jaguar, I will not bother upgrading to it also.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You still get all the kick-ass functionality in Jag, though. There's Rendezvous, which will UNDOUBTEDLY come in handy for your family, given that you have multiple users. There's iChat, the best damn IM client I've ever seen. There's Sherlock 3, which needs little introduction. There's Quartz Extreme. There's a wonder-working Address Book, as well as iCal (which allows you to post your calendar anywhere--even without .Mac, if you want to use your own web host). The new Mail and Finder enhancements are fantastic, as well. Saying that .Mac and Jag are the same product is simply a false statement. A HUGE portion of the operating system is available to users without .Mac, and you know it. You DID watch the keynote, didn't you?



    [quote]<strong>And I am not alone. An overwhelming majority is pissed off.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001113"; target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001113</a>;



    Again, it's just the Mac users aged 13-18 (yeah, that's a generalization--sorry if I offended anyone) that are bullshitted because they can no longer create six million iTools accounts and/or don't have a credit card to pay for it. The rest of the industry--as well as the rest of intelligent Mac users--don't really seem to have a problem with this. I wonder why that is? Perhaps because every single other internet-based storage/email/services company on earth has gone subscription (or stayed free, and allows you to remove the "shittiness" from their service by paying for it)? Because Apple "cares" about you, you want them to waste their bandwidth and disk space to hold your collection of Dragon Ball Z movies spread across 27 different iDisks. Two words: Grow up.



    How exactly do you expect Apple to make money off the service? How do you expect them to commoditize all this? The Internet isn't just some big play land--it's corporate America, damn it.



    Again, I really don't want to be this blunt, but when people are saying things like, "Oh, I can't afford it--I already have to pay for the electicity, phone, access, etc." and complain that Apple should change their entire pay model to accommodate your needs, it really makes my blood boil. That kind of selfishness is really aggrivating. If you can't afford it, or have other priorities--fine, don't subscribe. But sure as hell don't bitch about it / start a half-assed petition to take back your "right" for free email / demand Apple selectively offer certain services to compromise their plan of "The Big Picture."



    [quote]<strong>So I am not sure if what you're saying about 'subscription services being the future' is gonna happen. If Apple can't get its user base to pay for it when they are offering good services, Microsoft will have an even harder time selling their crap to its ambivalent user base. The way I see it, subscription services are dead on arrival. They will either have to be canned, or they will have to be changed to accommodate the majority.<hr></blockquote></strong>



    It will admittedly take a while for the shock to wear off that you just can't blindly rob companies of their bandwidth and disk space left and right. The Internet is undergoing a transition. Free this and free that was more of an incentive to get the Internet popular. The same can be said for Napster and the countless other things that didn't really make much sense from a business perspective. The Internet was a fledgling concept back then. Congress didn't even open up the ability to buy things on the 'net until 1996, so it really hasn't been that long.



    People will come around to subscription services, the same way that they pay for cable channels, caller-ID on their phones, etc. It'll take some time, to be certain, but it'll happen eventually. Until then, stop trying to falsely predict the downfall of web services and go post in that thread I linked to above, and rally support for Jag, .Mac, and The Big Picture.



    ...Apple really should've called .Mac, "The Big Picture," I tell you, because as it is, some of you just aren't getting it.



    [ 07-19-2002: Message edited by: Jon Rubinstein ]</p>
  • Reply 43 of 56
    popmetalpopmetal Posts: 95member
    I'm 20, I have 2 credit cards, I can afford to pay for .Mac, I am not saying that it should be free, but I don't feel that the price is justified- especially in this economy. I don't like the price so I most likely will not subscribe to it (though I still haven't made a final decision). However, I see no problem with voicing my opinion. If you want reasons, read my .Mac zombies post: <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001154"; target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001154</a>; So you can accuse me of "bitching" and whatnot, but I will still say what I think. Maybe if you didn't generalize so much, you wouldn't be so intolerant. I never started any petitions. I never said that .Mac should be free, I was never a supporter of Napster and free music, I am not 13-18, I don't need 6 million iTools accounts - hell I don't even need one if it's gonna cost $99 per year. I, just like the majority of mac users, want apple and the mac community to know how I feel on issues of concern to us. What's wrong with that? Is an open discussion about this really going to hurt Apple or anyone else? On the contrary, if Apple knows how the majority of us feel, they can come up with a better solution for all of us. The more people Apple accommodates, the more people sign up, the more Apple profits. It's as simple as that.



    [ 07-19-2002: Message edited by: popmetal ]</p>
  • Reply 44 of 56
    stevesteve Posts: 523member
    <a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/analyst_meeting_q302/"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/analyst_meeting_q302/</a>;



    Listen to what Tim Cook has to say.



    EDIT: The last forth in particular.



    [ 07-19-2002: Message edited by: Jon Rubinstein ]</p>
  • Reply 45 of 56
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    Can I suggest all the people who are angry about .Mac give it at least a month then see. The hours following an announcement are rarely the best time and all the details about .Mac still haven't quite come to light yet.



    [quote]Originally posted by popmetal:

    <strong>So I am not sure if what you're saying about 'subscription services being the future' is gonna happen. If Apple can't get its user base to pay for it when they are offering good services, Microsoft will have an even harder time selling their crap to its ambivalent user base. </strong><hr></blockquote>

    Subscription services are indeed the future and you will see more and more of the major players moving down this path. Mainly because they can actually turn a profit with it.



    Too many people have become used to the internet becoming ultimately an incredibly cheap medium compared to the real world and this is going to change.



    The easiest first example of this were the big gaming publications. Virtually all the major players have switched to having some additional subscription service now if you want the premium features. Apple is simply doing the same thing.



    None of their software is unusable without .Mac but this will over time give more premium features to those who have joined and a way for them to recoup some development costs.
  • Reply 46 of 56
    Good points Jon and Telomar.



    .mac is just the beginning. Give it 6 months, see how it evolves. Then, maybe everybody will be signing up left and right.



    Popmetel - It is too bad that Apple no longer offers free e-mail. It is too bad that Apple didn't handle the switch from iTools to .mac a little better. You say in this economy you can't afford .mac, so be it. In this economy Apple can't afford to keep iTools free. Be happy they did for so long.



    You want "free" e-mail? MSN has "free" e-mail as offered above, go try that.
  • Reply 47 of 56
    donnydonny Posts: 231member
    I am not buying .Mac.



    I have already begun switching my e-mail address to us my Comcast account. I can host sites off my computer or on Comcast. Why pay? I can back up my own files, thank-you. It is not a huge task, and it is easier in OS X anyway. Everything has its own folder in your user account folder. Virus protection can come cheaper than 100 a year.



    Plus, I am a bit peeved over my "free for life" e-mail account being shafted by Apple. I can understand the need to charge for the remaining services. However, I trusted them on this e-mail thing, and I switched all my e-mail to my mac account. Now I must switch it all, again. I have a lot more of it now, after 2 years.





    Mac girl... Angelfire has 50 MB for free on their site. It is <a href="http://www.angelfire.com,"; target="_blank">www.angelfire.com,</a> I think... You may wish to check it out for yourself.
  • Reply 48 of 56
    popmetalpopmetal Posts: 95member
    [quote]Originally posted by patmcfar8:

    <strong>Good points Jon and Telomar.



    Popmetel - It is too bad that Apple no longer offers free e-mail. It is too bad that Apple didn't handle the switch from iTools to .mac a little better. You say in this economy you can't afford .mac, so be it. In this economy Apple can't afford to keep iTools free. Be happy they did for so long.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />



    I don't get it! Why are you people so intolerant? Maybe it's because you haven't even read what I said. You automatically come out swinging with accusations just because I am criticizing .Mac but you don't even know where I stand on the issue. In case you didn't notice the first time around, I never claimed that .Mac or email should be free. I explicitly said that I CAN afford .Mac, but can not justify the the high price in this economy. So until get my story straight or until you stop placing a spin on my words, your arguments are irrelevant.
  • Reply 49 of 56
    popmetalpopmetal Posts: 95member
    [quote]Originally posted by Donny:

    <strong>I am not buying .Mac.



    I have already begun switching my e-mail address to us my Comcast account. I can host sites off my computer or on Comcast. Why pay? I can back up my own files, thank-you. It is not a huge task, and it is easier in OS X anyway. Everything has its own folder in your user account folder. Virus protection can come cheaper than 100 a year.



    Plus, I am a bit peeved over my "free for life" e-mail account being shafted by Apple. I can understand the need to charge for the remaining services. However, I trusted them on this e-mail thing, and I switched all my e-mail to my mac account. Now I must switch it all, again. I have a lot more of it now, after 2 years.





    Mac girl... Angelfire has 50 MB for free on their site. It is <a href="http://www.angelfire.com,"; target="_blank">www.angelfire.com,</a> I think... You may wish to check it out for yourself.</strong><hr></blockquote>





    I think that you're right. I haven't made a final decision yet, but I am leaning towards switching away from .mac too.



    And Apple did shaft us with the free for life email offer. I understand that it costs them and that they can't provide it free anymore, but the least they could have done is given us an earlier warning and provided an option for people who are already tied to their mac.com account, but don't need the other .mac services, to keep only the account. Their refusal to do so equates to coercion of mac users to convert to .mac. NOBODY likes to be forced like that. Even greedy Microsoft knows better than to force people to pay for hotmail.
  • Reply 50 of 56
    I don't know what I'll be doing yet. I don't need the email, but the 100MB iDisk is looking rather good. Still, for $100/year I might be able to do a little better if that's all I need? Well, I'll be looking for alternatives, most definitely.
  • Reply 51 of 56
    stevesteve Posts: 523member
    [quote]Originally posted by popmetal:

    <strong>And Apple did shaft us with the free for life email offer.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    <a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2000/jan/05netstrategy.html"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2000/jan/05netstrategy.html</a>; I couldn't find anything that said "Free for life," in this press release.



    <a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf00/"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf00/</a>; And God-damn it, Apple took down the page that used to host the MWSF00 broadcast, the keynote in which Jobs unveiled iTools. NOWHERE does he say the words, "Free for life." I only just rewatched it last month--a viewing inspired by the "Greatest MacWorld Moment" thread--he never says it'll be free for life.



    You've become dellusioned with your own lust for free email, and now you're putting words into Apple's mouth.



    [quote]<strong>I understand that it costs them and that they can't provide it free anymore, but the least they could have done is given us an earlier warning and provided an option for people who are already tied to their mac.com account, but don't need the other .mac services, to keep only the account.<hr></blockquote></strong>



    Dude, it was on ThinkSecret, for, like, TWO WEEKS! You also have 75 days starting on the day Apple OFFICIALLY announced its plans. That's AMPLE time.



    [quote]<strong>Their refusal to do so equates to coercion of mac users to convert to .mac. NOBODY likes to be forced like that. Even greedy Microsoft knows better than to force people to pay for hotmail.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, they just spew ads all over their interface like it's nobody's business, and give you less than 2MB of disk space. God forbid someone should send you a few inline JPEGs, and your whole account busts and gets bombarded by "you're over the limit--delete some crap--no new messages until you do!" If you want to stoop to that level, why don't you just get rid of your Mac and buy an eMachine, while you're at it. Like I said, you still have to pay if you want to remove the utter shittiness of the product. Apple is above Microsoft, because they don't even go down that road.
  • Reply 52 of 56
    craig12cocraig12co Posts: 106member
  • Reply 53 of 56
    travtrav Posts: 3member
    I haven't posted on this .Mac thing yet, so here's how I see it:



    1) $129 for an upgrade- yeah, right. Thank goodness I get the education discount (i.e. for FREE, since paying your technology access fees automatically means you have paid for the rights to the software your school uses).



    2) $50/$100 for .Mac- Did you say .NET... no? Oh, .Mac! Yeah, whatever, I'm getting my own domain for that price.



    3) iSync- CUTTING edge Apple, not bleeding edge.



    4) iCal- neat app, I doubt I'll use it though.



    5) There's a name for when someone gives you something for free, then starts charging for it after they know you're hooked:



    crack dealing!





    <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 54 of 56
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    I have to agree with those who point out that you have a 60 day trial of .Mac, plus the rest of the month in our case to take it for a spin. That is plenty of time.



    People shouldn't feel guilty or obliged to stay with Apple's tools. (I'm not saying that many of you are, but that motivation at least should be put to rest.)



    Also, you can bet that while some feel it's a coercive tactic, Apple wanted to separate the men from the boys in some respect when they formulated this. God knows, I have three mac.com e-mail addresses and while I only use one of my iDisks a lot, there are others who were essentially squatting on multiple iDisks. Now, you can effectively argue that that was Apple's problem, and you would be right. It was a loophole, but now they've more or less plugged it. I know I would do the same thing (though with a two-tier account system ).
  • Reply 55 of 56
    bradbowerbradbower Posts: 1,068member
    It's just fifty bucks.. eh, what the hell. I'll purchase at least three other email-only accounts, in addition.. so there's $80. For 12 months, that's 3 email addresses (not counting all of the other features), making 36, and if you divide $80 by 36, that's $2.23 per account per month. And divide that by 30 (days), you get about 7 and a half cents per day. Would you pay seven and a half cents per day for three great email addresses, delicious webmail access, iDisk, backup crap, virus crap, support forum crap, and more? I would. Now, when it gets to my second year, I dunno.. doubling the price is pretty sufficient in terms of increases. But then again, there will be price drops by then, there will be way more features I'm sure, I'll undoubtedly have even more money to blow on such things, and you might not have to pay in one-year increments. I hope there might even be an education discount.



    So in short, yes. I'll be .Mackin' it.
  • Reply 56 of 56
    revsrevs Posts: 93member
    well after carefull consideration, what the hel, i think i'll be signing up for it. I've spent ages using my @mac.com email and every account i have uses it and everyone i know send my email to @mac.com, so it would be way too mych hassle to change my email account, and hey, it's only $50, thats about £30GBP, thats £2.50 a month, dirt cheap! Working for less than an hour a month pays for .Mac
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