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  • Reply 21 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    Conroe is cheaper than Merom. The same iMac case has been used on the Rev C iMac G5, which had a much higher TDP than Conroe.



    Using two different motherboards on the Mac Pro is costly.
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  • Reply 22 of 59
    nerudaneruda Posts: 440member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by groverat


    Dear Apple,

    I have a Dell desktop that is loud as hell.



    Ah, the little things on the PC side that I don't miss. About 40% of the people in my law school have Dell laptops, and those things sound like jet engines reving up when the fans go on.



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    So if you can provide a reasonably quiet and affordable Conroe/Woodcrest machine capable of performing my tasks at a significantly faster rate than I am currently used to I will buy a new computer from you.



    What specs do you condider affordable and how much do you have to spend?



    I think Apple will answer your letter on Monday
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  • Reply 23 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chucker


    Conroe is cheaper than Merom. The same iMac case has been used on the Rev C iMac G5, which had a much higher TDP than Conroe.



    Using two different motherboards on the Mac Pro is costly.



    Yeah, I really don't know why people keep counting Merom out for the iMac. Granted, we don't know which way Apple will go, but Conroe is an option for sure.
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  • Reply 24 of 59
    benroethigbenroethig Posts: 2,782member
    Conroe is about 20w higher in TDP. Apple has a very quiet system with the iMac and we all know, they are willing to trade speed for elegance and quietness. They're underclocking the mobility x1600 by about 150mhz for the current iMac and MBP just to make it a little bit quieter for God's sake.
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  • Reply 25 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    Nuh-uh, the iMac's X1600 isn't underclocked, only the MBP's is.
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  • Reply 26 of 59
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    Chucker, not true. My friend's 17" iMac has its X1600 clocked at 300Mhz for core and memory. Most iMacs post core and memory speeds between 300Mhz and 400Mhz. The actual rated speed for the memory and GPU are 470Mhz each.
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  • Reply 27 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    For the regular, not for the mobility.
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  • Reply 28 of 59
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    No, the mobility is rated at 470Mhz Core and Memory.





    Look up your facts before posting please.
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  • Reply 29 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    Funny numbers you have there.
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  • Reply 30 of 59
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    Not funny, correct. 473Mhz Core and 468Mhz Memory (DDR3 means its 936Mhz effective).
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  • Reply 31 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    An MR X1600 is clocked at 445/350. It's nice that you know how DDR works, but even then, your RAM clock speed is just a little bit off.
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  • Reply 32 of 59
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    You reply with no argument, pull a figure out of thin air, then proclaim it to be correct. Asus has Mobility X1600s in their laptops clocked at 470Mhz/470Mhz and it is not overclocked. Look here, here, and here



    Last link:



    Quote:

    SpacetitoX clocked the graphics processor (GPU) at 310MHz, 35 percent slower then ATI's recommended 475MHz. He also clocked the MacBook's graphics RAM at 278MHz, 41 percent below the 470MHz par ATI tells system makers to use.



    As I said, get it right. Jeez.
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  • Reply 33 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    What do you think a "Mobility Radeon X1600" is, if not an "ATi made X1600 mobility"?



    Jeez indeed, just accept that the iMac's GPU is clocked like a typical MR, whereas the MBP's is clocked lower, and a desktop version (non-M) is clocked yet higher.
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  • Reply 34 of 59
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chucker


    What do you think a "Mobility Radeon X1600" is, if not an "ATi made X1600 mobility"?



    Jeez indeed, just accept that the iMac's GPU is clocked like a typical MR, whereas the MBP's is clocked lower, and a desktop version (non-M) is clocked yet higher.



    Wrong, read my above post.
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  • Reply 35 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    So tell me, where do you get the impression that Asus does not "overclock"?
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  • Reply 36 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chucker


    So tell me, where do you get the impression that Asus does not "overclock"?



    ATI doesn't allow OEMs to factory overclock.
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  • Reply 37 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    There is no such thing as "factory overclocking". As a nerd with too much time in your hands and too much money from your parents, you can overclock. As a company, you can clock higher or lower, but not "over"clock.
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  • Reply 38 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chucker


    There is no such thing as "factory overclocking". As a nerd with too much time in your hands and too much money from your parents, you can overclock. As a company, you can clock higher or lower, but not "over"clock.



    You can overclock. It means having the clocks over spec from what ATI tells you they are supposed to be. If ATI says you can make your graphics cards 650MHz, and you sell them for 20 dollars more and say that yours are faster because the core is 660MHz, then you're factory overclocking.
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  • Reply 39 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    That's as silly as the assertion that Apple shipped overclocked G4s back in the day.
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  • Reply 40 of 59
    slugheadslughead Posts: 1,169member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chucker


    So tell me, where do you get the impression that Asus does not "overclock"?



    I've been using Asus hardware for years and they've never overclocked.. if they started recently that'd just be weird.



    Asus is known for making hardware that lasts an incredibly long time. Apple uses Asus components in some of their hardware.



    I've nothing concrete to add, just thought I'd throw that out there.
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