It sounds like you want a Windows machine. If you're going to be gaming a lot and doing the rest a little bit, you'll not likely want to keep rebooting a computer.
Could you buy a Mac? Sure. We'd be cool with that and Apple would prefer you give them money. I'd say you should buy the 2.0Ghz Mac Pro with the rest standard -- or maybe an upgraded video card -- and be happy with that. If you never use the Mac OS then it's your loss, but the option to do so would be there.
Why do you say that? Doing Photoshop/web browsing/chatting is so much more of a pleasure in OS X even when gaming is available. Just doing homework/work/etc is going to be easier in OS X, and imho it's just a matter of time before somebody gets WINE working with GPU accelleration too.
NO you cannot use the HDs from your quicksilver in the Mac Pro. The Quicksilver uses paralell ATA drives and the Mac Pro uses SATA or serial ATA drives.
They do make little adapters that convert IDE/ATA plugs to SATA, but I can't say for certain if they will work/fit in the new Mac Pro's...
I'm going to say this again CONSOLE AND PC GAMING ARE NOT THE SAME. It's like putting sports in a single category. I'll say this thoug, if you came here to game, you came to the wrong platform. Apple makes computers for two types of peope: casual consumers and high end professionals. You could game with a Mac Pro, but it'd be a bit of overkll.
not the same???
you move about and you shoot... i had a zx81 that did that...
its not reality, its just a game.. tetris is still cool to play as is pac man... i had a watch that played pac man..
thye are still a waste of productive time no matter what you play them on
I noticed something, when you downgrade the hard drive from 250 to 160, it saves you $60. The cost of a NEW 250GB SATA HARD DRIVE ON NEWEGG is about $70.
I really do like the mac OS more than a windows machine. Are the MacPros liquid cooled? For some reason I thought the G5s were liquid cooled.
The highest end Power Mac G5s were liquid cooled - ie. anything from 2.5GHz and over. The Dual Proc G5 2.5, the Dual Proc G5 2.7 and the Dual Dual-core G5 2.5. All the other Power Mac G5s were fan cooled.
The Mac Pro is fan cooled only. No liquid cooling is needed as the Woodcrest CPUs run cooler.
I noticed something, when you downgrade the hard drive from 250 to 160, it saves you $60. The cost of a NEW 250GB SATA HARD DRIVE ON NEWEGG is about $70.
wtf
Evidently nobody is feeling the weight of this statement.
I'm feeling it - downgrade HDD, and order a 250 GB one on Newegg. I'll think about doing it (still work on parentals). But do those Newegg OEM drives need cables or something, or in the Mac Pro, are they just plug-and-go right out of the OEM box?
I doubt that it will, since the Mac Pro SATA drives plug directly into the motherboard in the caddy, without any cables. Add something in between, and the machine won't close up.
I'm feeling it - downgrade HDD, and order a 250 GB one on Newegg. I'll think about doing it (still work on parentals). But do those Newegg OEM drives need cables or something, or in the Mac Pro, are they just plug-and-go right out of the OEM box?
Yeah, drives in a Mac Pro are cableless, you just mount them in those little metal trays and slide them in and the two jacks that would be normally connected by a SATA cable are connected directly to each other.
I am a soon to be switcher. I do not need a laptop as I do not travel often. Which leaves me torn between the MacPro and iMac. Which would you guys get?
I mostly use the computer for surfing the web, chatting, some photoshop, and a lot of windows based games - so I would be running boot camp for games.
Also, if I got the iMac I'd get the 20" with the fastest processor. But if I got the MacPro I don't know which processor choice would even be right for me.
The help is appreciated.
Jeff
I think it depends a lot on what kind of games you're planning on playing.
I want to replace my old PowerBook and get back into gaming. I considered the iMac. But I like to play real fast first-person shooters like Unreal Tournament. I don't know exactly what an iMac display's refresh rate is (couldn't find it) but I'm pretty sure it's not fast. And the graphics card in an iMac will play most of today's games, but probably will struggle with new games a year from now. That's why I ordered a Mac Pro.
The video card was pretty much a no-brainer. The stock is no good for anything modern, and the Quadro is kinda ridiculous. So I got the Radeon. The processor was a tough choice though. I ordered the 2.0 GHz chips. It's ironic, though, because that kind of power is probably double what I'll ever need in Mac OS (not doing any super-heavy lifting, just surfing and crap). But it's a conceivable bottleneck when it comes to Windows games. That's because very few games utilize dual cores (or, for all I know, dual processors) and a single 2.0 GHz proc, while fast, probably doesn't exactly have power to spare when running modern games.
All in all, thought, I feel okay about it because 1) the graphics card is a beast, 2) some future games will take advantage of multiple cores, and 3) the processors are upgradeable (right?). Maybe a year from now I'll have to spend $400 or so on a couple of 3.0 GHz chips. I can live with that.
A lot of people are up in arms over people being concerned about playing games on the Mac Pro. I don't want two computers cluttering up my desk and my electrical outlets, I'm not willing to do everyday stuff in Windows, and I'm not willing to game in Mac OS. It's as simple as that.
Don't forget that each of those Mac Pro processors is faster than a Conroe (slightly, because of the FSB and superior RAM). A 2.0 GHz Xeon 5130 (??) is probably faster than a FX-60 (or at least near it in speed)
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i figured as such. how can i wipe these HD's so that i can sell sell them??
The other option is to get some inexpensive firewire/USB 2.0 external enclosures and use them for backing up purposes.
I have several of these setups that I only turn on when it's time to back up, and ten minutes later, I've got a cloned system.
Mac Pro Dual Dual-Core 3.0 with Radeon X1900XT! It should run UT2007 really well considering UT2007 will support SMP finally.
Or at least dual-core, I don't know how forward-thinking the Windows world has been beyond two cores.
But yeah, mine is gonna do pretty well with it!
It sounds like you want a Windows machine. If you're going to be gaming a lot and doing the rest a little bit, you'll not likely want to keep rebooting a computer.
Could you buy a Mac? Sure. We'd be cool with that and Apple would prefer you give them money. I'd say you should buy the 2.0Ghz Mac Pro with the rest standard -- or maybe an upgraded video card -- and be happy with that. If you never use the Mac OS then it's your loss, but the option to do so would be there.
Why do you say that? Doing Photoshop/web browsing/chatting is so much more of a pleasure in OS X even when gaming is available. Just doing homework/work/etc is going to be easier in OS X, and imho it's just a matter of time before somebody gets WINE working with GPU accelleration too.
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/...08153337.shtml
NO you cannot use the HDs from your quicksilver in the Mac Pro. The Quicksilver uses paralell ATA drives and the Mac Pro uses SATA or serial ATA drives.
They do make little adapters that convert IDE/ATA plugs to SATA, but I can't say for certain if they will work/fit in the new Mac Pro's...
One of which is http://www.cwol.com/serial-ata/seria...-converter.htm
I'm going to say this again CONSOLE AND PC GAMING ARE NOT THE SAME. It's like putting sports in a single category. I'll say this thoug, if you came here to game, you came to the wrong platform. Apple makes computers for two types of peope: casual consumers and high end professionals. You could game with a Mac Pro, but it'd be a bit of overkll.
not the same???
you move about and you shoot... i had a zx81 that did that...
its not reality, its just a game.. tetris is still cool to play as is pac man... i had a watch that played pac man..
thye are still a waste of productive time
Overkill is acceptable - underkill is not.
well then max out the mac pro four HDs is overkill for most*, so lets go for that then.
wtf
The other option is to get some inexpensive firewire/USB 2.0 external enclosures and use them for backing up purposes.
I have several of these setups that I only turn on when it's time to back up, and ten minutes later, I've got a cloned system.
i thought about that, i will do that, although i want something that looks cool
I really do like the mac OS more than a windows machine. Are the MacPros liquid cooled? For some reason I thought the G5s were liquid cooled.
The highest end Power Mac G5s were liquid cooled - ie. anything from 2.5GHz and over. The Dual Proc G5 2.5, the Dual Proc G5 2.7 and the Dual Dual-core G5 2.5. All the other Power Mac G5s were fan cooled.
The Mac Pro is fan cooled only. No liquid cooling is needed as the Woodcrest CPUs run cooler.
not the same???
you move about and you shoot... i had a zx81 that did that...
its not reality, its just a game.. tetris is still cool to play as is pac man... i had a watch that played pac man..
thye are still a waste of productive time
Yeah, and the Mac is no different froma windows PC. They kinda do the same thing right?
I noticed something, when you downgrade the hard drive from 250 to 160, it saves you $60. The cost of a NEW 250GB SATA HARD DRIVE ON NEWEGG is about $70.
wtf
Evidently nobody is feeling the weight of this statement.
If budget is your #1 concern and you don't mind non-upgradeable LCD or GPU, etc... go iMac.
They do make little adapters that convert IDE/ATA plugs to SATA, but I can't say for certain if they will work/fit in the new Mac Pro's...
One of which is http://www.cwol.com/serial-ata/seria...-converter.htm
this looks interesting. i wonder if it willl work
David
I'm feeling it - downgrade HDD, and order a 250 GB one on Newegg. I'll think about doing it (still work on parentals). But do those Newegg OEM drives need cables or something, or in the Mac Pro, are they just plug-and-go right out of the OEM box?
Yeah, drives in a Mac Pro are cableless, you just mount them in those little metal trays and slide them in and the two jacks that would be normally connected by a SATA cable are connected directly to each other.
Hey all -
I am a soon to be switcher. I do not need a laptop as I do not travel often. Which leaves me torn between the MacPro and iMac. Which would you guys get?
I mostly use the computer for surfing the web, chatting, some photoshop, and a lot of windows based games - so I would be running boot camp for games.
Also, if I got the iMac I'd get the 20" with the fastest processor. But if I got the MacPro I don't know which processor choice would even be right for me.
The help is appreciated.
Jeff
I think it depends a lot on what kind of games you're planning on playing.
I want to replace my old PowerBook and get back into gaming. I considered the iMac. But I like to play real fast first-person shooters like Unreal Tournament. I don't know exactly what an iMac display's refresh rate is (couldn't find it) but I'm pretty sure it's not fast. And the graphics card in an iMac will play most of today's games, but probably will struggle with new games a year from now. That's why I ordered a Mac Pro.
The video card was pretty much a no-brainer. The stock is no good for anything modern, and the Quadro is kinda ridiculous. So I got the Radeon. The processor was a tough choice though. I ordered the 2.0 GHz chips. It's ironic, though, because that kind of power is probably double what I'll ever need in Mac OS (not doing any super-heavy lifting, just surfing and crap). But it's a conceivable bottleneck when it comes to Windows games. That's because very few games utilize dual cores (or, for all I know, dual processors) and a single 2.0 GHz proc, while fast, probably doesn't exactly have power to spare when running modern games.
All in all, thought, I feel okay about it because 1) the graphics card is a beast, 2) some future games will take advantage of multiple cores, and 3) the processors are upgradeable (right?). Maybe a year from now I'll have to spend $400 or so on a couple of 3.0 GHz chips. I can live with that.
A lot of people are up in arms over people being concerned about playing games on the Mac Pro. I don't want two computers cluttering up my desk and my electrical outlets, I'm not willing to do everyday stuff in Windows, and I'm not willing to game in Mac OS. It's as simple as that.