It says COMBO drive standard. On an entertainment model, no less. So much for your DVD burner standard on $499 or less BS.
Buddy it on those models it costs AN EXTRA TWENTY-FUCKING-SEVEN DOLLARS.
You must have raw fishscale hooked into your blood if you think what how apple is doing this is fair, they're not saving you any money.
The model you listed is 939 adding the dvd burner brings it to a grand total of........966! omfg thanks apple for not giving me a burner, I saved a shitload of money.
I'm an apple fan too but now your just being stupid.
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Originally Posted by Leonard
Not everyone needs a superdrive drive. I have a Power Mac and a iBook at home, why do I need 2 superdrives? I gladly picked the one without the Superdrive. If you want a Superdrive, get the model with it.
Why the hell would you "gladly" choose one without a superdrive, the point of this arguement isn't to charge you 200 more when you're buying a notebook it's that you should have gotten the one with a superdrive for the same price.
You're telling me if you bought the same notebook and it HAD a superdrive for the same price you would demand it be taken off because you don't need it?
You're just being an idiot.
Something like a lack of superdrive isn't detrimental to the people who don't need it but IS to the people who do. The people who do ARE majority.
Unless you expect everyone should own two machines.
Hey next they can take off the airport and make that a $50 option and you'll be like:
"well wtf I use the internet on my desktop anyways, the notebook is just for writing novels."
You're from my country and you believe $1249 is fair for a notebook with no burner? You're insane.
First of all, you obviously need to look up the meaning of the word "standard" in this context. Because if you have to add it it is not standard. Secondly, have you thought that maybe Dell is overcharging everyone who doesn't add on the Superdrive rather than assuming that Apple is overcharging people who do add Superdrives? Have you looked up retail costs for these superdrives uninstalled?
Sure, I'd like all kinds of things for free, too. But I don't go around complaining about it and calling others "idiots" because that don't have ridiculous expectations...
Secondly, have you thought that maybe Dell is overcharging everyone who doesn't add on the Superdrive rather than assuming that Apple is overcharging people who do add Superdrives?
Aw come on man don't get me banned again with such sensesless posts.
What do you mean add superdrive? The only computer you can add a superdrive to is the core solo mac mini.
You're seriously going to sit there and tell me that dell is overcharging people when it's a 27 dollar option and that apple is being fair because the 1099 macbook doesn't have the option at any price?
What is so hard to understand and why is it so much to ask? You people are nuts in your loyalty to apple(and I'm friggin loyalist, look at my other posts!).
Let's break it down.
I would like a 1.83ghz macbook, I have no need for anything more.
The drawback?
I (like pretty much everyone) need a superdrive(and I hate that name for it btw).
Is it an option when I configure the computer?
NO
Should it be included anyways?
At that price.....YES
Would I willing to settle on paying extra for it as an option?
yes, Yes YES.
Adding one to the mac mini core solo adds $50 to the price.
BS on a laptop that expensive but fine I will pay for it as an option.
CLICK!
Oh wait....I can't!
I have to spend $200 more(not including the extra tax I'll have to pay) to get the model up from that to have an option that is either free or extremely cheap from every other manufacturer out there.
And you're going to argue that that's fair?
I know why apple does it from a business standpoint - more money in their pockets.
But why a consumer would ever sit and argue why a companies greediness is fair is beyond me.
A superdrive macbook should cost STARTING $1150 not $1300, no where is $150 dollars the cost of a dvd burner, even you can't argue that. (but oh wait I get an extra 170mhz per core that I don't need - sweet!)
PS: To answer your question. No I do not think dell is overcharging it's customers for a $939 machine because it has no dvd burner(which in fact it can for $27).
I see no point in your arguing whether it is "fair" or not. There isn't any concept of "fair" in retail sales unless fraud is involved, which isn't the case here.
Apple sets the lineup and the prices, and people buy or they don't buy.
If you really want a DVD-R in the entry-level Macbook, buy one and install it. Apple marketing has chosen to use the DVD-R as a sell-up feature, and that's just how it is.
using the fact that cheap computers have DVD burners as the foundation for Apple making it a standard completely ignores Apple's entirely appropriate unwillingness to play the computer game with paper thin margins.
PC manufacturers sell their low end models for stupidly low prices. why? they make up for it by overcharging on the high end. I guess it works for them, but now Apple is stepping in to the high end market and coming in way under the price points of PC manufacters with the Mac Pro.
So who is smarter? the guy who's high end machine sales and corporate financial health are now in serious danger of having their legs cut out from under them, or the company that maintains strict rules for profit margins across the board and now saves you large sums money on what you traditionally looked at as the really expensive stuff?
Aw come on man don't get me banned again with such sensesless posts.
I would like a 1.83ghz macbook, I have no need for anything more.
The drawback?
I (like pretty much everyone) need a superdrive(and I hate that name for it btw).
Is it an option when I configure the computer?
NO
...blah blah blah...
You sure make a lot of noise over nothing. So Apple doesn't allow you to build exactly the machine you want. Well you know what? I can't get a macbook in light sage straight from Apple either! Does that mean I can bitch and moan as much as you do?
If you were as much a Mac fanatic as you profess you are, you'd realize that Apple isn't and won't be like other manufacturers (i.e. Dell). It's not even like Dell/HP/Gateway does or ever did have that many customization options anyway.
Of course, "blessed" Apple hardware isn't as easy to find as other whitebox PC parts, so you might have to do a little legwork to really build a machine exactly to your specifications.
You want a DVD burner? Either pony up the extra cash for the 2.0GHz macbook, or track down a compatible DVD burner yourself.
Listen I know why apple does it, you know why apple does it.
But that doesn't make it right.
You guys are honestly, HONESTLY going to claim that holding something a little as a burner hostage is the right thing to do when left and right everyone with a non-apple computer looks down on apple for that EXACT reason?
All you guys are doing is proving why marketshare will never pass a certain level.
The macbook drops you all cheer at the entry level one meanwhile everyone on engadget and everyother non mac centric site laugh that at that price you can't even get a burner OPTION. But yet you all cling onto the teat that is Steve Jobs.
Maybe they were onto something.
It's retarded attitudes like this that make me ashamed of being a mac user because of this so-called "cult of mac."
hey i'm not saying i love the idea, but as a stock holder and someone who has owned his own business i know that cutting your own throat to appease customers is not a good idea.
sure a burner is moderately more expensive. so are a bunch of the little things that people want. add them up and it's a lot of added cost. Apple has a policy on profit margins and they are going to stick to them. and they profit more on higher end models. so they want you to upgrade? big f'ing deal. What company doesn't?
So who is smarter? the guy who's high end machine sales and corporate financial health are now in serious danger of having their legs cut out from under them, or the company that maintains strict rules for profit margins across the board and now saves you large sums money on what you traditionally looked at as the really expensive stuff?
That really doesn't matter when all your volume business is from the lower end anyway.
With that logic no macbook should have a superdrive, only the macbook pro.
You go where the business is, but your pretending like apple isn't doing that.
Mac Mini?
Check.
Lower cost ipod models?
Check.
Unifying the 12" pb and the ibook line into one lower consumer bracket.
Check, check, check.
All apple has been doing for the past like 2-3 years is serving more and more low end and now they're sales are better because of it.
Once again, you personally think it's best for the consumer to not even have the option of a burner at that price?
Then why does the mini have it?
Oh wait I can imagine the reasoning from everybody if it didn't:
"People spending that little on a computer won't need to burn a dvd" - or some crap like that everyone would claim.
But a mod who should know apple and the market and what sells and stuff is joining on the:
"Lets not even offer it as an option, lets expect an extra $200, and if they don't pony it up we don't need the sale."
Wow man, wow.
I'm not asking for anything else, or for them to go crazy and add a ton of stuff that unrealistic like some people want but for 1099usd = 1249cad I should at least be able to add a burner for a fee.
Look, Apple is doing well. I'm not quite sure how DVDgate signifies anything dire. They're doing better than ever before. When they decide it makes sense to throw superdrives in across the board, they will. Until then, upgrade. I just don't see it as big an ethical dilemma as you seem to.
Should they start throwing in free flat panels with mac minis since Dell gives you the free upgrades? I mean, what kind of of company sells computers with no screens!?!?!?!
It does not matter what PC people on another forum say that Apple "should" do. If they had their way, they'd order from NewEgg and install a pirated Mac OS X on there, so Apple wisely ignores their wailing.
If you want the entry-level MacBook with a DVD-R, then Apple doesn't have a product for you. Burger King doesn't sell egg salad sandwiches either.
This is the last post I'm gonna make about this because for some reason expecting a superdrive or at least the add on for a fee is akin to asking for free monitors etc, but whatever.
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Originally Posted by rageous
When they decide it makes sense to throw superdrives in across the board, they will. Until then, upgrade. I just don't see it as big an ethical dilemma as you seem to.
Upgrade? You call buying the model up an upgrade?
Last time I checked upgrade means either:
1. Adding extra options upon purchase (can't do that with a superdrive)
2. Being able to add something after the fact (find me an internal burner for the macbook and a company that will install it and I will buy it)
The entire point of this arguement is the fact that "just buy the more expensive one", plus the lack of upgrade options is pretty unfair to consumers when everyone else is, but you'll never learn.
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Originally Posted by Leonard
Man, if he's this pissed about the superdrive being extra, wait till he finds out how much extra it costs to have it in black!
Being black isn't a usability feature, it's just a style choice so they can charge what they want imo. And people DID find a problem with it anyways.
1. Adding extra options upon purchase (can't do that with a superdrive)
2. Being able to add something after the fact (find me an internal burner for the macbook and a company that will install it and I will buy it)
thanks for the schooling. splitting hairs your major or minor?
Quote:
The entire point of this arguement is the fact that "just buy the more expensive one", plus the lack of upgrade options is pretty unfair to consumers when everyone else is, but you'll never learn.
Who's having trouble learning here? Apple does things a different way, and not every way is PERCEIVED as fair to the consumer. Maybe they're evil for not selling higher spec'ed models at cutthroat rates. I'm not going to hold it against them. It's how they choose to do business. And I choose to support it. If you don't like it, you certainly aren't obligated to buy a Mac.
I swear it's like you think the powers that be at Apple haven't given any thought to this idea. They are smart people. If they aren't catering to some segment of consumers or at your pre-approved price points, I'll bet they have a pile of data to justify their decision. They aren't simply picking on poor lil you.
Maybe they're evil for not selling higher spec'ed models at cutthroat rates.
Yeah because 1099 for a 1.83ghz macbook with the option for a superdrive for 50 bucks is cutthroat.
If apple did that they'd have to close up shop from all the money they'd loose.
But like I said whatever, you fail to see a difference between this arguement and the other ones where people asking for unrealistic things or machines that don't exist.
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Where's the standard DVD drive on this model? http://www.dell.com/content/products...=19&l=en&s=dhs
It says COMBO drive standard. On an entertainment model, no less. So much for your DVD burner standard on $499 or less BS.
Buddy it on those models it costs AN EXTRA TWENTY-FUCKING-SEVEN DOLLARS.
You must have raw fishscale hooked into your blood if you think what how apple is doing this is fair, they're not saving you any money.
The model you listed is 939 adding the dvd burner brings it to a grand total of........966! omfg thanks apple for not giving me a burner, I saved a shitload of money.
I'm an apple fan too but now your just being stupid.
Not everyone needs a superdrive drive. I have a Power Mac and a iBook at home, why do I need 2 superdrives? I gladly picked the one without the Superdrive. If you want a Superdrive, get the model with it.
Why the hell would you "gladly" choose one without a superdrive, the point of this arguement isn't to charge you 200 more when you're buying a notebook it's that you should have gotten the one with a superdrive for the same price.
You're telling me if you bought the same notebook and it HAD a superdrive for the same price you would demand it be taken off because you don't need it?
You're just being an idiot.
Something like a lack of superdrive isn't detrimental to the people who don't need it but IS to the people who do. The people who do ARE majority.
Unless you expect everyone should own two machines.
Hey next they can take off the airport and make that a $50 option and you'll be like:
"well wtf I use the internet on my desktop anyways, the notebook is just for writing novels."
You're from my country and you believe $1249 is fair for a notebook with no burner? You're insane.
Sure, I'd like all kinds of things for free, too. But I don't go around complaining about it and calling others "idiots" because that don't have ridiculous expectations...
Secondly, have you thought that maybe Dell is overcharging everyone who doesn't add on the Superdrive rather than assuming that Apple is overcharging people who do add Superdrives?
Aw come on man don't get me banned again with such sensesless posts.
What do you mean add superdrive? The only computer you can add a superdrive to is the core solo mac mini.
You're seriously going to sit there and tell me that dell is overcharging people when it's a 27 dollar option and that apple is being fair because the 1099 macbook doesn't have the option at any price?
What is so hard to understand and why is it so much to ask? You people are nuts in your loyalty to apple(and I'm friggin loyalist, look at my other posts!).
Let's break it down.
I would like a 1.83ghz macbook, I have no need for anything more.
The drawback?
I (like pretty much everyone) need a superdrive(and I hate that name for it btw).
Is it an option when I configure the computer?
NO
Should it be included anyways?
At that price.....YES
Would I willing to settle on paying extra for it as an option?
yes, Yes YES.
Adding one to the mac mini core solo adds $50 to the price.
BS on a laptop that expensive but fine I will pay for it as an option.
CLICK!
Oh wait....I can't!
I have to spend $200 more(not including the extra tax I'll have to pay) to get the model up from that to have an option that is either free or extremely cheap from every other manufacturer out there.
And you're going to argue that that's fair?
I know why apple does it from a business standpoint - more money in their pockets.
But why a consumer would ever sit and argue why a companies greediness is fair is beyond me.
A superdrive macbook should cost STARTING $1150 not $1300, no where is $150 dollars the cost of a dvd burner, even you can't argue that. (but oh wait I get an extra 170mhz per core that I don't need - sweet!)
PS: To answer your question. No I do not think dell is overcharging it's customers for a $939 machine because it has no dvd burner(which in fact it can for $27).
I see no point in your arguing whether it is "fair" or not. There isn't any concept of "fair" in retail sales unless fraud is involved, which isn't the case here.
Apple sets the lineup and the prices, and people buy or they don't buy.
If you really want a DVD-R in the entry-level Macbook, buy one and install it. Apple marketing has chosen to use the DVD-R as a sell-up feature, and that's just how it is.
PC manufacturers sell their low end models for stupidly low prices. why? they make up for it by overcharging on the high end. I guess it works for them, but now Apple is stepping in to the high end market and coming in way under the price points of PC manufacters with the Mac Pro.
So who is smarter? the guy who's high end machine sales and corporate financial health are now in serious danger of having their legs cut out from under them, or the company that maintains strict rules for profit margins across the board and now saves you large sums money on what you traditionally looked at as the really expensive stuff?
Aw come on man don't get me banned again with such sensesless posts.
I would like a 1.83ghz macbook, I have no need for anything more.
The drawback?
I (like pretty much everyone) need a superdrive(and I hate that name for it btw).
Is it an option when I configure the computer?
NO
...blah blah blah...
You sure make a lot of noise over nothing. So Apple doesn't allow you to build exactly the machine you want. Well you know what? I can't get a macbook in light sage straight from Apple either! Does that mean I can bitch and moan as much as you do?
If you were as much a Mac fanatic as you profess you are, you'd realize that Apple isn't and won't be like other manufacturers (i.e. Dell). It's not even like Dell/HP/Gateway does or ever did have that many customization options anyway.
Of course, "blessed" Apple hardware isn't as easy to find as other whitebox PC parts, so you might have to do a little legwork to really build a machine exactly to your specifications.
You want a DVD burner? Either pony up the extra cash for the 2.0GHz macbook, or track down a compatible DVD burner yourself.
Listen I know why apple does it, you know why apple does it.
But that doesn't make it right.
You guys are honestly, HONESTLY going to claim that holding something a little as a burner hostage is the right thing to do when left and right everyone with a non-apple computer looks down on apple for that EXACT reason?
All you guys are doing is proving why marketshare will never pass a certain level.
The macbook drops you all cheer at the entry level one meanwhile everyone on engadget and everyother non mac centric site laugh that at that price you can't even get a burner OPTION. But yet you all cling onto the teat that is Steve Jobs.
Maybe they were onto something.
It's retarded attitudes like this that make me ashamed of being a mac user because of this so-called "cult of mac."
sure a burner is moderately more expensive. so are a bunch of the little things that people want. add them up and it's a lot of added cost. Apple has a policy on profit margins and they are going to stick to them. and they profit more on higher end models. so they want you to upgrade? big f'ing deal. What company doesn't?
So who is smarter? the guy who's high end machine sales and corporate financial health are now in serious danger of having their legs cut out from under them, or the company that maintains strict rules for profit margins across the board and now saves you large sums money on what you traditionally looked at as the really expensive stuff?
That really doesn't matter when all your volume business is from the lower end anyway.
With that logic no macbook should have a superdrive, only the macbook pro.
You go where the business is, but your pretending like apple isn't doing that.
Mac Mini?
Check.
Lower cost ipod models?
Check.
Unifying the 12" pb and the ibook line into one lower consumer bracket.
Check, check, check.
All apple has been doing for the past like 2-3 years is serving more and more low end and now they're sales are better because of it.
Once again, you personally think it's best for the consumer to not even have the option of a burner at that price?
Then why does the mini have it?
Oh wait I can imagine the reasoning from everybody if it didn't:
"People spending that little on a computer won't need to burn a dvd" - or some crap like that everyone would claim.
But a mod who should know apple and the market and what sells and stuff is joining on the:
"Lets not even offer it as an option, lets expect an extra $200, and if they don't pony it up we don't need the sale."
Wow man, wow.
I'm not asking for anything else, or for them to go crazy and add a ton of stuff that unrealistic like some people want but for 1099usd = 1249cad I should at least be able to add a burner for a fee.
edit: Sorry didn't see you responded.
It burns.
?
What?
Should they start throwing in free flat panels with mac minis since Dell gives you the free upgrades? I mean, what kind of of company sells computers with no screens!?!?!?!
If you want the entry-level MacBook with a DVD-R, then Apple doesn't have a product for you. Burger King doesn't sell egg salad sandwiches either.
The difference in price on a Superdrive is like...3 dollars.
Well, that's how much it costs Apple.. It costs the consumer $200 more (if they place no value on the better proc of the mid-range model).
When they decide it makes sense to throw superdrives in across the board, they will. Until then, upgrade. I just don't see it as big an ethical dilemma as you seem to.
Upgrade? You call buying the model up an upgrade?
Last time I checked upgrade means either:
1. Adding extra options upon purchase (can't do that with a superdrive)
2. Being able to add something after the fact (find me an internal burner for the macbook and a company that will install it and I will buy it)
The entire point of this arguement is the fact that "just buy the more expensive one", plus the lack of upgrade options is pretty unfair to consumers when everyone else is, but you'll never learn.
Man, if he's this pissed about the superdrive being extra, wait till he finds out how much extra it costs to have it in black!
Being black isn't a usability feature, it's just a style choice so they can charge what they want imo. And people DID find a problem with it anyways.
Upgrade? You call buying the model up an upgrade?
Last time I checked upgrade means either:
1. Adding extra options upon purchase (can't do that with a superdrive)
2. Being able to add something after the fact (find me an internal burner for the macbook and a company that will install it and I will buy it)
thanks for the schooling. splitting hairs your major or minor?
The entire point of this arguement is the fact that "just buy the more expensive one", plus the lack of upgrade options is pretty unfair to consumers when everyone else is, but you'll never learn.
Who's having trouble learning here? Apple does things a different way, and not every way is PERCEIVED as fair to the consumer. Maybe they're evil for not selling higher spec'ed models at cutthroat rates. I'm not going to hold it against them. It's how they choose to do business. And I choose to support it. If you don't like it, you certainly aren't obligated to buy a Mac.
I swear it's like you think the powers that be at Apple haven't given any thought to this idea. They are smart people. If they aren't catering to some segment of consumers or at your pre-approved price points, I'll bet they have a pile of data to justify their decision. They aren't simply picking on poor lil you.
Yep, that's why... because you're most of the people in the world... oh wait, you're just one person. Shit.
you could equally apply that mind set to the original poster... so are you gonna call them shit as well?
Maybe they're evil for not selling higher spec'ed models at cutthroat rates.
Yeah because 1099 for a 1.83ghz macbook with the option for a superdrive for 50 bucks is cutthroat.
If apple did that they'd have to close up shop from all the money they'd loose.
But like I said whatever, you fail to see a difference between this arguement and the other ones where people asking for unrealistic things or machines that don't exist.
I'm done.